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In a supposed bid to bolster declining iTunes music sales, Apple is in talks with major record labels to launch a Spotify-like on-demand streaming service, as well as an official iTunes app for the Android mobile operating system.

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Citing sources familiar with the talks, Billboard reports Apple is testing the waters of a possible subscription-based music streaming service as well as an Android iTunes app.

The discussions are purportedly part of a larger strategy to fend off a steep decline in U.S. iTunes downloads. Research from Nielsen SoundScan shows digital album sales were down 13 percent for the week of Mar.9, while per-track sales are tracking down 11 percent from the same time last year. A report from early March claimed Apple is also in talks with labels to release more exclusive content on a windowed basis, which would limit album sales to iTunes for a certain period of time.

"They are feeling out some people at labels on thoughts about transitioning its customers from iTunes proper to a streaming service," said an unnamed source from a major label. "So when you buy a song for $1.29, and you put it in your library, iTunes might send an e-mail pointing out that for a total of, say, $8 a month you can access that song plus all the music in the iTunes store. It's all in the 'what if' stage."

While talks are just now getting underway, some believe Apple will make iTunes Radio a standalone app, breaking it out of the iOS Music app where it currently resides.

It was reported earlier in March that iTunes Radio managed to carve out a larger portion of the streaming music market than Spotify, a major force in the sector. Of course, Apple's solution boats a free-to-use feature and comes with a massive installed user base.

Despite the initial influx of users, some of whom are granted on-demand listening access via iTunes Match, Pandora still dominates with nearly one third of the market. The service took a marginal hit when iTunes Radio first launched, but has since recovered and is back to a positive growth model. In addition, some 40 percent of Pandora listeners also listen to iTunes Radio.

In light of an erosion of downloads by all-you-can-eat streaming services like Spotify and Beats Music, iTunes still holds considerable sway in the industry, generating more than 40 percent of U.S. recorded music sales revenue. That represents a huge bargaining chip for Apple in pushing for an expansion of its own streaming service.
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The at same idea worked well to introduce Windows users to good software, and accelerate switching, perhaps it will work again.

Then again how many Android users are connected to the internet? 1biggrin.gif
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The at same idea worked well to introduce Windows users to good software, and accelerate switching, perhaps it will work again.

Then again how many Android users are connected to the internet? 1biggrin.gif
with itunes Apple have yet to introduce windows users with good software.
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with itunes Apple have yet to introduce windows users with good software.

If you says so. 1wink.gif
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with itunes Apple have yet to introduce windows users with good software.

am I to assume that Windows Media Player is some awesome exclusive I abandoned??

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So how exactly is a streaming service going to improve song downloads???
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The last couple years I've invested the most time and money into Spotify (and I've tried them all basically). The problem is that I absolutely hate how Spotify runs their software and their customer support. The community forums are an absolute joke and their official reps make it clear they don't actually want to hear from their users. Granted, my opinion of Apple has been tanking the last 1 or 2 or 3 years, but I would bet that Apple could create a better Spotify client than Spotify.
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with itunes Apple have yet to introduce windows users with good software.

If you says so. 1wink.gif
I do say so. iTunes almost made me give up on the iPhone entirely. Its amazing how badly Apple coded the windows version. A resource hogging bloated programme that made me shudder with horror each time I used it (caveat this is only the window version)
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iMessage for Android. FFS!

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with itunes Apple have yet to introduce windows users with good software.

am I to assume that Windows Media Player is some awesome exclusive I abandoned??

back on topic:

So how exactly is a streaming service going to improve song downloads???
Wmp is not the topic being discussed. If and its a big if Apple make a itunes android version, if its not any good then it wont enhance their reputation to android users.
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I remember seeing someone propose the iTunes for Android idea in a different thread. I just don't see it, though. I don't see Android users wanting to buy things through Apple that will be restricted to play through Apple apps. They want streaming or they want non-drm. What would iTunes give them that Google Play/Spotify doesn't?
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Wouldn't be optimistic about this, even if it's true; Apple are best when they stick to their own platforms.  Every bit of Windows software they've released has been disappointing and not at all up to the standard of the Mac OS counterpart, and their troubles with web services are well known.  I wouldn't expect any adventures with Dalvik to yield better results.

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I remember seeing someone propose the iTunes for Android idea in a different thread. I just don't see it, though. I don't see Android users wanting to buy things through Apple that will be restricted to play through Apple apps. They want streaming or they want non-drm. What would iTunes give them that Google Play/Spotify doesn't?
nothing, if it was any good why would an android user decide to buy an iPhone? A small gain in profits of selling media to undermine future sales of the big powerhouse of the iphone. Apple wants you to buy the iphone/ipad and then use itunes to get your media.
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The at same idea worked well to introduce Windows users to good software, and accelerate switching, perhaps it will work again.

Then again how many Android users are connected to the internet? 1biggrin.gif

 

This is true.  I guess hell can freeze over again, but this may lead to a lot of Android based iPod clones running iTunes.

If they do this for Android, they should do it for Windows Phone as well.

 

I think Apple may be about to move beyond the basic functionalities of iPods and iPhones and into bigger better things.

iTunes for Windows desktops worked out nicely.  This should workout as well but Android is one hell of a fragmented platform to support.  Windows Phone may be much easier.

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I remember seeing someone propose the iTunes for Android idea in a different thread. I just don't see it, though. I don't see Android users wanting to buy things through Apple that will be restricted to play through Apple apps. They want streaming or they want non-drm. What would iTunes give them that Google Play/Spotify doesn't?

Why do people still think iTunes is DRM? Music has been non-DRM for nearly 10 years now!
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Read the Billboard article itself that's the source for AI's report. Much more detailed and does a good job of explaining why Apple is looking at changes. Easy to miss the link within the AI story.
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/digital-and-mobile/5944778/apple-mulls-launching-spotify-rival-android-app-as
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The only reason Apple made itunes for Windows is you needed a PC to use an iPod and most people used a Windows PC. How does itunes on Android sell Apple hardware.

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I don't listen to much radio anymore but what's the big difference between iTunes Radio and this Spotify like streaming service? Seems like the same thing to me. Pick a band it plays them.

Wouldn't it make sense for apple to somehow let us iTunes Radio w/o a data charge? Hook your iPhone up to your car stereo through a USB and listen on the road with no data charge. Why can't apple do that?
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I do say so. iTunes almost made me give up on the iPhone entirely. Its amazing how badly Apple coded the windows version. A resource hogging bloated programme that made me shudder with horror each time I used it (caveat this is only the window version)

 

Tell me about it!  iTunes was one of the reasons why I no longer have any iDevices save one iPod which I don't even bother updating any more.  iTunes was the reason why I bought an iPod in the first place a decade ago.  I thought iTunes was the cat's whisker back then because of all the cool things it did (change the ID3 tags while a CD was getting ripped or a song was playing.  Brilliant!).  But all the problems of iTunes never got fixed and it just got more and more bloated with constant updates making it even bigger.  When I bought my iPad, I had to connect it to iTunes just to get it started.  WTF!

 

That was on Windows.  iTunes on my iPod Touch was also frustrating.  Google Play Music is just sooooo much better than iTunes was.  I have no idea how good it is now.  I sold my iPod Touch 3 years ago.  Maybe it's improved now.

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The only reason Apple made itunes for Windows is you needed a PC to use an iPod and most people used a Windows PC. How does itunes on Android sell Apple hardware.


I suppose it could bring more people into the Apple ecosystem in the long run. As Phil Schiller once said "Once we get people interested in iPods they might look at other products we sell." (paraphrasing)

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am I to assume that Windows Media Player is some awesome exclusive I abandoned??

back on topic:

So how exactly is a streaming service going to improve song downloads???

You'll have to download it again every time you press "play." Isn't that exciting?

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If you just want to listen to the same songs over and over, then yes.

But the ability to listen to any song ever at any moment is pretty compelling if you have wide-ranging listening habits.

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So Apple is going post iTunes for Android on Google Play? That is a lot of Hell Freezing there!

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If this were the case, it'd be a single or two vendors (possibly HTC), and definitely NOT Samsung. It could be a way for Apple to prop up one of the Android players and give that player incentive to take share away from the bigger, real threats.

Combined with patent licensing, it could be a great way to push forward the AppleID-based ecosystem.

Also it'd be a nice FU to Google.
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I suppose it could bring more people into the Apple ecosystem in the long run. As Phil Schiller once said "Once we get people interested in iPods they might look at other products we sell." (paraphrasing)

iPods = hardware. How many people would look at an idevice or Mac because they used itunes on Android?

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iMessage for Android. FFS!

Only if Apple could support if with ad sales...and they conceivably could.

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If they also introduced airplay android, that would sell hardware but iTunes or Apple music app may be a waste of time. Constricting android users to using Apples apps to airplay could really make some $$ and contradict everything I just mentioned
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Tell me about it!  iTunes was one of the reasons why I no longer have any iDevices save one iPod which I don't even bother updating any more.  iTunes was the reason why I bought an iPod in the first place a decade ago.  I thought iTunes was the cat's whisker back then because of all the cool things it did (change the ID3 tags while a CD was getting ripped or a song was playing.  Brilliant!).  But all the problems of iTunes never got fixed and it just got more and more bloated with constant updates making it even bigger.  When I bought my iPad, I had to connect it to iTunes just to get it started.  WTF!

That was on Windows.  iTunes on my iPod Touch was also frustrating.  Google Play Music is just sooooo much better than iTunes was.  I have no idea how good it is now.  I sold my iPod Touch 3 years ago.  Maybe it's improved now.

You have no 'iDevices'? Then why are you here?

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So Apple is going post iTunes for Android on Google Play? That is a lot of Hell Freezing there!

Android freezes a lot, you know. Everytime I hear "DROOOOOOID" startup sound, a Google staffer gets his wings.

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iTunes AAC audio purchases for Android makes a lot of sense. Rule number 1 for good business is to sell customers what they want to buy. I'd use it.

The iTunes app probably wouldn't go over well on Android. The iTunes app is a clumsy and bloated ecosystem with a tarnished name. Even if it could be ported, nobody would want to install it. All people really want is a simple app that organizes and plays music, and there are tons of free/cheap apps that do that very well.
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For those not aware of it Google aldready provides a way to sync your iTunes library with Google Music for your Android device.
http://www.androidpit.com/itunes-and-android-how-to-sync
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Originally Posted by Kevin McMurtrie View Post
iTunes AAC audio purchases for Android makes a lot of sense. Rule number 1 for good business is to sell customers what they want to buy.

 

Apple already does that. It’s called Apple products.

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iTunes for Android? Never. Going. To. Happen.

iTunes for Windows was instrumental for iPod adoption, and subsequent dominance of the personal music player market. The difference was that every iTunes for Windows user still bought a high-margin piece of Apple hardware. iTunes for Android doesn't do any good for Apple. The iTunes Store may be a net profit center for Apple, but it's a negligible one compared to hardware profits.
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What would iTunes give them that Google Play/Spotify doesn't?

Answer = nothing. But it is another option for those that use both iOS and Android to unify music on all their platforms. Or for Apple to keep customers using their service even if that user switching from an iPhone to an Android device.

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Don't hold your breath. Apple has absolutely no motivation to provide any of its services for any Android device, so they'll almost certainly never do so.

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Why would Apple want "to keep customers using their service even if that user switching from an iPhone to an Android device"? Apple provides services to support and encourage the sale of their lucrative hardware, not the other way around.

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You have no 'iDevices'? Then why are you here?

Because there are no "iSheep" in Android fan site forums to annoy for kicks. 1smile.gif

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Why would Apple want "to keep customers using their service even if that user switching from an iPhone to an Android device"? Apple provides services to support and encourage the sale of their lucrative hardware, not the other way around.

Yes, I agree, and it would be more lucrative. Their device sales contribute more to their bottom line than music sales.

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Or for Apple to keep customers using their service even if that user switching from an iPhone to an Android device.

Apple has made a consistent effort to create a sticky platform. Which platform is more valuable to Apple: iOS or iTunes?

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The at same idea worked well to introduce Windows users to good software, and accelerate switching, perhaps it will work again.

Then again how many Android users are connected to the internet? 1biggrin.gif

 

How about all Android users are connected to the internet, it is a cellphone with constant internet access.  Your comment demonstrates your ignorance.

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If you says so. 1wink.gif

Your above comment was so stupid, this one is equally stupid.  The Windows version of iTunes is dogshit, always has been.

 

Stupid article.  One small comment about iTunes on Android, and the rest about a rumored streaming service.  The comment about iTunes on Android could have been left out since AI obviously has no information about it.

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The at same idea worked well to introduce Windows users to good software, and accelerate switching, perhaps it will work again.

Then again how many Android users are connected to the internet? 1biggrin.gif

Exactly lol. I think Apple should stick with iOS. Otherwise, android users have another reason not to switch.
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I do say so. iTunes almost made me give up on the iPhone entirely. Its amazing how badly Apple coded the windows version. A resource hogging bloated programme that made me shudder with horror each time I used it (caveat this is only the window version)

It is slow isn't it? It's amazing on Mac, you should get one.
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Wouldn't be optimistic about this, even if it's true; Apple are best when they stick to their own platforms.  Every bit of Windows software they've released has been disappointing and not at all up to the standard of the Mac OS counterpart, and their troubles with web services are well known.  I wouldn't expect any adventures with Dalvik to yield better results.

Yeah exactly. It's not that they can't code for windows, it's just the environment isn't "natural" for them. They don't debug it as much, and one file change can kill iTunes for PC! But apple shouldn't go to android either. Bad move. Another reason for Droid users not to switch... Can't stand Android or windows, they both have the same issues. Apple forever!
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