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So it's okay for JuiceCo to tell you you're allowed to drink the juice out of the bottle but are forbidden to drink it from a glass? That's justifiable because it's "business?"

More like going to a buffet with 4 people, paying for only one person but feeding all 4.

 

No, not at all like that in any way, shape or form. There is one person using the data: me. I am paying based on the amount of bandwidth I consume. Whether I browse on my phone or my laptop via my phone, the outcome is EXACTLY THE SAME. It's as irrelevant to the supplier as whether I eat with a fork or a spoon. Making me pay more for one of them is a completely artificial and indefensible construct.

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post #122 of 136
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No, not at all like that in any way, shape or form. There is one person using the data: me. I am paying based on the amount of bandwidth I consume. Whether I browse on my phone or my laptop via my phone, the outcome is EXACTLY THE SAME. It's as irrelevant to the supplier as whether I eat with a fork or a spoon. Making me pay more for one of them is a completely artificial and indefensible construct.

It's exactly like that. You agreed to get a data plan for your phone, not so it can feed data to all your other devices.
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post #123 of 136
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So it's okay for JuiceCo to tell you you're allowed to drink the juice out of the bottle but are forbidden to drink it from a glass? That's justifiable because it's "business?"

They would find it impossible to enforce, so obviously not. However, what you refer to sounds similar to restaurants charging corkage fees for bringing your own bottles. And if you were in a smart restaurant and decided to start glugging wine from a bottle, the restaurant would be at liberty to ask you to use a glass or to throw you out. That's business.

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post #124 of 136
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Not true, there's no such thing as an obligation to have contracts with every operator on the planet. In fact if you buy a $20 cheaper phone from India or a $50 smartphone from the friendly chinaman around the corner you can pretty much expect that they haven't even talked to any major operator in their life and yet the phones do work just fine.

 

I never said there is an obligation, of course there isn't. Any smartphone with radio chipset can do this. However, no sellers can legally say it can work on specific network without that specific agreement/certification process. If the carrier finds out you're using an uncertified phone, then they're legally allowed to disconnect you and force you to either get a certified phone or lose your services. You can buy one of those ripoffs for 20$, go ahead, but you're no longer entitled to the service even if you're playing for it since it's not certified to work with their network. 

 

I know what you're saying and I agree but legally, the laws in US are on the carrier's side, not customers. 

 

Look at Verizon and Nexus 7 recently, they intentionally disallowed anybody with Nexus 7 on the network even though by your statement, it shouldn't happen. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/verizon-blocks-nexus-7-and-will-probably-get-away-with-it/ (a bit outdated but it covers the gist of it). 

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I never said there is an obligation, of course there isn't. Any smartphone with radio chipset can do this. However, no sellers can legally say it can work on specific network without that specific agreement/certification process. If the carrier finds out you're using an uncertified phone, then they're legally allowed to disconnect you and force you to either get a certified phone or lose your services. You can buy one of those ripoffs for 20$, go ahead, but you're no longer entitled to the service even if you're playing for it since it's not certified to work with their network. 

 

I know what you're saying and I agree but legally, the laws in US are on the carrier's side, not customers. 

In that case I feel terribly sorry for your US people. In all other parts of the world it is sufficient for a device to have the necessary general certifications and declarations (FCC, CE, 3GPP, etc.) in order to being allowed use on any operators network. Also there is no need to say it works on any specific network (except for an operator lock of course) because if it doesn't it cannot pass standard certification and thus may not be sold.

 

Funny enough the iPhone is just another device and not deemed any better or different than a $20 ripoff -- of course assuming that the vendor managed to get all the proper standard certifications.

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In that case I feel terribly sorry for your US people. In all other parts of the world it is sufficient for a device to have the necessary general certifications and declarations (FCC, CE, 3GPP, etc.) in order to being allowed use on any operators network. Also there is no need to say it works on any specific network (except for an operator lock of course) because if it doesn't it cannot pass standard certification and thus may not be sold.

Isn't the whole purpose of standards to let anyone make compatible equipment without having to deal with each vendor separately? The situation with mobile carriers is as absurd as if every computer's 802.11 wifi chip had to be tested and certified by each internet provider separately.


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post #127 of 136
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In that case I feel terribly sorry for your US people. In all other parts of the world it is sufficient for a device to have the necessary general certifications and declarations (FCC, CE, 3GPP, etc.) in order to being allowed use on any operators network. Also there is no need to say it works on any specific network (except for an operator lock of course) because if it doesn't it cannot pass standard certification and thus may not be sold.

Funny enough the iPhone is just another device and not deemed any better or different than a $20 ripoff -- of course assuming that the vendor managed to get all the proper standard certifications.

It's not as bad as it seems. Before the smartphone boom unlocked international phones were very popular.
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post #128 of 136
I dont know what business of Apples it is.
To help people rob me. It makes no difference how you use your allotted data.

But what they have done is make sure I dont resign with sprint.

Anyone who dont have tethering free wont get my money.

I have a throw away phone 45 a month job that has free hotspot on it.
But not on my expensive iphone.
I hear there is a billionaire who is thinking of suing because if you cant load your own app you dont own the phone they do.
It should work just like Mavericks on IOS. and they are unfairly blocking competition with app store only. I think he stands a good chance to win a lot of money from Apple.
post #129 of 136

You have it right no one has the right to tell you how to use your allotted data.

It is just a big rip off.

 

I can tell you this my Iphone 5s is a pile of crap my 45 a month phone has hotspot free.

I only got this pile of crap for xmas.

It is my last small screen no tether expensive and on sprint almost no lte.

 

Do yourself a favor dont buy one.

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You have it right no one has the right to tell you how to use your allotted data.
It is just a big rip off.

I can tell you this my Iphone 5s is a pile of crap my 45 a month phone has hotspot free.
I only got this pile of crap for xmas.
It is my last small screen no tether expensive and on sprint almost no lte.

Do yourself a favor dont buy one.

It's way past your bedtime, little boy.
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post #131 of 136
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I dont know what business of Apples it is. To help people rob me.

 

Well, it’s their contractual obligation.

 
It makes no difference how you use your allotted data.

 

You think that, and so do I, but we don’t matter.

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But what they have done is make sure I dont resign with sprint. Anyone who dont have tethering free wont get my money.

 

There you go. That’s the attitude!

 
I hear there is a billionaire who is thinking of suing because if you cant load your own app you dont own the phone they do. It should work just like Mavericks on IOS. and they are unfairly blocking competition with app store only.

 

Well, that’s not true at all. He’ll be wasting his money. Ought to just give it straight to me.

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post #132 of 136
I Find this absolutely f-king stupid. i just bought a 4G internet pack for my phone from my carrier cuz i love using the iPhone internet to power my Laptops internet but after i did that payment, my phone shuts off randomly and im unable to run wifi connections from it. im f-king glad the usb works fine but i would like to play with my 3ds and other handhelds! Now my carrier is threating me of shutting down my 4G 3MB internet cuz i dont use it appearently! WHAT IN THE LIVING HECK APPLE?!
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I bought a 4G 3MB internet onto my phone like last week because i loved using the hotspot option on my phone to provide internet to my laptop,3ds,PSVita,PSP and every handheld i had. but last week my phone suddenly shut off by its self...i was wondering what the heck happen and i opened it up again, working fine, i opened up my hotspot option and BOOM! no Wifi option! i only see USB and Bluetooth. i was absolutely scared out of my life, spending 67 euros monthly on a fast internet and now its purpose is gone, in fear i updated to iOS 7.1....none of less i was dissapointed, still nothing! i tried changing the APN systems from cellur data and guess what? it appeared again. only for a day that is untill it shut off again and i was at waypoint 0... out of confusion i went on a websearch and i find this thread and i ask of you why wont it work for me? My mom and i use the same internet,same provider, same settings, same everything BUT ON HER PHONE, THE WIFI OPTION IS STILL THERE?! I'm absolutely terrified of why this happen, i tried going to the genius bar, they said the best thing is call your provider/carrier to enable wifi tethering, i called them and they said everything is fine and working! IM RUNNING OUT FROM IDEAS WHAT TO DO?! MY PROVIDER IS ACTUALLY GONNA DROP MY 4G OFF AND UPGRADE TO 2G SLOW INTERNET CUZ I DONT USE ENOUGH OF MY MONTHLY PACKAGE!

the last hope i will try this post, if no one can help, ima just jailbreak my iPhone 4s to backwards compare into iOS 7.0.4 or iOS 6...if that wont help, i'm switching to Nokia / Samsung / ITC because f--k you apple, i loved you but you ruined it


thanks for the help btw.

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I bought a 4G 3MB internet onto my phone like last week because i loved using the hotspot option on my phone to provide internet to my laptop,3ds,PSVita,PSP and every handheld i had. but last week my phone suddenly shut off by its self...i was wondering what the heck happen and i opened it up again, working fine, i opened up my hotspot option and BOOM! no Wifi option! i only see USB and Bluetooth. i was absolutely scared out of my life, spending 67 euros monthly on a fast internet and now its purpose is gone, in fear i updated to iOS 7.1....none of less i was dissapointed, still nothing! i tried changing the APN systems from cellur data and guess what? it appeared again. only for a day that is untill it shut off again and i was at waypoint 0... out of confusion i went on a websearch and i find this thread and i ask of you why wont it work for me? My mom and i use the same internet,same provider, same settings, same everything BUT ON HER PHONE, THE WIFI OPTION IS STILL THERE?! I'm absolutely terrified of why this happen, i tried going to the genius bar, they said the best thing is call your provider/carrier to enable wifi tethering, i called them and they said everything is fine and working! IM RUNNING OUT FROM IDEAS WHAT TO DO?! MY PROVIDER IS ACTUALLY GONNA DROP MY 4G OFF AND UPGRADE TO 2G SLOW INTERNET CUZ I DONT USE ENOUGH OF MY MONTHLY PACKAGE!


the last hope i will try this post, if no one can help, ima just jailbreak my iPhone 4s to backwards compare into iOS 7.0.4 or iOS 6...if that wont help, i'm switching to Nokia / Samsung / ITC because f--k you apple, i loved you but you ruined it



thanks for the help btw.

Here's your help: Apple don't want you as a customer, and we don't want you here as a poster.
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post #135 of 136
Originally Posted by Vladort View Post
I bought a 4G 3MB internet onto my phone like last week because i loved using the hotspot option on my phone to provide internet to my laptop,3ds,PSVita,PSP and every handheld i had. 

 

Does this package cover tethering or just data to your phone?

 
i was absolutely scared out of my life, spending 67 euros monthly on a fast internet and now its purpose is gone…

 

Then stop paying for the Internet. Sounds like a pretty simple solution.

 
I’m absolutely terrified of why this happen…


That’s the intent, I’d think. Don’t violate your contract.

 
IM RUNNING OUT FROM IDEAS WHAT TO DO?! 

 

Sounds like you should pay for tethering instead of trying to breach your contract.

 
MY PROVIDER IS ACTUALLY GONNA DROP MY 4G OFF AND UPGRADE TO 2G SLOW INTERNET CUZ I DONT USE ENOUGH OF MY MONTHLY PACKAGE!

 

So, again, stop paying for that package.

 
i'm switching to Nokia / Samsung / ITC because f--k you apple, i loved you but you ruined it
 

 

Bye. Neither they nor we would care, I think. Learn how to read a contract.

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post #136 of 136
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I bought a 4G 3MB internet onto my phone like last week because i loved using the hotspot option on my phone to provide internet to my laptop,3ds,PSVita,PSP and every handheld i had. but last week my phone suddenly shut off by its self...i was wondering what the heck happen and i opened it up again, working fine, i opened up my hotspot option and BOOM! no Wifi option! i only see USB and Bluetooth. i was absolutely scared out of my life, spending 67 euros monthly on a fast internet and now its purpose is gone, in fear i updated to iOS 7.1....none of less i was dissapointed, still nothing! i tried changing the APN systems from cellur data and guess what? it appeared again. only for a day that is untill it shut off again and i was at waypoint 0... out of confusion i went on a websearch and i find this thread and i ask of you why wont it work for me? My mom and i use the same internet,same provider, same settings, same everything BUT ON HER PHONE, THE WIFI OPTION IS STILL THERE?! I'm absolutely terrified of why this happen, i tried going to the genius bar, they said the best thing is call your provider/carrier to enable wifi tethering, i called them and they said everything is fine and working! IM RUNNING OUT FROM IDEAS WHAT TO DO?! MY PROVIDER IS ACTUALLY GONNA DROP MY 4G OFF AND UPGRADE TO 2G SLOW INTERNET CUZ I DONT USE ENOUGH OF MY MONTHLY PACKAGE!

the last hope i will try this post, if no one can help, ima just jailbreak my iPhone 4s to backwards compare into iOS 7.0.4 or iOS 6...if that wont help, i'm switching to Nokia / Samsung / ITC because f--k you apple, i loved you but you ruined it


thanks for the help btw.

Officaly add tethering to your contract by signing up for that service. Tethering is an option on many services and not a builtin feature.

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