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Apple's 8GB iPhone 5c offers just 3.7GB less storage than Samsung's "16GB" flagship Galaxy S4

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Apple's lower cost 8GB iPhone 5c scales down its entry cost by dropping 8GB, but ends up with only 3.7GB less available room for apps, pics and other user data as Samsung's 16GB Galaxy S4, thanks to more efficient storage use and the lack of third party bundles and offers.

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The new 8GB iPhone 5c creates a new, lower price point for sensitive markets including the U.K. and China. It ships with 4.9GB available to users, which will be easy to fill. Apple's newly free Garage Band, iMovie, iPhoto and iWork apps together weigh in at nearly 3GB, and user photos and email can also quickly add up.

Apple has addressed mobile storage issues for users with its free iCloud service, which lets users store music, videos and App Store purchases in the cloud so they can be downloaded only when needed. PhotoStream also captures the pictures users take, creating a iCloud backup that allows mobile users with limited storage to delete photos from their phone.

Of course, having extra local storage is ideal, particularly for users who download sophisticated App Store games and other apps that can easily take up 1GB or more of space. Apple has long used different RAM capacities to create different price tiers of products, from the original iPods to every edition of iPhone and iPad, as consumers are well aware that more room for storage is something valuable enough to pay extra to get.

However, a device's advertised installed figure of gigabytes for storage isn't as important as how much is left over after the operating system, featured apps, trial ware and other content are all figured in.

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For example, Microsoft's Surface Pro hybrid tablet shipped with an impressive sounding 64GB of storage, but outside of Windows and other preinstalled software, the device only left around 36 percent of its installed storage capacity for the user.

In contrast, Apple's more efficient iPad leaves around 85 percent of its installed storage memory free for apps and other user content.

Among phones, Apple's iPhone 5c outperformed a series of smartphone devices in leaving available storage for the user in a report from January. Despite all being advertised as 16GB models, Apple's iPhone 5c left 12.5GB available, while Android phones from Sony, HTC and LG ate up more than an extra gigabyte or two.

The worst offender in the bunch was one of the best selling Android phones: Samsung's Galaxy S4 flagship, which ships with just 8.56GB free for the user. A primary reason: Samsung's TouchWiz custom package of extra software designed to differentiate and brand the generic Android experience.



"While it looks pretty and grabs headlines, most of the stuff is next to useless," wrote Which. Samsung's "Eye tracking technology that pauses video when you look away from the screen sounds attractive but in reality it works badly, gulps down your battery and monopolises your internal storage."

Samsung wastes so much space on its 16GB Galaxy S4 that users are left with just a bit more space than Apple's new, lower end 8GB iPhone 5c, despite Samsung boasting twice as much storage as Apple's newly introduced model.
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Not surprising. Which is why the capacity comparison is ALWAYS misleading when it comes to mobile phones. Companies should be legally forced to advertise how much free space the device ships with, not total space. A 16GB iPhone has almost double actual storage space for users than a 16GB S4, yet they're advertised as if they're identical. Its a disgusting and misleading practice- but of course, Samsung/Microsoft will not get bad PR for it because they're not Apple.
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apple's 8gb has 3.7gb less storage than samsung's 16gb, because of all the crap samsung add

 

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ai is really struggling for clickbait today

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, AI, but at that size 3.7 GB is a lot.

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Not surprising. Which is why the capacity comparison is ALWAYS misleading when it comes to mobile phones. Companies should be legally forced to advertise how much free space the device ships with, not total space. A 16GB iPhone has almost double actual storage space for users than a 16GB S4, yet they're advertised as if they're identical. Its a disgusting and misleading practice- but of course, Samsung/Microsoft will not get bad PR for it because they're not Apple.

This has gone on in storage forever, it's hardly new. Are people still outraged their laptop drives aren't the full available space 20 years later? My rMBP had quite a bit less than 'advertised' out of the box especially with a recovery partition. I expected it. It doesn't matter who's logo is on the outside, it's just how it works. 

 

 

Now having nearly half the space in the S4 taken up by system is laughably bad / near inexcusable still, but intentionally left out of the article is optional additional media storage in the SD card several phones offer. Terrible policy, but still an option. 


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On top of all that, all of Apple's devices allow you to store data in iCloud. This completely does away with the need for something like a microSD card slot for extra space. iCloud is also extremely easy to use, displaying and allowing you to search through all your items, as if they were on your device.
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Many fandroids do not realize that it's not all about the specs. Anybody will look at how those specs actually translates into real life usage. Paper specs are often meaningless and do not give a good indication as to how a device performs, and they do not tell the whole story.

 

Who cares if your device has a bigger capacity battery, if my device actually lasts longer?

 

Who cares if your device comes with 64 GB of storage, when the actual user storage is far less and a big joke?

 

Who cares if your device has a quad core processor, when my device actually outperforms yours and is less laggy?

 

And thanks to Apple's iOS, which is far more efficient and streamlined than the horrible mess and complete disaster that is known as Android, Apple devices run smoother and better than Android devices.

 

And I wrote this the other day in another thread, but the 8GB iPhone 5c will be just fine for certain people who do not need a lot of storage space. We live in the age of streaming media, wake up people.

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It also offers 12GB more storage than a 32GB Windows phone. True story!
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On top of all that, all of Apple's devices allow you to store data in iCloud. This completely does away with the need for something like a microSD card slot for extra space. iCloud is also extremely easy to use, displaying and allowing you to search through all your items, as if they were on your device.

Since local storage is always available and high speed transfer, it pretty clearly trumps expensive carrier data caps, hunting for wifi or waiting for things to upload/download, regardless of whether it's built in storage or an SD card. Carriers want you to use the cloud, they see $$.  

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, AI, but at that size 3.7 GB is a lot.

Um, it certainly is... And 4.3 is even more LOL. You don't seem to get it, do you? The iPhone has 8GB total, the Galaxy 16GB. So, whatever amount Apple is using up for iOS, Samsung is using that, PLUS 4.3GB! How is that bad news for AI or Apple 8GB iPhone users? It's extremely bad news for 16GB Galaxy users. That "additional" 8GB is yielding them 3.7GB in real terms. ...but that's the kind of reasoning I have come to expect from Apple critics and Android franatics.
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It's mostly a fuzzy area that might not seem important enough to be a differentiator, but since Apple's biggest competitor seems to be the worst offender of this storage discrepancy %u2013 it's obvious that forcing them to compensate for that discrepancy would be in Apple's favor.

Even if Apple spun it as a joke on Samsung having to provide expandable storage because their Galaxy phone isn't sophisticated enough to have enough storage on its own. Turn the microSD feature into a fault or at least a reminder of a fault.
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Why do these article about available storage never mention the differences between BASE-10 using in marketing and BASE-2 used by the system, which accounts for a large part of the capacity discrepancy among all vendors? Too many will assume, for instance, that the 5C's OS is 3.4GiB?

It's absolutely ridiculous that 1000 and 1024 use the same wording. Imagine if 5,280 and 3,281 feet both used the term mile. It would be a huge pain the ass.

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Wow, look at that Galaxy S4 on the chart!

 

Somebody buys a brand new 16 GB Samsung phone and they end up with 8.56 available out of the box! :lol:

 

What a scam and what a rip off!:lol: And on top of that, they're stuck using Android.:D 

 

In contrast to what certain people claim, that it is techies and those who desire more from their mobile devices that choose Android, I claim the exact opposite. It is the ignorant and those who are either cheap and can not afford to spend money on mobile devices that make up the majority of Android sales and activations. Most Android phones are complete junk and they're often being used as no more than feature phones. 

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But it is also true you could plop in a 128GB SD card in the Galaxy and have a lot more room for photos, videos, and music. And if you really want to gain even more space you have the option of rooting and recapturing perhaps another 3 or 4 GB of internal space by removing Samsung bloatware and carrier crapware. But I do agree that this is embarrassing for Samsung that a stock 16GB Galaxy S4 does not come equipped with much more free space than a 8GB iPhone. 

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I really thought this was where Apple was going....relatively inexpensive, super-small, super-thin, super-light devices (iPhones and iPads) connected to iCloud/iTunes where all our stuff is.

 

We don't need laptops with 2 TB hard drives.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Best.

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But it is also true you could plop in a 128GB SD card in the Galaxy and have a lot more room for photos, videos, and music. And if you really want to gain even more space you have the option of rooting and recapturing perhaps another 3 or 4 GB of internal space by removing Samsung bloatware and carrier crapware. But I do agree that this is embarrassing for Samsung that a stock 16GB Galaxy S4 does not come equipped with much more free space than a 8GB iPhone. 

Storing your private data on an unsecured SD card and rooting and putting a slimmed down ROM on your device sounds awesome¡


PS: I love how these "solutions" are exactly what not to do once the issue of Android security comes into play. 1oyvey.gif

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My actual take away, given the chart, is that a base install of iOS and Android take up about the same amount of space as the two flagships, the Nexus 5 and iPhone 5S give you 12.2xGB space available.

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ROFLMAO

Galasy S has microSD and the 16GB version with 3GB+ more capacity than the 5c is still more affordable.

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Why do these article about available storage never mention the differences between BASE-10 using in marketing and BASE-2 used by the system, which accounts for a large part of the capacity discrepancy among all vendors? Too many will assume, for instance, that the 5C's OS is 3.4GiB?

It's absolutely ridiculous that 1000 and 1024 use the same wording. Imagine if 5,280 and 3,281 feet both used the term mile. It would be a huge pain the ass.

Your mile analogy is ridiculous. 1GB is 1,000,000,000 to some people and 1,073,741,824 to others. That's a difference of only 73MB or ~7%; not a really big deal. This would mean the mile would be either 5280 feet or 5650 (difference of 370 feet), not the huge difference you use. When you're talking about a huge starting number, 1GB, worrying about an extra 73MB doesn't really matter to most people.

 

When you talk about the amount of usable space on an iPhone compared to a Samsung Galaxy S4 (both 16GB models), a difference of 4+GB is huge no matter how you calculate a GB.

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On top of all that, all of Apple's devices allow you to store data in iCloud. This completely does away with the need for something like a microSD card slot for extra space. iCloud is also extremely easy to use, displaying and allowing you to search through all your items, as if they were on your device.

It should be noted that iCloud data storage does not equate to remote disc storage for everything.

 

You can store an app's user data in the cloud, but not the app itself. For example, that 150KB spreadsheet can be stored in iCloud, but not the 368MB Numbers app itself. iPhoto takes up 315MB, Pages take 372MB, Keynote takes 538MB, iMovie takes 664MB, GarageBand takes 772MB. 

 

Note that certain functionality can't be executed in the cloud either. For example, you cannot effectively shoot 1080p HD video and edit it in iCloud. You need local storage for the original recording, plus more local space if you wish to edit the footage and create a new movie. The final product could be uploaded to iCloud, but you can't use the cloud for editing or initial recording.

 

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but Google prevents the SD card from being used for app installation. Only user media (photos, movies, etc.) can be used on the SD card; the reasoning behind this is that SD cards are less reliable and have poorer performance than onboard flash storage.

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Are you actually trying to compare an SSD (and microSD) equipped x86-64 Windows 8.1 tablet pre loaded with Microsoft Office, with an eMMC equipped ARM based device running a mobile OS (iOS)?  

 

The difference between these two devices is night and day.

Yea, one of them works great and one of them is a great paperweight.

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Your mile analogy is ridiculous. 1GB is 1,000,000,000 to some people and 1,073,741,824 to others. That's a difference of only 73MB or ~7%; not a really big deal. This would mean the mile would be either 5280 feet or 5650 (difference of 370 feet), not the huge difference you use. When you're talking about a huge starting number, 1GB, worrying about an extra 73MB doesn't really matter to most people.

When you talk about the amount of usable space on an iPhone compared to a Samsung Galaxy S4 (both 16GB models), a difference of 4+GB is huge no matter how you calculate a GB.

73MB for each GB is not a big deal to you? Why would you accept any difference from this polyseme when dealing with numbers?

For a 128GB iPad you need to multiply that 73MB by 128. That comes out to over 9GB. For a 1TB HDD that's 73GB. For a 4TB HDD that's 292GB. How can these numbers be so inconsequential to you? Would you be happy with an additional 7% tax on your income because it's only 7% or would you figure how much that translate to in week, month, year and lifetime?

Your argument is akin to saying that a little rape is ok so long as it's not a lot of rape.
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the reasoning behind this is that SD cards are less reliable and have poorer performance than onboard flash storage.

 

I've read that too, that onboard flash memory is far better, more reliable and faster than using an SD card.

 

When a Fandroid mentions SD cards, I'll know right away that I'm dealing with an amateur, who doesn't use their device for anything of importance.

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I would be extremely wary of recommending the use of PhotoStream as "cloud storage". It's a good way to sync photos between devices, but as it is poorly explained (and thus understood) and may delete photos without user interaction it is emphatically not a good place to store important memories.
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This is terrible news for people in emergenging markets that were hopeful the 5C would have been an alternative. 

 

The 8 GB 5c was made available in the U.K., China, France, Germany and Australia, I wouldn't exactly call those emerging markets, with the possible exception of China.

 

Screw emerging markets, because Apple is never going to win the race to the bottom mentality that everybody else uses. If an Apple product is too expensive for somebody, no matter where they might live, then they should go and buy an Android phone or whatever. There is no money to be made from those kinds of people anyway. It sounds like a poor business decision.

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All of that space used up by Samsung's bloatware. At least they provide a microSD card slot for further expansion, and it costs ~$20 for a 32GB card.

 

So just like external cloud storage.

 

I wonder why Google discourages SD cards in all their Nexus models?

 

What's weird is the latest S2 update, where the memory was split into two, 2GB "device memory" and the rest becomes "USB storage", a nightmare for users who update and suddenly they get "memory full" errors, changing these partition sizes will brick the phone.

 

To free up space all you have to do is dial *#9900# and delete dumpstate/logcat.

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To be fair, Which also writes this essential part:

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In contrast, you can massively boost the S4’s memory, adding an extra 64GB of storage for only around £40. To combat the S4′s storage issues, Samsung allows you to install apps directly to its memory card.

 

If especially the last sentence is true, the issue is not as bad as it sounds.

 

It used to be that the extra memory was nearly useless (as DED once very nicely explained when writing about memory architectures). If it now is not a problem anymore, leaving this out is a bit 'coloured'.

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And unlike the 5C, you can double that total memory for 10 bucks with the S4 and a MiniSD card. So there's that. I know it's AI's wont to trash Samsung whenever possible, but this is some serious reaching. Now if you wanted to compare it to the HTC One, or similar android phones that don't offer MicroSD slots, that would be fair game.

 

Back to the issue of limited memory on the 5C: what bothers me most is the necessity for a certain amount of available memory required for iOS and App updates, as well as normal use. iOS updates require 2.5GB of free space just to download, leaving the user a paltry 1.2GB of free space to play with. Now of course that only applies to OTA updates, as the memory cap isn't an issue when updating through iTunes, but this limitation heavily bumps against Apple's own admitted push away from mobile device reliance on PC tethering.

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Honestly, if someone is actually using their device for something of importance they'll likely be using a secure smartphone such as the consumer grade blackphone, or the professional grade Black phone from Boeing. 

 

Importance isn't just about security. If I worked for the CIA or if I was James Bond or I was a terrorist, then maybe I'd consider using one of the phones that you mentioned.

 

I was talking about pros and professional applications, such as pros accessing and editing photos, videos or music on their devices, and it obviously makes sense to be doing that directly on the onboard memory. A pro can afford to go out and buy a 128 GB iPad.

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That's true, when you're trying to run CAD software, sketch with the active stylus, edit photo/video in professional grade software or play games on Steam, the iPad can only hold your paper down.

 

Again both devices are completely different and used for very different purposes.

When you're trying to do those things on a windows tablet and not a PC or Mac, then you are the paperweight.

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Further fine-tuning an entry level offering.

 

Reasonable.

 

Still wish it came in gray....

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iOS updates require 2.5GB of free space just to download, leaving the user a paltry 1.2GB of free space to play with.

Your hatred of Apple really hinders your reasoning ability. So you took 3.7 and subtracted 2.5 to get 1.2. That 3.7 is in reference to the difference between the 5C and the 16GB Galaxy S4. It is not how much available space the 5C comes with. Using the included graph the S4 has 8.56GiB of available space which means subtracting 3.7GiB leaves 4.86GiB.

Then you made the erroneous conclusion that the 2.5GiB of space required to accomplish the download, unpacking, verification and swapping of files for the update process is the additional space needed for the OS. To restate in similar terms, most of that 2.5GiB is given back to the user after the update completes.

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"A few photos of that awesome camera, few videos, 1 good game and that's it."

 

Wow is that crappy math, that list won't be over three GB. Besides which not everyone needs or would like to pay for 64+ GB. So there's another choice: if it's not for you there's always the option of not buying it right?

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Dudes... Yes the s4 sucks, etc. But who cares? The fact is that the 8gb option of the 5c is just a trap made by a greedy company.
 

 

It's not a trap. It's another option. 

 

If somebody needs more, then they have the choice of buying the phone with more storage space. Who are you to decide that 8GB is not enough? It may not be enough for you, but it is certainly adequate for a certain segment of users.

 

The greedy ones are the whining cheapskates who expects Apple to follow everybody else's lead, and sell junky products for dirt cheap. 

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Why do these article about available storage never mention the differences between BASE-10 using in marketing and BASE-2 used by the system, which accounts for a large part of the capacity discrepancy among all vendors? Too many will assume, for instance, that the 5C's OS is 3.4GiB?

It's absolutely ridiculous that 1000 and 1024 use the same wording. Imagine if 5,280 and 3,281 feet both used the term mile. It would be a huge pain the ass.

 

My question would be: if Apple uses BASE-10 and Samsung/other use BASE-2 (unless I have that backwards) then how can they both be "16GB" phones, assuming they are using the exact same chip?

 

For marketing purposes does Apple mean BASE-2 when they say we have a 16GB iPhone?

 

And if so, does this make DED's argument valid? (i.e. is the "remaining" memory also BASE-2, when put in this comparison)

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but Google prevents the SD card from being used for app installation. Only user media (photos, movies, etc.) can be used on the SD card; the reasoning behind this is that SD cards are less reliable and have poorer performance than onboard flash storage.

 

Do you mean 'Android prevents the SD card from being used for app installation'?  If so, you would be mistaken.  A user can move an app to their SD card, but it won't move everything.  It splits the application so that parts end up on both.  For large apps it works great as most of it will end up on the SD card and the user will save lots of space on onboard memory.  For small utility apps it's usually not worth it.  I've never experienced a performance hit by moving an app to the SD card.  The only downside I know of is that it can break widgets for the app.  With that in mind, I have two apps that I use and I also use their widgets so I have chosen not to move them to my SD card.


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My question would be: if Apple uses BASE-10 and Samsung/other use BASE-2 (unless I have that backwards) then how can they both be "16GB" phones, assuming they are using the exact same chip?

For marketing purposes does Apple mean BASE-2 when they say we have a 16GB iPhone?

And if so, does this make DED's argument valid? (i.e. is the "remaining" memory also BASE-2, when put in this comparison)

You lost me. All retail* vendors use BASE-10 to advertise capacity and all** OSes use BASE-2 to represent actual capacity. That's why when you pop in a 1TB HDD you will only see about 0.925TiB.


* I say retail vendors because NAND vendors do market their chips as BASE-2.

** Apple actually changed this around Lion for most areas of OS X to read as BASE-10, but the OS still shows BASE-2 in other parts of the system.
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Do you mean 'Android prevents the SD card from being used for app installation'?  If so, you would be mistaken.  A user can move an app to their SD card, but it won't move everything.  It splits the application so that parts end up on both.  For large apps it works great as most of it will end up on the SD card and the user will save lots of space on onboard memory.  For small utility apps it's usually not worth it.  I've never experienced a performance hit by moving an app to the SD card.  The only downside I know of is that it can break widgets for the app.  With that in mind, I have two apps that I use and I also use their widgets so I have chosen not to move them to my SD card.

 

Mmmm.

 

Owning an Android phone sounds like a lot of work ....

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The OS uses 3gb, 2 are needed for updates. That leaves 3gb.

Explain?

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Well to be fair, Samsung offers SD card slots, so this is just fud

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