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From the constant harping about the supposed "failure" of Apple's iPhone 5c, you'd think the phone is selling poorly. The reality is that middle tier model, while dramatically less popular than Apple's top of the line iPhone 5s, still managed to outsell every Blackberry, every Windows Phone and every Android flagship in the winter quarter, including Samsung's Galaxy S4.

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Calibrating failure and hysteria with Apple's iPhone 5c



Apple's fiercest critics spent most of 2013 complaining that the company wasn't "innovative enough," but its latest high-end iPhone, the 64-bit iPhone 5s With Touch ID, managed to outsell every other flagship smartphone on any platform, by far, becoming the world's best selling handset.



In fact, Apple's high-end iPhone 5s has been so remarkably successful, in spite of the supposed cheapening trend in smartphone buyers' tastes, that Apple's critics have been forced to pounce upon the supposed "failure" of the iPhone 5c instead; a phone that sells so "terribly" that it also outsold the ostensibly successful Samsung Galaxy S4 on half of America's top carriers, and pushed every other Android phone out of the top U.S. sales charts entirely, from the first month it went on sale.

The primary data point supporting the "5c Failure" propaganda campaign is that the cheaper model hasn't been able to outsell Apple's top of the line 5s, as if Apple would prefer to sell the 5c and collect at least $100 less per sale.

Note that the war on iPhone 5c focuses entirely upon Apple's smartphone model mix, a topic that has never raised any interest among any Android or Windows Phone smartphone makers, none of whom detail the unit sales of each price tier in the phones they sell. Few smartphone makers even provide an official figure for the overall numbers of units they sell.

Grave concerns about Apple's product mix were raised as a distraction from reality, and continue to grow in their fevered pitch as the reality of Apple's leading market position in premium smartphones becomes more evident, from taking 80 percent of premium phone sales in China to 76 percent of all smartphones in Japan and 45 percent of all smartphones sold in the United States.



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Proponents of the 5c Failure Meme have even twisted Tim Cook's words to suggest that Apple's incorrect initial expectation that it would sell a larger mix of cheaper models in 2013 really meant that Apple was upset that buyers weren't as interested in its middle tier phone as its high end iPhone 5s.

Imagine General Motors being upset to find that the majority of its customers preferred to pay a 20 percent premium for an option package that included fancier trim, greater horsepower and a lucrative technology/convenience package.

No doubt GM would be ecstatic to discover such unexpectedly favorable market demand from its customers, even if it meant a mid-season retooling to accommodate buyers' desires for more premium vehicles, regardless of their higher price in our hypothetical economy where few other car makers could earn anything on sales of their cheaper, bare bones cars, nor manage to introduce a successful luxury model.

If you prefer lemonade stand analogies to cars, Apple is selling all the premium organic lemonade it can produce at prices more than two times higher, on average, than everyone else can sell any sort of drink.

Note that Apple isn't just asking for more money; consumers are readily paying twice as much to buy iPhones. That's indicative of a failure on the part of Android. Either the entire world has been fooled, or Android is simply not as desirable as its proponents claim. Samsung does appear to be blowing its promotional billions ineffectually, but it's hard to imagine that the majority of the world's most sophisticated consumers are being fooled by one company to pay that much extra, were there no real difference.

Apple subsequently makes more money, by far. It also has far more capital available to expand into a variety of other offerings, were demand for its lemonade to ever decline (and there's no credible signs of this happening so far). If demand were to shift toward orange juice, beer or even cheaper lemonade, the best capitalized lemonade stand would certainly be best positioned to shift its operations to accommodate that change.

The 5c Failure Meme, largely invented by some sloppy reporting from the Wall Street Journal attributed to Lorraine Luk, Eva Dou and Ian Sherr, and subsequently regurgitated by Brad Reed and Chris Ciaccia of BGR in various forms at a regular pace ever since it became clear that Apple's high end iPhone 5s was far more successful, is particularly bewildering in its brass ballsiness because Apple's iPhone 5c was indisputably more successful than the middle tier model Apple sold last year.



Without even citing sales figures anymore, Reed and Ciaccia have taken to calling iPhone 5c a "flop," as if saying something outrageous over and over automatically makes it factual. Unsurprisingly, the site also described iPhone 4S as a failure in late 2011, iPhone 4 as a failure in early 2011 and spoke of iPhone 3GS as a failure before that, if for no other reason that that its writers didn't like the name.

"To be honest," wrote BGR's Zach Epstein back in 2009, "we can't remember ever having seen Apple fail so massively in this department."

The "failure" of iPhone 3GS' branding was ostensibly so incredibly bad that BGR coined it a "megafail," specifically because it wasn't clear enough whether there should be a space between the "G" and the "S." Apple, it seems, can't help but "fail" in various ways as it chows down the majority of the mobile industry's profits building the world's most desirable phones and expanding the world's most important and sustainable ecosystem for apps and accessories. If sportswriting were as disingenuous and misleading as the tech industry's bloggers, it'd be really hard to tell what teams were winning versus who was simply the team favored by a particular observer of the games being played.

Imagine the team winning the Super Bowl or World's Cup being labeled a "failure" by sports commentators who groused about perceived flaws in how the winning team played while detailing the "whisper number" of points that "sports analysts" had expected the team to score, expressing great disappointment in the winning team's inability to score what somebody had guessed might be possible.

If sportswriting were as disingenuous and misleading as the tech industry's bloggers, it'd be really hard to tell what teams were winning versus who was simply the team favored by a particular observer of the games being played.

Perhaps that's the point.

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Apple's iPhone 5c was actually more successful than every other Android flagship smartphone, redefining what "flop" can possibly mean. Would Microsoft's Zune been a "flop" if it had outsold any model of iPod? Would Microsoft's Surface or HP's Slate PC, Motorola's Xoom, Samsung's Galaxy Tab or Google's Nexus 7 have still been flops if any of them had outsold iPads? Would Blackberry, Windows Phone, HTC's One, Google's Moto X or LG's G2 been flops had any of them outsold Apple's iPhone?



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In fact, while the exact iPhone sales ratio is a closely held secret inside Apple, data from multiple sources, compiled by blogger J. M. Manness, indicates that about 12.8 million of the 51 million iPhones Apple sold in the winter quarter were iPhone 5c, while 6.4 million were iPhone 4S and 31.9 million were iPhone 5s. That number aligns with reports that the 5s outsold 5c by a ratio of around 2.5:1 overall.

That means iPhone 5c sold twice as many units as all Blackberry smartphone sales combined (6 million), more than all of Nokia's Windows Phone smartphone sales in the winter quarter (8.2 million), and in fact, all of Microsoft's Windows Phones sold globally in the winter quarter (slightly more than 8.2 million, as Nokia makes 90 percent of the world's Windows Phones).

Even Samsung's flagship Galaxy S4 reportedly sold just 9 million units in the winter quarter. If you do the math, that's less than 12.8 million.

LG's heavily marketed flagship G2 reportedly sold just 2.3 million units in the winter quarter. That indicates that Apple's mid tier iPhone 5c outsold Samsung's Galaxy S4 and LG's G2 put together.

It's certainly possible that the actual number of iPhone 5c units Apple sold could be less than estimated. Even if for argument's sake Apple sold many more higher-end 5s iPhones for every 5c than the app analytics firms are seeing, it would still mean that Apple's single iPhone 5c model was one of the top most successful smartphone designs created and sold in 2013.

As the ratio of 5c's to 5s's that Apple sold goes down, the amount of revenue it made from iPhone sales overall increases. There's no way around the fact that Apple sold more premium smartphones above $400 (the only kind it sells) than anyone else. The only question is to what degree Apple's iPhone 5c helped the company sell more phones to consumers who would otherwise have considered moderately priced Android models or Apple's own lower end iPhone 4S, an outdated model lacking a Lightning connector or support for 4G LTE.

Plastic vs plastic: iPhone 5c upgraded Android buyers, as intended



Kantar reported in December that almost half of iPhone 5c buyers were switching from Android-based competitors, especially those from Korean giants Samsung and LG. That's quite obviously what Apple wanted the iPhone 5c to do.

It's not hard to understand why consumers are picking iPhone 5c over Android phones: it's a demonstrably better product. Despite being clocked higher and having more RAM, Samsung's Galaxy S4 delivers similar performance benchmarks to iPhone 5c.

iPhone 5c is no cheap, low end slouch. It's a mildly enhanced, discounted version of what was the best selling phone throughout the first half of 2013.



Apple's iOS also makes far more efficient use of included storage. A 16GB iPhone 5c leaves 12.6GB available for users, while Samsung's 2013 flagship hogs up so much storage that only 8.56GB is left. And unlike various higher-end Android or Windows Phone models, Apple's iPhone 5c runs all of the apps and games designed for iOS, including many exclusive titles only on iOS (among those are Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iPhoto and iMovie which Apple now throws in for free).

And yet ostensibly legitimate news sources keep repeating the 5c Failure Meme and even grouse about how Apple might be forced to withdraw the model while issuing embarrassed apologies for it not selling better. None of those same people are also reporting that every individual Android flagship failed, nor predicting that Windows Phone will be canceled next year due to a lack of interest for failing to outsell, across the entire platform, Apple's rewarmed iPhone 5 from the prior year.

It's not true to say that Apple's iPhone 5c is the world's best smartphone, or even an incredible value. AppleInsider recommended that potential buyers skip the 5c and pay $100 more for the faster, fancier iPhone 5s instead, a more capable device with significant advantages, including a much better camera, a much faster A7 Application Processor and the convenience of Touch ID. But calling the world's second most popular smartphone behind iPhone 5s a "flop" isn't just a radical opinion, it's a lie.

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It's a great phone but I see far more of the 4Ss around. The problem is, or rather was, the price. Had it replaced the 4S then it would have been a huge hit.

The new price in the UK, which is not really understood here ( it's a 61% drop in the sticker price) will make a big difference to the 5C sales.

Off contract prices are a different matter.
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well, that is how it works= if you outsell an android phone, let alone all of them, you are clearly doomed to failure.

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Indeed! In other breaking news "Tech Press talk a load of crap about Apple!"

 

And as if they're going to worry about the Flagship outselling the support fleet. Too funny!

 

In my observation, though, the 5c is selling well to a certain non-geek market of ordinary folks who like the look, the colors, the design, reliability and Apple quality. Adding and promoting an 8 GB model for Asia (especially) makes perfect sense.  

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I was just thinking about this the other day; about how the 5c has probably outsold every other phone on the market, yet it's considered a "failure," instead of just missing expected sales figures. Cook should be thrilled that Apple released a cheaper phone, and the vast majority of consumers decided "no thanks, we'll spend the extra $100 plus for your higher quality iPhone."
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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

 

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

 

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

 

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

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It's a great phone but I see far more of the 4Ss around. The problem is, or rather was, the price. Had it replaced the 4S then it would have been a huge hit.

The new price in the UK, which is not really understood here ( it's a 61% drop in the sticker price) will make a big difference to the 5C sales.

Off contract prices are a different matter.

You do realize the 4S is 2+ yo. Of course you'd see more of them.

Still, Amen to this.

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You start to feel like a crazy fanboy trying to defend this stuff.... this non stop hate and hyperbole thrown Apple's way. It's unrelenting. What is going on? Who is behind all this? A simple (albiet very successful) company that makes phones and computers receives so much riducule it's as if they are doing something terribly wrong in the eyes of these editors and hoard of geeks on the forums.

I guess in some respects, they were the same in the 90's with hating on the Macintosh. Still doesn't explain why though.
Edited by quamb - 3/22/14 at 4:58am
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It wasn't a real faillure as in sales numbers, if you want a cheaper iPhone you only have one choice right? But it is a faillure as an idea because I have no doubt that the majority of the people who bought a 5c actually rather would have bought a normal iPhone 5 for that price (like was the case the previous years) than having to buy an 5c. I know I would.
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OH NO THE 5c IS TOO EXPENSIVE!!!

Of course in 6mnths when the iPhone 6 is released & the 5c takes up the 4s spot it will drop in price. Over the past 12mnths Apple has earned a premium price on a mid-tier handset before reducing the price to sell to emerging markets.

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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

 

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

 

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

 

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

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You start to feel like a crazy fanboy trying to defend this stuff.... this non stop hate and hyperbole thrown Apple's way. It's unrelenting. What is going on? Who is behind all this? A simple (albiet very successful) company that makes phones and computers receives so much riducule it's as if they are doing something terribly wrong in the eyes of these editors and hoard of geeks on the forums.

I guess in some respects, they were the same in the 90's with hating on the Macintosh. Still doesn't explain why though.

It's jealousy, plain and simple. Lesser peeps (droid dorks) have been jealous since the dawn of time (or the iPhone) and that will continue. 

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Imagine how popular a plastic iPhone 5s would be. Will there even be one?
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It's jealousy, plain and simple. Lesser peeps (droid dorks) have been jealous since the dawn of time (or the iPhone) and that will continue. 


I use both and see no reason why 'droid dorks' would be jealous of the iPhone. I rather think it's the superiority complex of some fanboys from both sides that tick each other off. In my eyes both are great products in their own right, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

You don't even use one data point to support your position.

You do not address any of the data points presented above.

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I use both and see no reason why 'droid dorks' would be jealous of the iPhone. I rather think it's the superiority complex of some fanboys from both sides that tick each other off. In my eyes both are great products in their own right, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

its not a complex, it is just the way it is by default(jealousy). Lesser peeps use the lesser products. Always have always will.  If you are a lesser peep then fine, you can be lesser by choice, too.

Name ONE advantage of android.

and explain how that is a disadvantage for iPhone.

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I love articles like this! You know, articles based on things like facts, research, and logic. It seems to be a radical new concept, I hope other news organizations steal this maxim as quickly as they repost headlines based on ignorant whimsical vitriol.
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I do see 5Cs in the wild. It is a pretty good looking, quality built phone. I don't get the constant denigration. It's cheaper to build than both the 4S that it's replacing in the mid teir and the 5. And Apple is selling it as much as the mid teir always sells for.

What's even more surprising is the constant discussion about an "oh no!" 8 GB model. Every year they release an 8 GB version of one of their models. It's not unfounded.

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its not a complex, it is just the way it is by default(jealousy). Lesser peeps use the lesser products. Always have always will.  If you are a lesser peep then fine, you can be lesser by choice, too.

Name ONE advantage of android.

and explain how that is a disadvantage for iPhone.

Waiting...


Calling people lesser peeps is a superiority complex. Well first there is real multitasking. I know some people don't need real multitasking and are fine with the pseudo-multitasking iOS offers, but I sure use it. Then there is Google Now (yes I am aware that there is an iOS version as well but isn't nearly as good as the Android version at this moment in time), which works absolutely fantastic for me and is something I think Apple should integrate into iOS as well. (which they already tentatively started doing with Today)

Then there is Notifications. I'm sorry but the Android Notifications are far better than those on iOS. For one they are actionable and expandable.

And let's not forget the ability to choose your own default apps, the impossibility of which I think even the most die hard Apple fan would agree is a disadvantage of iOS. Pretty sure almost everyone at one point had this situation where he/she wanted a different default app and found out it wasn't possible.

 

But why am I even discussing this with you, you clearly never used Android 4.1 or later (and probably never would even try it). And whatever I say you will always think you are right, even if you're not. You seem to be exactly the kind of person I was talking about in my previous post (which exist at both sides).


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Not including the one we have at work, I've seen a bunch if 5c models in the wild. Obviously not as many as 5/5s models but I do see them. 5 was sold for a longer period and the 5S is the top seller.
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Calling people lesser peeps is a superiority complex. Well first there is real multitasking. I know some people don't need real multitasking and are fine with the pseudo-multitasking iOS offers, but I sure use it. Then there is Google Now, which works absolutely fantastic for me and is something I think Apple should integrate into iOS as well. (which they already tentatively started doing with Today)

Then there is Notifications. I'm sorry but the Android Notifications are far better than those on iOS. For one they are actionable and expandable.

And let's not forget the ability to choose your own default apps.

 

But why am I even discussing this with you, you clearly never used Android 4.1 or later (and probably never would even try it). And whatever I say you will always think you are right, even if you're not. You seem to be exactly the kind of person I was talking about in my previous post (which exist at both sides).

I already explained the complex thing. Few could misunderstand it.

Mutitasking? Apple has the best implementation of multitasking on a mobile device.

There is NO google device that will ever be on my iOS devices, ever.

Notifications- I get them all the time and am very pleased with the way iOS does it.

 

So don't reply to me then. You are just the kind of person I described in my posts. Read my sig if you need more help

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I already explained the complex thing. Few could misunderstand it.

Mutitasking? Apple has the best implementation of multitasking on a mobile device.

There is NO google device that will ever be on my iOS devices, ever.

Notifications- I get them all the time and am very pleased with the way iOS does it.

 

So don't reply to me then. You are just the kind of person I described in my posts. Read my sig if you need more help

Actually I'm far from that. The only thing I did was respond to your request. But hey you use whatever you want, there just isn't a need to insult people because their choices differ from yours.


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Imagine General Motors being upset to find that the majority of its customers preferred to pay a 20 percent premium for an option package that included fancier trim, greater horsepower and a lucrative technology/convenience package.

great comparison!... if only the option packages car manufactures provide included all that stuff and a stronger engine!... the so-called option package on the 5S versus the 5C is a far greater value than you ever get on a car, because the option package(on a car) is pure profit. it's something they built into the car but they do not include it, because they want to increase the dealers profit margin.

IMO, apples failure with the 5c was because they did not use the 64bit processor in it...
but, that may have been a conscientious decision on Apple's part, which also means that the 2year old iPhone five will supported as long as the 5c because the 5 has the same guts as the 5c.
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If you opted to study computing in the last 10 years, pretty much anywhere in the world, you would of ended up on Microsoft centric training course....this has produced hoards of anti Mack computer geeks that have ended up heading IT departments, IT publications and IT investment departments..... If this hypothesis is correct Apple will never able to get it right, it has a real PR problem. For many computer geeks Android, in the face of Microsoft miss hits, has become the new Windows. The 5c is seen as a kink in Apples armour, and as such a target for negativity.
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When the 6 is released and prices take the next adjustment, the 5c will be able to put sizable pressure on the mid range presuming they keep it (I think they will). 

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great comparison!... if only the option packages car manufactures did included all that stuff and a stronger engine!... the so-called option package on the 5S versus the 5C is a far greater value than you ever get on a car, because the option package is pure profit. it's something they built into the car but they do not included it, because the want to increase the dealers profit margin.

IMO, apples failure with the 5c was because they did not use the 64bit processor in it...
but, that may have been a conscientious decision on Apple's part, which also means that the 2year old iPhone five will supported as long as the 5c because the 5 has the same guts as the 5c.


The 64bit thing is because they pretty much didn't have a choice. The choice in armv8 architecture is limited at this moment in time. If they wanted 64bit in the 5c it would have probably meant putting the same processor in the 5c as in the 5s (maybe with a small down clock or so). Completely defeating the purpose. It's a practical choice, if they had the possibility to put a 64bit chip in it I'm sure they would have done it (of course there is also a development cost consideration here).

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You do realize the 4S is 2+ yo. Of course you'd see more of them.

Still, Amen to this.

Facts > trolls, media.

At this stage in the upgrade cycle I would expect to see far fewer 4Ss. Still it's all pent up demand. Apple will get our dollars soon enough ( I have a 4s)
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If you opted to study computing in the last 10 years, pretty much anywhere in the world, you would of ended up on Microsoft centric training course....this has produced hoards of anti Mack computer geeks that have ended up heading IT departments, IT publications and IT investment departments..... If this hypothesis is correct Apple will never able to get it right, it has a real PR problem. For many computer geeks Android, in the face of Microsoft miss hits, has become the new Windows. The 5c is seen as a kink in Apples armour, and as such a target for negativity.
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True. However these things are generational. Lots of iOS devs and users who will be executives some day.
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I have always argued that these so-called tech analysts who always predict Apple's doom don't seem to know to know anything about what they say or they are unmistakably confused in their analyses ( I can't remember them getting anything right) and that calls into question their competence. To Daniel Eran Dilger, I say we are both on the same wavelength. I give you 10 out of 10.
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I use both and see no reason why 'droid dorks' would be jealous of the iPhone. I rather think it's the superiority complex of some fanboys from both sides that tick each other off. In my eyes both are great products in their own right, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

Got to give Samsung credit Note 3 is a very good phone & screen size for Notes were ahead of their time.
Really love my 5s & iOS but I will never, not ever buy a 4" phone again.
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Everyone wants to make Apple look like a failure as a company.  I suppose if you don't like a company you just want to believe that everything they do is a failure even if it isn't.  There were so many people that swore the iPad was a failure when it was first introduced because it didn't have the hardware that many tech people thought it should have.  No Adobe Flash and no USB ports automatically supposedly made the iPad an instant failure.  I think any company is entitled to a failure or two.  What I don't understand is why it is being constantly mentioned.  Some of these people make lower than expected iPhone 5c sales seem like it was as bad as sales for Microsoft's Surface RT or the BlackBerry PlayBook tablet.  I'm sure not all of Samsung's various model smartphones sell in the same quantity as other models in their line-up but I don't hear the constant chatter about it.  If Apple made a mistake, that's just par for the course.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  To me, the iPhone 5c seems like a mediocre second-tier smartphone.  I think Apple could have and should have done a lot better putting the 5c together in terms of hardware but I don't run the company and I'm not privy to Apple's accounting books.  I'm just certain that any product that sells in the millions of units shouldn't be considered a failure by third parties.  If Apple wants to call it a failure then they'd be best qualified to judge it as so.

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OH NO THE 5c IS TOO EXPENSIVE!!!

Of course in 6mnths when the iPhone 6 is released & the 5c takes up the 4s spot it will drop in price. Over the past 12mnths Apple has earned a premium price on a mid-tier handset before reducing the price to sell to emerging markets.

APPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SELL ALL YOUR SHARES!!!!

Step away from the caps lock key. Slowly. We have you surrounded.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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You start to feel like a crazy fanboy trying to defend this stuff.... this non stop hate and hyperbole thrown Apple's way. It's unrelenting. What is going on? Who is behind all this? A simple (albiet very successful) company that makes phones and computers receives so much riducule it's as if they are doing something terribly wrong in the eyes of these editors and hoard of geeks on the forums.

I guess in some respects, they were the same in the 90's with hating on the Macintosh. Still doesn't explain why though.

The answer is quite simple of you think about it. Apple plays by their own rules, not the rules set forth by the so-called experts. And that annoys the experts to no end so they retaliate. Simple “I’ll show YOU since you ignored my demands.” That and the old meme “Success breeds contempt.”

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I'm about to find out how good the 5c is. I just ordered one for my wife. A 32 gb for free with Verizon.
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@ brlawyer:   so, you have never seen anyone with a 5c- therefore, by your definition, it is a flop? I think a flop is defined as "completely unsuccessful"- perhaps you'd better check the definition again and increase your definition to include more people than just yourself. At least this writer did his research, unlike many others who simply rely on their name, or paper/magazine's name, to provide credibility-  

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General comments:
*I have yet to see a 5c in the wild
*I think prefer the form/look of the 5c to the 5s
*I prefer the shape/feel of the 3G to the 4s
*I prefer the specs/features of the 5s
*I think if 5s and 5c had the same specs, sales would have been neck and neck
*I think a bigger screen would be welcome- although I find these 5"+ screens look weird
*I think the self facing camera should be the same quality as the main camera
*I think 8mpix is a high enough res
*I can't wait to upgrade my 64 gb 4s to 128 gb 6 (hopefully)

-random anectdotal survey
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My man!
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I am Shock!

Someone at HuffingtonPost is really upset.

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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

What a ludicrously daft post. If you've "never" seen anyone with a 5c, then you must live in a fucking hole. I see them ALL the time, and next to the 5s, its the most common phone I see. When I was in NY it seemed like every 2nd person had one. So really I don't know what planet you're living on, but if you've never seen a 5c it most certainly isn't earth. That, or you never leave your house. The rest of your post is just as absurd and extreme. The 5c is nowhere near a failure, let alone "one of apple's largest market failures ever". You state it is a FACT that the 5c is a flop, then fail to provide a single fact in your post. Do you even know what a fact is? Your rant is devoid of any.
Edited by Slurpy - 3/22/14 at 8:13am
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Simply yet another brilliant article. The analogy to sports teams was off the charts good. Calling out writers by name - it's about time. I often wonder who these sell-outs are hiding behind long-gone reliable names like WSJ, Forbes, etc. who have become the new National Enquirers. If Apple were to develop the cure for cancer, the lead story would be how in ten years time after all are cured, this business will no longer be viable. Yet, on a daily basis social network companies are awarded hundreds of dollars for any name on their marketing list without any clue how to turn these names into real money. Of course, Apple does.
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