Everyone happy about iApp bundle?

I think it's fine. I do have a SuperDrive so I will get the whole bundle. I'm pretty pleased.

Interesting. Certainly a good scenario from my point of view. Apple seems to be making an effort to place their software products onto store shelves, if only for appearance's sake. The only thing you have to pay for is the iDVD upgrade, something that probably isn't worthwhile to up/download. To me, this with .Mac and their other announced software points more to a retail box strategy (for mindshare and shelf space) than charging to Mac users.

I think its a pretty nice deal, but not worth it for me...I don't have a superdrive, so iDVD and all this integration in all the iApps is worthless to me....When they release new, kick-ass versions of the software, THEN I'll think about forking over the $50...

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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Well, iMovie3 will be free, iTunes is free and iPhoto2 will be free. So you have no need to wait for anything and you will never need to spend the $50.

Happy now? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, I didn't even realize that....I thought Apple was gonna charge for them anyway...Thanks for the info...

My iChat icon just changed to a happy Mac

I'm pleased, BUT I would like to know if...

1. Can you use external burners with iDVD 3 or will it at least let you prep a DVD without a burner installed.

2. Is iLife bundled with new macs?

3. Did they remove some of the old themes or just added new ones?

I was distracted during the keynote with work so forgive me if Steve addressed these questions already.

[quote]Originally posted by Nordstrodamus:
<strong>I'm pleased, BUT I would like to know if...

1. Can you use external burners with iDVD 3 or will it at least let you prep a DVD without a burner installed.

2. Is iLife bundled with new macs?

3. Did they remove some of the old themes or just added new ones?

I was distracted during the keynote with work so forgive me if Steve addressed these questions already.</strong><hr></blockquote>


1. does not support external burners....which SUCKS

2. its bundled

3. not sure... i think added from jobs' wording

It most certainly does support external DVD burning. Go all the way to the iDVD page and take a look at the compatibility list -- many dozens of drives supported, and a few dozen drives not supported.

It does seem like a pretty good deal.

photoeditor, double check--I believe that list is for compatible DVD players.

According to iDVD3's <a href="http://www.apple.com/idvd/features.html" target="_blank">Feature Page</a>:

"To run iDVD 3 you need a SuperDrive equipped iMac, eMac, Power Mac G4, or PowerBook G4 running Mac OS X v 10.1.5 or later (v 10.2.2 or later recommended) and at least 256 MB of RAM."

On-topic: Bundle's priced very fairly. I'll be at the local Apple Store on the 25th.

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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

Well, iMovie3 will be free, iTunes is free and iPhoto2 will be free. So you have no need to wait for anything and you will never need to spend the $50.

Happy now? </strong><hr></blockquote>

This is great! (I don't have a superdrive) And I thought I had to buy the updates of iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie, I can just download them free.

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Not bad! For people like me who don't have a Superdrive, the free updates to iTunes, iMovie and iPhoto are great!

[quote]Originally posted by scottiB:
<strong>photoeditor, double check--I believe that list is for compatible DVD players.

According to iDVD3's <a href="http://www.apple.com/idvd/features.html" target="_blank">Feature Page</a>:

"To run iDVD 3 you need a SuperDrive equipped iMac, eMac, Power Mac G4, or PowerBook G4 running Mac OS X v 10.1.5 or later (v 10.2.2 or later recommended) and at least 256 MB of RAM."

On-topic: Bundle's priced very fairly. I'll be at the local Apple Store on the 25th.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Feh, so no iLife for me. I have an external LaCie burner. No worky, no money.

Screed

Sounds like an OK deal, especially for those who still use dial-up (saves on mega downloads), though I still have one question, the price in USA will be $49 for the bundle of apps on CD rom .. heres hoping that Apple will have the sense to market the same bundle in Europe at the appropriate exchange rate (though knowing Apple, I very much doubt it!).

...Just checked, iLife available for 59 Euro (Ireland) 39 Pounds (UK).
Close enough <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Now to make it even better value .. bundle current version of Quicktime as well please

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Emphatically? YES!

Lemon Bon Bon

yes

Yes Apple did the best thing it possibly could with iLife... didn't screw its users over by charging them for apps they've been downloading for free AND is making some much needed $$ off of iDVD.

They also did the right thing by charging a decent amount right off the bat for Keynote. I didn't hear anyone who was interested in it (in #thinksecret) grumbling about $99.

Apple's obviously listening to its customers on iApps. As I said elsewhere, the suite will be sweet in a new Digital Lifestyle Device, sure to come by Spring. (Well, life springs eternal anways).

Will, iLife be sold in CompUSA? I love the free other apps.

All I can say is....great work from Apple.

For all the doubters, I hope this keeps you happy for a little bit. I am totally stoked...so is my ladie!

They took the rumored "charge for iApps" change and turned it on its head! The apps that were free still are, and the same amount of money that got you iDVD yesterday now gets you all four on CD.

On top of that, they got major updates, not least of which is the ability to play well together.

Am I happy? Hell, yes. Did Apple do the right thing? Hell, yes.

Now, I just need to find a way to wipe this silly grin off my face.

(ps: The Windows guy I was working with practically fainted when he saw the 17" PowerBook.)

Sob, I have no super drive...

But I am glad Apple make those which should be free free!

yay!!

they did the right thing... get money from people who are gonna make the DVDs, they are the one with SuperDrives, they are the ones with cash... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

I think its fine what they did although it doesn't really benefit me. I guess i'm in the minority, I only want the new idvd, I don't use iphoto or imovie (and I have a high speed connection). So I'm buying the bundle for 50 bucks just for idvd, but I don't really mind its just one less video game purchase that month

[quote]Originally posted by Ti Fighter:
<strong>I guess i'm in the minority, I only want the new idvd, I don't use iphoto or imovie (and I have a high speed connection). So I'm buying the bundle for 50 bucks just for idvd, but I don't really mind its just one less video game purchase that month </strong><hr></blockquote>

Funny, I have a high speed connection and I don't have a Superdrive, but I'll still be buying iLife. That's less beer & CDs, but damn the box is gonna look cool with that puzzle piece logo.

im happy here

loving it....wanted chapters and better integration in iMovie and got it....wanted more themes in iDVD and got that in spades (damn those themes are hot)...wanted image correction in iPhoto and got that more than i expected....the way the iApps all interact looks lovely to say the lest....buying a PB 12" in a month, but i may send apple the 39 bucks (edu pricing) for iLife to to say thanks (and so i can play with them till the PB arrives)....all is good......g

Someone mentioned the puzzle piece box and it got me thinking?

There were WAY more attacks on MS than I first saw. There was Keynote, of course, that will hopefully do really well against PowerPoint on the Mac platform (I hope it's not a repeat performance of Claris Impact). Then there were the browser tests where Safari rendered HTML pages 3x faster than IE. The second time I watched the keynote, I noticed that Steve pointed out that Safari was 2x as fast as IE in the Javascript test, even though Netscape was the clear loser of that test (with IE in third place). Funny that he specifically mentioned IE even though it wasn't the real loser of that test. Finally, in the third test (launch times), he said Safari launched 20% faster, and he didn't even have to add "than IE" to the end because at that point it was a given. That was pretty good.

Of course there was also the Open Source: We Think It's Great! frame in his presentation, that was another attack on MS.

Then Bunge mentioned the puzzle piece logo, and I thought about the old versions of MS Office that had the same puzzle piece logo on the box. Yet another stab Apple's taking at MS. I wonder if there are more hidden somewhere?

EDIT: w00t! 800 posts!

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it seems like Apple, in their attempt to win over PC users, is becoming more like MS every day. either they are getting greedy or desperate, either way it's not particularly making my first Apple purchase a more pleasant experience. listening to dunderheads say "yipee i get to pay another $50 to stevo" or "everyone else does it, why shouldn't apple" makes having a mac almost embarassing. i should have gotten suspicious when they dropped the "Think Different" campaign.

[quote]either way it's not particularly making my first Apple purchase a more pleasant experience. listening to dunderheads say "yipee i get to pay another $50 to stevo" or "everyone else does it, why shouldn't apple"<hr></blockquote>

Ow.

He's right.

The pricing's stupid and so is Stevo (sic).

[/sarcasm]

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[quote]Originally posted by snief:
<strong>it seems like Apple, in their attempt to win over PC users, is becoming more like MS every day. either they are getting greedy or desperate, either way it's not particularly making my first Apple purchase a more pleasant experience. listening to dunderheads say "yipee i get to pay another $50 to stevo" or "everyone else does it, why shouldn't apple" makes having a mac almost embarassing. i should have gotten suspicious when they dropped the "Think Different" campaign.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Boy, you really missed the train on this one. I really don't get your argument. I feel like we've covered the pricing issue thoroughly here, and we've covered the non-exclusive tie-ins with the iApps too. Unless MS invented money, I don't see how this makes themn like MS.

Yes, and a bit no... :-)

I wanted AAC and rendezvous in iTunes..

I didn't watch the webcast, but is iLife somehow different then just downloading the 4 apps separately (I understand that iDVD isn't for download)? Does iLife integrate the iApps more than they would be if I just downloaded the updates to iMovie and iPhoto on 1/25?

Thanks for the help.

Jason

snief: What's your problem? Do you not understand?

iLife is the name given to a $49 application package which includes iPhoto 2, iMovie 3, iTunes 3 and iDVD 3. iPhoto, iMovie and iTunes are all available for free download, and the versions in iLife are the exact same as the downloadable versions. It's just there for dial up users who don't want to download 150+ MB of iApps, or for people who want a hard copy of the iApps so they can easily move them from computer to computer.

iDVD has always been a paid upgrade because a) it required a CD to be shipped to you, it's too big and b) Apple has to pay royalties to some DVD consortium or forum to use their MPEG-2 encoder. That's it. So basically, Apple would have sent it to you for free if not for the unavoidable fees involved.

I dare anyone here to find equivalent Windows applications for the iApps. An MP3 encoder/playlist manager as good as iTunes, for free. A digital camera and picture mangement program that can also make slideshows from your music library that is automatically integrated with it. A nearly professional-quality moviemaking package. Can you find all those for Windows, for free? I bet you couldn't even find a comparable package for under $50, and even if you could, the level of integration wouldn't be nearly as good. Then you add in iDVD, which is also integrated with the rest.

Face it. Windows software developers are either retarded or they know that Windows users expect bad software (hell, maybe they even prefer it). Even if Macs use slower (on paper) processors, that doesn't matter because the software integrates so well with the hardware and with the other software, leading to a much better user experience.

One last thing: Why do you care? If you're making your "first Apple purchase," then you'll get iLife bundled with your new Mac. You don't have to pay $50 because it's included. You don't have to pay $50 anyway, unless you have to get iDVD. You can just download them. For free. Tell me how that is like MS.

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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
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Boy, you really missed the train on this one. I really don't get your argument. I feel like we've covered the pricing issue thoroughly here, and we've covered the non-exclusive tie-ins with the iApps too. Unless MS invented money, I don't see how this makes themn like MS.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so they aren't gonna charge for the iApp updates? after charging for an upgrade from a beta OS they passed off as consumer ready...

i guess i just don't trust any corporation. the price of Apple computers alone is enough for me not to. the skimping on hardware in a high-priced computer (like one ATA66 and one ATA100 on a brand new computer, instead of two ATA100 or even better two ATA133), the negative ad campaigns (just plain old dirty business ethics like any other big corporation and that is sad to see). the one main difference i see between the two is one has a much larger market share. if Apple had the chunk MS has, i have no doubt it would be just as controlling as MS in order to keep that position. of course they love opensource, they have to. they built OSX based on an opensource technology, and they have to do whatever they can to bring more apps and developers over. because they are struggling for a market share.

i love a lot of the technology though, that's why i bought a G4. nothing i've used on the PC for video editing compares to Final Cut Pro. and the cinema display sure is pretty on my desk.