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Dell sells rival Apple's iPods

Ian Fried, Staff Writer, CNET News.com, News.com
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In a case of strange bedfellows, Dell Computer has started selling Apple Computer's iPod portable music player, CNET News.com has learned.


Dell Computer will carry just the Windows versions of the iPod, with some models currently available for order by phone from Dell. Web sales of the digital music player are expected to start shortly.

"Yep, Dell is reselling iPods," Apple said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "We are delighted to offer our 5GB, 10GB and 20GB iPods for Windows through Dell's direct retail channel. iPod has been a big success to date, and we would like to make it even bigger."

Apparently the draw of Dell's online store for Apple and the lure of the iPod for Dell were enough to convince the bitter rivals to set aside their differences. The two companies compete especially hard in the education market, where Dell has moved ahead of the Mac maker to become the largest seller of computer gear to schools.

iPod on Target
Separately, Apple on Wednesday confirmed plans to start selling the iPod at all 1,100-plus Target stores beginning this week, in a move aimed at broadening distribution of the digital music player.

As previously reported, Target will be selling both Mac and Windows versions of the iPod, with all stores stocking 10GB versions of both Mac and Windows.

"We're thrilled that Target will significantly expand the availability of Apple's award-winning iPod to even more customers," Tim Cook, an Apple executive vice president, said in a statement. Apple plans to place a working iPod on display in every Target store.

Analysts say strong sales of the iPod could help Apple beat its financial goals for the current quarter, despite the sluggish economy.

"It could sort of save the December quarter, given the sorry state of home PC sales," Needham analyst Charles Wolf said last week. Adding a retailer like Target is key to reaching more potential buyers, Wolf said.

Wolf estimated that Apple might be able to sell as many as half a million of the devices this quarter, assuming that the company can grab about 15 percent of the world market for portable music players and that sales reach the 4 million units that some market researchers are projecting.

In September, Apple said that electronics retailer Best Buy would carry the iPod.
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funny, first thing i said to a colleague was:

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What next? Apple sells pocketPCs?
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Whats next, Walmart selling the iPod at 299?

Maybe Apple will become a company that only produces the iPod and other digital lifestyle devices.
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Merciful Heavens!

It's like Microsoft selling Oracle software!!!

"Dude, you're getting.. an iPod! ...but you're fired!"

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Dell is not stupid. They know a good and saleable product when they see it. Apple management must be walking on air, what with Target also coming on board.

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Wasn't there a market analysis that came out just after the PC iPod debut that Apple might gross a billion (US) dollars from it?

I'm starting to take that seriously...

[Addendum]
From <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2002/tc20020827_9548.htm" target="_blank">Business Week Online</a>:
[quote] Tech-data tracker IDC has forecast 2003 sales of 25 million portable digital-music players with total revenues of $5 billion. Charles Wolf, an analyst at Needham & Co., predicts that Apple could capture as much as 20% of that market, especially if the iPod becomes a must-have Christmas item in the absence of other cool tech toys. (Wolf owns Apple stock, and Needham makes a market in Apple shares.) That would translate into $1 billion in annual revenues and $130 million in profits.<hr></blockquote>

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Sometimes, profits win over pride. Even Jobs's.
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This will Defiantely help put some $$ in Apple's pocket.

Now watch AAPL go up to like $17.50-18.00


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Thank god good sense prevails now and again! Apple obviously has trouble selling competitive computers and they need every revenue stream they can get. So why not iPods? Perfect. And yes, if Apple's market-share continues to shrink, they're going to have to dream up more competitive digital lifestyle products to keep revenues up. Eventually, if they wanna keep on being a computer company, they're going to have to compete on price, just no way around that. They'll need other revenue streams if they wan to do that, so bring on the consumer electronics.

Look at Sony kicking ass in the PDA space with over 10% of the market! And they aren't the most affordable do-dads either, but they sell. I think it's time for Apple to make a PDA. Yes, they're rather pointless, but people like to buy them, so why not sell some. And for heavens sake, a digital Camera please. It's time, the market is growing all the time, plenty of room for everyone, and lots of people willing to pay to upgrade.
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Actually, Apple has gained some market share. Go here:

<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0207/03.marketshare.php" target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0207/03.marketshare.php</a>
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Thanks for locking my duplicate thread, Brad. Sorry 'bout that.

Yeah, it means 2 things to me: 1. it's really popular and they want to milk it for all it's worth, and 2. this might be some kind of grand experiment into making more of these accessories and getting away a bit from the Mac/"we sell the whole widget" philosophy. It just makes me curious about what else they're thinking about, because they probably don't want to make the iPod a one hit wonder with the kind of success they're having with it.
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[quote]Originally posted by jesperas:
<strong>Sometimes, profits win over pride. Even Jobs's.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually I'd say it's Dell's pride. Apple isn't selling Dell's products. Its like Apple is saying, look how good our product is, even Dell wants to sell it.

So I'm sure Jobs feels pretty good about that.
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Well, I about spit Cherrios on my Powerbook! This is could offer a great opportunity to get Steven as a Switcher!
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Michael Dell may not be as smart as he contends. Since he predicted Apple would be out of business soon, why not wait and buy iPods at sell-out prices?
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Or why not sell a few now, and have a cheaper knock-off ready to go next season?

Dell is plenty smart, what he has, he scratched and clawed for. Jobs, OTOH, is extremely lucky to have found himself in the right place at the right time, the rest of his career has been basically to trade on his own, ill deserved, reputation as a luminary.

Apple is not nearly as healthy as their bank account suggests.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Or why not sell a few now, and have a cheaper knock-off ready to go next season?

Dell is plenty smart, what he has, he scratched and clawed for. Jobs, OTOH, is extremely lucky to have found himself in the right place at the right time, the rest of his career has been basically to trade on his own, ill deserved, reputation as a luminary.

Apple is not nearly as healthy as their bank account suggests.</strong><hr></blockquote>


if I didn't know better I would think that you were a bot and the above was your automated response to everything
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It's kinda funny, people complain about how apple computers are too expensive although better, but yet they are willing to pay for a better expensive mp3 player

Apple's christmas season looks pretty good this year, best buy, target, and now dell

how well do you think apple stock will do?

apple has done it again though...iMac was a giant success, and I think the iPod was just as big or bigger respectivly scaled from a computer market to digital device. do you think apple could do this again with another digital device?
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Doesn't hurt to repeat the truth, Applenut.
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Matsu, indeed you are one of the "Sky is falling" crowd. Tell me what other company in the Tech sector has no long-term debt and over 4 billion in the bank and still spends a large percentage of their money on R&D?

Your insights into Apple are as screwy as that guy that said the company would go to Intel processors next year.
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matsu's signature should be "PCs: slumping prices, boring specs. I'm chicken little and all my friends like cheap computers so you should too, besides I feel like Apple harassed me. <a href="http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/articles/chik1000.htm" target="_blank">chicken killer</a>"

I remember when the iPod came out there were a bunch of surverys on how well Mac users, in general, thought it would do. Half of the people thought it would fail. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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A couple of things flashed through my mind:

Thin svelte dark haired man in suit slowly walks toward screen and says,"Mike Dell has succombed to the allure of the ipod, yes, impossible you say, well only possible when traversing the inner roads of the Twilight Zone"

Or

Screen fades to a dot and then a sine wave appears and a bold loud voice announces" we have taken "control of your screen"
-from the Outer Limits.

unbelievable-the world has some how become inverted.

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Hardly,

Apple diversifying is a good sign. They need to get those obscene board fattening profits from somewhere (heaven know the shareholder never gets to see them). They, by now, must have realized that ALL computer makers MUST compete on price, a situation only exacerbated by the evolution of computers. Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.

So they start making select consumer electronics, offering services and back-end solutions and eBusiness services, and agressive licensing contracts. Put that 4 Billion to work on something, it hasn't grown in 3+ years, better do something with it or eventually it'll only be good enough to ease the sting of liquidation.
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[quote]Doesn't hurt to repeat the truth, Applenut.<hr></blockquote>

You are a retard.

[quote]And for heavens sake, a digital Camera please. It's time, the market is growing all the time, plenty of room for everyone, and lots of people willing to pay to upgrade.<hr></blockquote>

Because you're a facking expert on digital cameras, aren't you?

Give it up, Matsu. You're a fraud.
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Never denied it. hehehe, In fact, I'm pretty sure I exclaimed it a few times!

Psst, anything I you just quoted there wrong? I think not. You act like you're holding stock in Foveon or something.

You're a very angry boy, I think you must be a self-hating Asian. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Just to stray even further off-topic...

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldn't be more wrong. The more powerful machines become, the more we will push them to their failing point. Unless of course, you can't imagine what could be done with that power. We're getting brand spankin' new machines (finally!) that are over twice as fast as our current ones at the end of this year, and I have a bet with a co-worker that I will crash this machine and have rendering times back up to 8 hours by February.
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I only get angry at retarded quacks.
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Might take a bit more than a decade, but once you can render true photo-realism in real time, you won't need your work machines to do much more than that. And the closer you get, the more people lose their need to upgrade. First 2-d artists, then video pros, then 3-d pros. I have two PC's here. One is nearly 6 years old and it chugs right along fine through Office and internet tasks. You just CAN'T sell me an expensive machine for Office and communications anymore cause even a bargain basement PC pulls it off swimmingly. Now we have PC's that do the work only multi-thousand dollar editing studios could do 10-12 years before. Right now Apple is eating at high end business from underneath (or is trying to) 10-12 years from now?

There'll always be a pressing need for faster machines, but the pool of people who needs them will get smaller as time passes and technology advances. Moreover, the pool of people willing to pay for them shrinks when budget solutions start getting good enough.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>I object to ebing called a quack. Retarded? Well genetics are hard to overcome, but no one in my family ever mated with a duck, we think <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Might take a bit more than a decade, but once you can render true photo-realism in real time, you won't need your work machines to do much more than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You think replicating reality is the point of all this 3D technology? Like I said, those without the imagination to push the technology won't be the ones to do it.

[very silly spelling tonight]

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I think once a computer can do the vast majority of what's requested from it instantaneously, or nearly so, then most people's, even most artists' demands will be satisfied. But there will be some who crave more (and who will find ways to put it to use)

Simulation and extreme levels of precision come to mind.
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[quote]Originally posted by rok:
<strong>funny, first thing i said to a colleague was:

"Hell has officially frozen over."</strong><hr></blockquote>

My version was, DELL has frozen over
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Oy people, I hope this is not another MS+PC vs. Apple thread. You people never seemed to get tired of this sh1t.

If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.

Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.

Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by PowerPC:
<strong>This will Defiantely help (...)</strong><hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by klinux:
<strong>Oy people, I hope this is not another MS+PC vs. Apple thread. You people never seemed to get tired of this sh1t.

If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.

Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.

Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

You seem to be missing the backstory to this. It's not Wintel vs. Apple, it's simply "wow, Dell is selling Apple's products." Sure, HP and Dell may be competitors, but in the end, they're box makers trying to push boxes out.

There differences Dell and Apple had to set aside here were more than market share disparities, they were historical and philosophical. Dell makes its money by peddling cheap black boxes to the masses. That rubs Apple the wrong way. Apple makes money by focusing on aesthetic appeal and creating a user-oriented computing environment. That rubs Dell the wrong way. Dell called for Apple to be dissolved and its shareholders compensated. Apple called Dell the Wal-Mart of the PC industry.

Ok, so the sky isn't falling, but the relationship is still noteworthy.
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[quote]Originally posted by klinux:
<strong>Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not exactly. Relationships between companies do play a big role. Think of what happened between Dell and HP recently?

&lt;Dell&gt; We want you to partner with us an make our OEM printers.
&lt;HP&gt; Um, what's in it for us?
&lt;Dell&gt; ...
&lt;HP&gt; ...
&lt;Dell&gt; Fine, we'll go with Lexmark instead!
&lt;HP&gt; F--- YOU!
&lt;Dell&gt; ...

Now Dell still has HP printers on its site, but they are supplied by distributors. They also don't feature prominently on the website.

Dell selling iPods is quite surprising.

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Well I found them on Dell's web site. It took awhile to find them but I finally did in the MP3 player section. They seem to only be selling the 10 and 20 GB versions.
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[quote]Originally posted by imacFP:
<strong>Well I found them on Dell's web site. It took awhile to find them but I finally did in the MP3 player section. They seem to only be selling the 10 and 20 GB versions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The 5 GB model should be listed eventually. It's probably just a clerical error. All 3 PC iPods are listed in the Small Business section.
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post #40 of 40
[quote]Originally posted by jesperas:
<strong>Sometimes, profits win over pride. Even Jobs's.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or Mr. Dell's.
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