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What a ludicrously daft post. If you've "never" seen anyone with a 5c, then you must live in a fucking hole. I see them ALL the time, and next to the 5s, its the most common phone I see. When I was in NY it seemed like every 2nd person had one. So really I don't know what planet you're living on, but if you've never seen a 5c it most certainly isn't earth. That, or you never leave your house. The rest of your post is just as absurd and extreme. The 5c is nowhere near a failure, let alone "one of apple's largest market failures ever". You state it is a FACT that the 5c is a flop, then fail to provide a single fact in your post. Do you even know what a fact is? Your rant is devoid of any.

 

Is this enough or you need more?

 

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

 

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

 

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

I've seen some in the wild in LA, in the hands of various females, in which they look quite good. Maybe tanned or brown skin helps. Something cheerful and tropical about it.

My point is that Switzerland is maybe not so good a place to go 5c spotting. Further point would be that this phone is somewhat culture-specific. "For the colorful" . . . etc.

I've been looking forward to articles like this, glad and not surprised that DED got one in early. It's always been obvious that the Apple Is Doomed crowd, along with the generally anti-colorful geeks, can't wait to pronounce the 5c a failure. Myself, I can't wait till the figures come out at the beginning of next year, when China Mobile's 200 4G markets begin to show their effect. By that time, the 5c may have 5s innards for less money.
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I have a 5c in green and I know several people with iPhones and see iPhones all the time out an about an guess what they're all 5c's as well
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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

 

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

 

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

 

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

What a load of crap.  My daughter has a 5C and loves it 6 of her friends do to.  And a lot of kids at her high school do to.  Most of them either own a 5C or an older 4S.  The fact remains that it outsold all previous tier 2 iPhones.  Which is not a flop any way you look at it.  And if it directs people to spend $100 more on a 5s, so much the better for Apple to sell a more expensive model just as the article said.  The only thing Cook meant when he misinterpreted demand for the 5c is that he didn't realize just how many people would spend the extra $100 on a 5s and adjusted the production accordingly.


Edited by Mechanic - 3/22/14 at 8:57am
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Not only am I seeing the 5c all over the place in malls and on the street in Oz, they seem to have become the default standard for professional women to use on new TV shows (like Rake and Janet King). Apple: masters of free advertising. 

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It clearly depends on where you are. Can people say where they here. Here in Ireland I see far more 4Ss then the 5C. The same looks true in the UK where I visit a lot. Even the 5S seems less visible than the 4S
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Is this enough or you need more?

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

Ooh, another pesky post! What are you talking about? The 5c is 99 USD. The articles you link to are the lies that DED is talking about, are they not?
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You start to feel like a crazy fanboy trying to defend this stuff.... this non stop hate and hyperbole thrown Apple's way. It's unrelenting. What is going on? Who is behind all this? A simple (albiet very successful) company that makes phones and computers receives so much riducule it's as if they are doing something terribly wrong in the eyes of these editors and hoard of geeks on the forums.

I guess in some respects, they were the same in the 90's with hating on the Macintosh. Still doesn't explain why though.

Why all the hate? It’s simple. Apple, in all the surveys I’ve seen, have been and continue to lead in the two most important metrics of all, i.e. ....profitability and usage.

 

One indicates the financial health of the company and the other is the only “real” way to determine the happiness of the customer, that is, how often/much do the customer actually use their device. In fact, sometimes it seems that Apple is so far out in front it would appear as if they are the only ones still in the race. Certainly the rest of the pack is so far behind as to be almost invisible. This puts a huge “bullseye” on the back of Apple...and no one tries to “take down” the runners in the rear. They’re all gunning for Apple.

 

The other thing to consider is the total anonymity of the internet. Posters, like the ones on this and other websites can (and often are) be paid shills for other companies, their own blog, or a “newspaper” they work for that usually depends on advertisers for income. Samsung, for instance, was recently exposed as having paid certain bloggers to blog negative crap about Apple and it’s no secret that Samsung spends far more money on advertising than Apple. The wisdom of Apple is that they learned a long time ago that the best form of advertising is “word of mouth” .... and that can only come from a happy customer base, which is why the Apple focus is on user satisfaction. Always has been and always will be.   :) 

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post #50 of 288

The 5c will do what most people expected it to do when it takes the bottom-most spot of the iPhone line sometime late this year or next year.  (This is really where most analysts thought it should be positioned from the get go.)  It will be a monster entry-level smartphone then, especially profit-wise since it costs less to manufacture than the 4S.

 

Apple's pricing errors are always upwards not downwards.  If they're not sure what the optimal price for a new product is, they will err on the high side.  You can adjust down, but it's impossible to adjust up if you didn't start out with big blaring announcements of 'introductory pricing'.  Which a high end seller never does.

 

5c is an exploratory stab meant to smoke out the characteristics of iPhone demand.  Is there a space for an iPod Mini or Nano type product? i.e. a lower featured but more style oriented line that doesn't sell at a large discount compared to the flagship model?  There is no way for Apple to answer this question without testing the market with an actual product.  Seems like  the answer is "Yes, but not as large as we thought based on the Nano experience."  So Apple learns more about the smartphone market and moves on from there.


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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

Tim cook never said iPhone c sales were flat. He said the portion of iPhone 5s to iPhone 5sc sales was higher than expected.
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GIVE IT UP ALREADY AI!
Even Tim Cook disputes your erroneous BS supposition.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/01/27/tim-cook-admits-iphone-5c-share-lower-than-expected-says-demand-was-different-than-we-thought

Do you read the articles you quote or are you just delusional?

Tim Cook said the 5c did not sell as they expected - more people bought the 5s than they expected. In other words, even though the 5c is the number two phone in sales it is beaten by the number one phone, the 5s. I don't think that indicates a problem with either phone.
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It clearly depends on where you are. Can people say where they here. Here in Ireland I see far more 4Ss then the 5C. The same looks true in the UK where I visit a lot. Even the 5S seems less visible than the US.

Agree that it makes no sense to say you do or don't see them without saying exactly where you are. We might as well do a culture study, however informal, while we're at it.

Not good enough to say you see them in the US or Oz. Where in the US or Oz, and among whom?

Of course not in Ireland, England (except for certain districts of London or new age areas like Glastonbury), of course not in Germany . . . —that sort of thing.
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Apple is indeed held to different standards compared to anybody else. And the standard of most tech journalism is pitiful when it comes to reporting about Apple. There should be anti-pulitzers handed out to many tech journalists for their shoddy and often false reporting about Apple.
 
Imagine if the 5c didn't exist, but one of Apple's competitors instead had released a phone that was virtually identical to the iPhone 5c in features and build quality and performance.
 
You can bet your fat butt that it would be hailed as an amazing phone, an iPhone killer! (iPhone killer #768 in a long line of previous iPhone killers). The 5c is not Apple's flagship phone, but it's easily better than all other phones made by any other manufacturer. It runs iOS, which is the best mobile OS which features the most diverse and best apps, the build quality of the 5c is quite good, and it doesn't suffer from the cheap plastic feel that a lot of the competition makes.
 
And I'm not even sure why anybody even bothers to respond to any so-called lawyers in this thread. Many lawyers are like cheap whores. Even if they knew that their client was guilty of murder, they'll stand there and argue on the murderer's behalf, trying to acquit their client. Right or wrong makes no difference at all. Facts are totally irrelevant. Their job is simply to argue on behalf of whichever side they belong to, no matter how ridiculous, untrue and stupid their argument sounds.
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Many simply wanted the Touch ID on the 5s. It does not mean the 5c is a bad phone.
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That even Tim Cook was forced to admit that the iPhone 5C did not sell as well as expected must make Dilger's (Correction's) head explode.

But... I see the reality distortion field is still strong!

Nope, he said that the 5s sold better than they expected. I see the affinity for lies is still strong.

Edit: Forgot to check who I was responding to. Textbook new-poster troll, this time in genuine boldface. Interesting that he knows DED is Corrections. Probably a recycled identity, using boldface as a differentiator
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Dude, did you even read the article?

 

You're just linking to the same bogus pieces called out in the article for being false.

 

Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it any more true.

 

And if you keep repeating a lie, then that makes you guilty of being a liar.

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Great article!

Re: the punditry ... For some reason I can't seem to recall the SOS from Apple soliciting Help from all these so called experts who are unquestionably more business savvy than Apple. The fact that all these self appointed geniuses have absolutely no skin in the game doesn't seen to matter either. Why so many formerly respectable business publications like WSJ have allowed themselves to be collected up in this mass dumbing down battle against business success in America boggles the mind. One of my first college professors gave me some sage advice many years ago : don't write about something you don't know anything about. I'll pass it along to the pundits.
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$550 is not mid tier, its still high end. Fact is Apple is doing very poorly in lots of countries because it lacks a mid-range phone.
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It's a great phone but I see far more of the 4Ss around. The problem is, or rather was, the price. Had it replaced the 4S then it would have been a huge hit.

The new price in the UK, which is not really understood here ( it's a 61% drop in the sticker price) will make a big difference to the 5C sales.

Off contract prices are a different matter.

What kind of statement is that? First there was the iPhone 4, sold as a new model. Then came the 4S, selling as a new model while the nearly identical looking 4 remained on sale Asa second tier model. Then came the 5, with the 4S as a second tier model and the 4 as the third tier model. Now, with the 4 finally no longer sold in the U.S., the 4S is still sold as a third tier model. So of course you're going to see more of the 4 series handsets out there than the 5c, which in its multiple colors handset has been on the market for only six months. Even if you could tell the difference between the 4 and 4S from a distance, in a case (the only visual difference is the places along the edge where the antenna gaps reside) then you would still expect to see many more 4S models versus 5C models.
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If sportswriting were as disingenuous and misleading as the tech industry's bloggers, it'd be really hard to tell what teams were wining versus who was simply the team favored by a particular observer of the games being played.

 

Does DED include himself in the 'disingenuous and misleading tech industry blogger' category?

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What kind of statement is that? First there was the iPhone 4, sold as a new model. Then came the 4S, selling as a new model while the nearly identical looking 4 remained on sale Asa second tier model. Then came the 5, with the 4S as a second tier model and the 4 as the third tier model. Now, with the 4 finally no longer sold in the U.S., the 4S is still sold as a third tier model. So of course you're going to see more of the 4 series handsets out there than the 5c, which in its multiple colors handset has been on the market for only six months. Even if you could tell the difference between the 4 and 4S from a distance, in a case (the only visual difference is the places along the edge where the antenna gaps reside) then you would still expect to see many more 4S models versus 5C models.

I agree with the points about the 4 and the 4S looking similar. And it's true that the 4S was the top selling top end model for a while, and the 5C was never designed to be the top end. In fact I was about to edit my post to make that point.

But to go back to actual visual data I see maybe 10 times as many of the 4/4S than the 5C here in Ireland. And the UK.

That's provably what the sales data would show. The reduction in prices in these markets may change things, I am one of the few who thinks the reductions are fairly substantial on the sticker price.
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post #64 of 288

I purchased the 5c a couple of weeks ago for my ex at Walmart for only $29 it replaces the 4 and she loves it, she put a lifeproof case on it and you can''t tell it's plastic.

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It wasn't a real faillure as in sales numbers, if you want a cheaper iPhone you only have one choice right? But it is a faillure as an idea because I have no doubt that the majority of the people who bought a 5c actually rather would have bought a normal iPhone 5 for that price (like was the case the previous years) than having to buy an 5c. I know I would.

If those folks instead bought the 5S, then the 5C was a success. Well, we investors see it that way.
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Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

 

Even Apple itself admitted that sales were not "in line" (euphemism for "sorry, we haven't sold that many") - besides, they were absolutely sure that it would sell well in emerging markets and lower strata of industrialized markets; but they did not realize that the 5S was just marginally more expensive, particularly when such phones are sold in instalments or with more expensive plans.

 

In other words, Cook completely misinterpreted demand trends just like what Apple did with the PowerBook when it didn't produce enough units of the specific notebook model really wanted by the public.

 

I have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 

you forgot the /s

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Is this enough or you need more?

 

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

 

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

 

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

you keep forgetting the /s

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You start to feel like a crazy fanboy trying to defend this stuff.... this non stop hate and hyperbole thrown Apple's way. It's unrelenting. What is going on? Who is behind all this? A simple (albiet very successful) company that makes phones and computers receives so much riducule it's as if they are doing something terribly wrong in the eyes of these editors and hoard of geeks on the forums.

I guess in some respects, they were the same in the 90's with hating on the Macintosh. Still doesn't explain why though.

There's a hint in my fake article headline: iPhone found to be favored by girls named Kim, but Samsung Galaxy still number one with guys named Kim
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Apple has a hair in its eye, doesn’t meet expectations with iPhone 5c and it’s doomed. Google has an orchiectomy, gives up on Google Glass and no one seems to care. Go figger.

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At this stage in the upgrade cycle I would expect to see far fewer 4Ss. Still it's all pent up demand. Apple will get our dollars soon enough ( I have a 4s)

Not really. The 4S has been sold for 2+ yrs while the 5C has been on sale for 6 months. 2 yr contracts are expiring/have expired for only a potion of the 4S set. I also have a 4S and my contract expired already. Perhaps when the 5C is a year old, you'll start seeing them more than the 4S.

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Is this enough or you need more?

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

You're quoting bgr and cult? Those guys fit the story to the headline instead of writing a story first.
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GIVE IT UP ALREADY AI!
Even Tim Cook disputes your erroneous BS supposition.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/01/27/tim-cook-admits-iphone-5c-share-lower-than-expected-says-demand-was-different-than-we-thought

Cook also said the 5C sold more than the 4S did last year during the same timeframe.
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Is this enough or you need more?

 

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

 

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

 

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

 

I took the time to read those links, unfortunately, which was a waste of time. So you link to 2 blogs from the same website- one of which contains the word "flop" in the headlines, but then not a single # to back that up, pretty much an opinion piece on why the 5C sucks and other random tangents. The 2nd one is nothing but commenting on the exact same graphs as the third, which is incredibly incomplete and lacks proper context, not to mention being based on a single country. Not a single link is any real "evidence" of anything. And recent metrics have shown that 5C sales are now increasing, after the initial early adopted went for the 5S. 

 

"Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO."

 

What a fucking joke. Yeah, let's ignore all of Apple's incalculable successes and excellent products since Cook has been CEO, including smashing all sales records and revenue records almost every quarter- these 2 blog posts from 3rd tier websites are "clear evidence" that Cook is unfit to lead. Because, under Steve Jobs, every fucking product was utterly perfect and immaculate, right? I love how people like you revise and twist history, and raise the bar to ridiculous heights that did not even exist under Steve, so that you can bash Cook. The 5C "failure" (because it isn't, its a success) does not even come close to approaching many of the duds under Jobs- from software to hardware failures- and you know that. Stop being so purposely obtuse, it creates for some pretty shitty trolling, even by your standards. 

 

I can't imagine what would happen if stuff like the iPod Boombox, MobileMe, Ping, Antennagate, G4 Cube, etc came out under Cook- people like you would probably want to have him lynched, because you've invented insane standards that did not even exist under SJ. You call for Tim's head because the 5C is only the 2nd most popular smartphone in the world- after the 5S- and contributed to record iPhone sales in the last 2 quarters, and expanding the base. Oh no, what a fucking disaster. 


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 ........ Why so many formerly respectable business publications like WSJ have allowed themselves to be collected up in this mass dumbing down battle against business success in America boggles the mind......

To paraphrase Phil Schiller ..... tearing down others is easy, building one's self up is hard.

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Is this enough or you need more?

http://bgr.com/2014/03/13/iphone-5c-sales-china-market-share/

http://bgr.com/2014/01/28/iphone-5c-sales-flop-q1-2014-earnings/

http://www.cultofmac.com/270297/sorry-iphone-5c-youre-flop-china/

Main reason apart from I have already mentioned? In previous times, Apple would lower the older model's price to 99 USD or so, or exactly what has NOT happened to the 5C, which carried a much higher price tag - and don't even come with the nonsensical excuse that Apple deliberately created another product line just to drive up sales of the 5S - no company is THAT stupid. 

Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO.

I really think you don't understand what Apple did to create the 5C or why it did what it did. Simply put, Apple didn't want the old 5, with the same metal case as the 5S, hanging around confusing the market as to which iPhone they should choose. It decided to differentiate the two models by putting the 5 in a plastic case, tweaking a couple minor internals, and slotting it at the exact same price that it would have slotted the 5 had it kept the 5 unchanged as the second tier iPhone. The goal of differentiation was successful and Apple got a minor bonus of of the change in the fact that the cost to produce the 5C in its plastic case is slightly less than the cost of producing the 5 had been. A win/win given the goals. The fact that the iPhone 5C sells in its position as second tier iPhone at higher percentages of total iPhone sales versus the 4S when it occupied the second tier position in the line-up is just one more win for Apple. And the fact that the 5C tends to push more of those buyers who don't opt for it up to the 5S versus down to the 4S is yet another win for Apple. Is there anything else you need explained, or are we done here?
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Why is everybody so unfair to Apple?  

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I'm not a lawyer, so have no bias in defending them. However, I do have a lifelong friend who after a successful career in industry went to law school and became a criminal defense attorney. She told me why defense attorneys take the position they do with respect to clients they either know or strongly suspect are guilty of even the most horrible crimes. And that reason is that by putting up the most rigorous, best defense possible, a guilty verdict, should it come, will be less likely to be overturned on appeal or thrown out on technicality. Defense attorneys feel a great weight of responsibility to society to provide the best defense in order that those jailed for heinous crimes stay locked up.
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Does DED include himself in the 'disingenuous and misleading tech industry blogger' category?

No, again no "moral equivalence," just like with Apple's sales and marketing vs. that of run-of-the-mill lifestyle advertising.

DED's us-against-them theme in many of his strategy pieces like this one comes from the fact that a big chunk of the tech and financial press is aligned against and attacking Apple.

They started it and are the aggressors and so sites like this and DED's general approach are defensively biased. I wouldn't confuse that with the lying campaigns put on by BGR and CNBC, Forbes, etc. Someone should make a list of sites and writers.

What has Apple done to deserve this? Answer: succeed beyond all expectations at making great disrupting stuff that follows their own protected system, smiling all the way to the bank.

Apple plays Othello in this drama, the anti community is playing Iago. Jealousy mostly, hatred of success, and particularly hatred for what they perceive as elitism.
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The title forgot to say:  in the U.S.

I wonder what's the data for the global market?

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Thank you, once again, for a well researched, thoughtful, and well presented article.

From my perspective the 5c was Apple's response to the popular clamour for an iPhone that could compete with low-end smart phones. Successful execution of a low-end smartphone deployment would severly weaken Apple as a company. Consider the resource drain of producing enough low-cost, low-feature phones to make a difference to Apple's net revenue. Sure, Apple would rake in gross revenue but at such low margins that Wall Street would throw a fit and properly declare Apple to be on the road of diminishing returns.

Apple is not out there to produce massive volumes of cheap crap to flood the market. That is Google's job. Google relies on Ad revenue from a massive platform base. Apple is a hardware vendor and relies on convincing customers to buy high margin goods. To do this successfully, Apple's platform must provide some justification to support this high margin. It does this by providing (at little or no extra cost) an effective ecosystem of applications and centrally supported resources.

Cheap Apple phones that properly tie in to that ecosystem are an oxymoron. The minimum resource requirement is too high to access the ecosystem resources and would require dipping into Apples margin (its major source of revenue) to accomplish. The result would be less than optimal user experiences for no relevant gain to Apple (the gained customers would not value the ecosystem, having not been properly exposed to it and would not be candidates to upgrade to the fully supported systems).

In other words a successful rollout of a truly cheap iPhone would be detrimental to Apple. Instead Apple executed (in the iPhone 5c) a replacement to the iPhone 4 & 5 that would not really fit a market niche until the iPhone 6 came out.

The analyst slamming of the 5c is FUD-spreading at its worst. Consider that every 5c that is sold maintains Apple's margin and business model and half of those sold are taken from Android sales. The only negative side to this rollout is the currently-unsold inventory which Cook is a master at managing and will shortly be accommodated.
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When Tim Cook said they may have misjudged 5C demand, it could have something to do with the complexity of the logistics of trying to fulfill the formidable number of SKUs associated with so many colors, memory sizes, and myriad of telcos that they were rolled out to at launch.  They would likely tend to run out of some colors/sizes and be overstocked in others here and there.  

 

As usual, thanks again to DED for his hard-hitting, deep reporting analysis exposing many of the myths surrounding the Apple story.  Why is it so many mainstream tech writers at major publications never pay any attention to top flight analysts who really know what they are talking about?  For example, I looked up exactly whom some major tech writers for the LA Times, Bloomberg, WSJ list as following on their Twitter accounts.  One would expect they would follow at least some of the "solid", more objective, analysts/writers like DED, Dediu, Bajarin, Evans, Ritchie, Elmer-DeWitt, Mossberg, Pogue, Gruber, Dalrymple, Thompson, Arthur, et al.,......But NOOOOO!

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