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Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July

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I can be tracked, so I won't stay after this posting.

Glove is a code name given to a Apple (new) strategy that started the day after Microsoft announced their software as a service model. Glove means "one size fits all". This strategy is designed for the heart of MS's strategy. I know the general specs. After July, only "1" OSX license is required to install OSX on any Mac. Every corporation, printshop, creative house, school, college or anybody is ONLY required to purchase "1" license of OSX. For example, today, a university with 500 Macs and 500 PCs would have to purchase 500 new OSX licenses and 500 XP licenses if they decided to upgrade. When Glove kicks in, that same university would only have to purchase "1" license to install OSX on all their Macs. The license belongs to the entity and not longer for each piece of hardware. As long as you own the license, you can install it on all the machines you want, if you own the hardware of course. Apple believes this changes everything and they think this a solid reason to purchase Apple hardware. It goes completely against MS strategy and gives their customers a way out.

Lucida has been mentioned here before but not by name. Its a combination of a number of threads. It is a digital camera/camcorder. It is designed for the consumer market and it was "also" designed to float in water and can be submerged to quite some depth. Recreation diving is huge and these underwater features was a small engineering task to a grab this large explosive market (digital camera/camcorders). It will blow you away.

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ok, all i can say is at least there will be something to talk about now... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

glove sounds like a good idea, but would be very hard for apple to implement... they get too much revenue from OSx--unless of course they prevent people from upgrading their OS and force them to buy new hardware... i doubt this will ahppen anytime soon...

lucida sounds like too much engineering and research for a small market...

good ideas tho...
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post #4 of 390
the glove sounds like a very apple thing to do, and as far as the camera, they better have teamed up with a good company to pull that one off. i don't want a generic execution of a cool idea, i.e. low resolution!
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Whoami...not to slam your post, but is ipod a POS? I'm sure if apple did a camera, it would be 1st rate, but we'll pay for how great it is. I doubt they would low ball a digital camera, since the competition is fierce....just a thought.
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A digital camera of some sort seemed inevitable for apple after their iPhoto release. But it needs to be pretty special to compete with all the others. I don't know if an underwater feature will do that.

Now if its a digtal video camera with an ipod like HD that would be something better. It would probably have mid-level specs so it could be bundled with an imac and still be affordable.

Apple could do something like glove since they rely on their hardware sales with the OS essentially free anyway. They better get their *** together with better powermacs to make this work though.
post #7 of 390
What a great rumor, the kind of thing that would make the register's front page were it touted anywhere else but here in our playhouse! It'd be OH so very interesting were this to happen!

The hardest thing to police is software, but for people to get your hardware they have to shell out some money or twist the lock off the back door to your warehouse. Making the software help sell the hardware is a great move..if the development costs of the software aren't astronomical....kind of like making a movie if you think abou it...drop a wad of money on the movie, but know that you'll reap rewards as time goes by.

Standing there looking all open-sourcey and license-free is bound to make Microsoft:

a) MAD and,
b) look like money-grubbing capitalists...but,

after all, it's all about making money isn't it?

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post #8 of 390
A digital camera/camcorder is quite a bit harder to get right compared to an mp3 player.
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post #9 of 390
OK. so this guy is worried about being "tracked" and seems to claim that he has inside info. but he gives his first name "allen" and what appears to be a full name "allenmcjones.' granted, be could be lying about it, but if i had inside info and was worried about being "tracked" i think my screen name would be somehting like, oh, i don't know Stroszek? and i think i would probably sign my name as something like, oh i don't know, not my real name?

don't mean to piss on a party, but it's just a thought.
post #10 of 390
The glove reference should be more directed at what Apple should do...take it's gloves off and really go after the other 95%.

With the generally favourable reviews of OSX and the iMac, this is an opportunity for Apple to make a dent and slowly turn the tide.
Unfortunately, Apple still higher prices don't help.
post #11 of 390
True or not, the "Glove" idea is radical and totally interesting.

If true, it would make buying large numbers of Macs actually cheaper than Wintel PCs running Windows.

And it's the one area Microsoft simply cannot follow in, unless they wish to destroy their main revenue stream.

It sounds like a brilliant gamble...
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[quote] b) look like money-grubbing capitalists...but, <hr></blockquote>

Apple has over 4 billion of hard cash in the bank. Thats real money, not short term investments that can be converted...

Besides Apple makes most of its money from selling hardware, the software is largely gravy for them (and a reason to *buy* their hardware).

Apple is pushing really hard on the software end to sell more boxes (witness Digital Filmmaking now at the focus of the pro line).

Frankly unless someone invents completely clean unlimited energy and Star Trek replicators the entire world runs on money. Try to get by without it and you suddenly have a life expectancy of 40 some years, and will probably die of food poisoning, infection or some really big animal will swat you like a bug.

I'd rather have air conditioning, cable TV and computers than take my chances.

[Ever notice the people claiming to live at subsistence levels are always posting to the Internet with their own computer, from an AOL account? Or an exec with Green Peace driving an SUV and living in a giant house with all the lights turned on all the time? What's up with that?]
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post #13 of 390
As for 'Lucida', well, I have no idea, but they've got to have *something* at MWNY besides the long-due revamps of PowerMacs. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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Lemmie get this straight. Some bonehead posts two lame ideas in here and suddenly the ripple of anticipation begins?

Can we get some reality now? The very notion that Apple would begin competition against Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Nikon, Canon -- with an UNDERWATER camera!

You guys take anything, I guess. Though the idea is a good one about taking away the X fees. The company needs to increase marketshare more than OS X profits, and this would help.
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Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....

So what's the deal or am I just tired.
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post #16 of 390
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Okay, I'm nervous and this will be my last reply to this board until I figure a better way of doing this. The hole IP thing has me spooked. No, its not my real name.

I'll try and put a little more spec on Glove. Apple has the one thing no other "personal computer" maker has: Complete ownership. As for glove, you don't have to purchase the license, you can also purchase a new Mac or if you have OSX, you're set. Install away. You inherit the glove license. Apple makes it money on hardware sales and they have timed this strategy to the fullest. Earlier this week it became know that Microsoft was having problems convincing companies to follow their subscription model, I think a 1/3 of their customers have signed up.

Apple will implement glove in two ways, buy a mac or buy a copy of OSX. You can then install as many copies of OSX as you like, as long as you OWN the hardware. (you can only install OSX on Macs right?, right) More hardware sales, Apple wins. I think I'm done with this topic.

Lucida has been built. I don't know the specs, only that its way ahead of anything out there. The whole submerging thing has been an added surprise to the project. They wanted it to be early iBook like, through it in your backpack. Most digital cameras today are very fragile. Apple will try and position the Lucida camera like a Luxury Sport Utility Vehicle. I was told Lucida means something in photograpy, but I don't know what. Powerful, tough, goes anywhere camera. It is firewire based, I do know that.

I might be back.

-Allen
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post #18 of 390
mmm, i think what he is trying to say is that once you plunk down 130.00 dollars, OS X is yours. And major upgrades will be like 10.1 was. Free at apple store, or pay small S&H fee.

interesting....i like this concept
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post #19 of 390
I don't care what the rest of you think, if that Lucida rumour is true then I'm putting my money on the table. I'd be surprised if it were true, but very pleasantly so.
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post #20 of 390
Glove?

You mean something like this below?


No per-user taxes Xserve lets you eliminate the most galling expense in your departments budget: the per-user tax youve been obliged to pay for using server software. Since Xserve comes with an unlimited-client license for the UNIX-based, industrial-strength Mac OS X Server, you can serve thousands of additional users without spending thousands of additional dollars in licensing fees.


<a href="http://www.apple.com/xserve/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/xserve/</a>



Considering that Apple is primary a hardware company and most of its income primary come from hardware, it's not that unlikely from Apple to scream out, you only need to have one single license of our Mac OS X to install it on any number of Macintosh you like it

As for Lucida.

Hmmm... Lucid dreaming?

Ayway. All of these rumors regarding a non-Personal Computer device seems to stirred up a lot o thinking hre. I want to remind you, that the same thing happened before the introduction of the iPod.

So... Please dn't be too disappointed if the thing that show up turn out to be an upgraded iPod under a new name and form.

As for money.

Hmmm... Between paper debt money (like the current U.S. Dollar) and gold, I think I rather take gold.
post #21 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by allenmcjones:
<strong>I was told Lucida means something in photograpy, but I don't know what.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.rleggat.com/photohistory/history/cameralu.htm" target="_blank">Lucida</a> was an early precursor to the modern camera that projected a still image onto a glass surface, where it could be traced onto paper, kind of like a still rotoscope.



The whole "Glove" strategy sounds bold and entirely plausible; as others have said, this will strike MS right in the vitals. Given the high hardware demands of OS X, Apple isn't likely to lose out much in hardware sales. I dearly hope this turns out to be kosher (I'm already looking forward to hearing Steve announce it in July).

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[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: Nonsuch ]</p>
post #22 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by mugwump:
<strong>Lemmie get this straight. Some bonehead posts two lame ideas in here and suddenly the ripple of anticipation begins?

You guys take anything, I guess. Though the idea is a good one about taking away the X fees. The company needs to increase marketshare more than OS X profits, and this would help.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Someone here looks like wanting attention and not getting it because he can't think of any viable rumors himself, eh? First you call him a bonehead with _two_ lame ideas and then go on to say that one of them is actually quite good. This is a rumor forum and if you have a problem with people posting rumors you should simply go away. Hush, hush!

[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy.... So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not quite - the 10.2 update wasn't ment to be free at first. Neither were the OS8-&gt;OS9 ones, iirc. But basically this means that companies/organizations who already have Macs don't need to fiddle with licenses for them anymore. It simply takes the painful (I know the feeling!) coordination burden about "licensed OS versions" in the Mac part of your network away, which many system administrators will _love_. And it might even come cheaper for Apple since with an order of, say, 12 Macs they only have to ship one OSX box with a "you can copy that" sticker on top.

It wont make the purchase of larger Mac amounts any cheaper though, since I don't think Apple will lower the prices of the hardware. It will however add a great user perception bonus, though. Everyone will feel like Apple's actually giving their OS/Software to their hardware as a free bonus and this will make Apple look even more friendly (as opposed to _some_ companies which require you to phone them and ask whether you can install _your_ copy of OS XP on _your_ PC). If it's true that's a very good decision.
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[quote]Originally posted by Stroszek:
<strong>if i had inside info and was worried about being "tracked" i think my screen name would be somehting like, oh, i don't know Stroszek? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe his name is Stroszek.
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[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....

So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>

but not if you buy &gt;500 macs...

firstly you'd get a huge deduction off of retail or standard edu pricing on the hardware, custom software packages are put together and you are charged for site licenses depending on how many computers you use- now you're just buying hugely deducted hardware and 1 site license, sweet deal.

...how much of serveX's price is from osX server?

[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: janitor ]</p>
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[quote]Originally posted by Nonsuch:
<strong>Lucida was an early precursor to the modern camera that projected a still image onto a glass surface, where it could be traced onto paper, kind of like a still rotoscope.[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: Nonsuch ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

OT.

...like a camera obscura?
post #26 of 390
A submergible camera by itself is a horrible idea. A lens scratched by salt water and sand grit? No thank you. Other manufacturers already have underwater housings.
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[quote]Originally posted by janitor:
<strong>

OT.

...like a camera obscura?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's similar. A camera obscura would be light proofing, say, a hotel room in manhattan. You then poke a small hole through the black material you're using to cover the windows, and this becomes your aperture. An inverted image is cast upon the opposing wall.

There was an artist who set up camera obscuras in apartments throughout the city and photographed the results, but I can't remember his name...
post #28 of 390
FYI, Lucida means "light".

Interesting, too, that "Lucid" means "translucent", and can refer to water. Lucid was also a word Apple used to describe aqua at one point. Coincidence? Probably.
post #29 of 390
The glove strategy appears to be a good one. Apple is essentially an hardware company. Already many of their soft are sell for free : i photo, i tune, i moovie. If it can help to win news market especially in big corporations it will rock for them.
However Apple can have income with new services like the Apple care service of the xserve. I think that Apple can push glove and push new costly services in addition.

I dont know if this rumor is a fake, but this idear is great, one of the best in a marketing point of vue i have eard for a while.
post #30 of 390
Unlimited licenses, that's why I'm buying xServe. We have three servers that require four MS CALs, MS-SQL has (or is going to) processor based licensing (what the f*&$?).

I have no qualms about learning a different technology if the administrative cost drops, since my time is spent doing something techy versus learning licensing schemes.

Go Glove! Viva Steva!
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[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....

So what's the deal or am I just tired.<hr></blockquote>

Good point. And you even arrive at the next logical step... almost.

They say that Honda is an engine company that sells cars (maybe there's not a big market on that engine-upgrade thing).

Well, I've always believed Apple is a software company that sells hardware.

What's the Mac without the OS?

Since you've bought the hardware, you already have the OS, as Bigc pointed out. What Apple would be doing is throwing in the OS tuneups for free. Don't auto manufacturers do this now?

I'd like to believe in the "Glove" (I wonder if Gary Payton copyrighted that already?). We've already seen similarities with this concept. iApps are free, but you have to buy the hardware to use it. Then there's XServe, as pointed out above.

This rumor is entirely believable to me. And if someone made it up, it's still a good idea in my mind, and maybe Apple will consider it.

edit: surfing during work hours makes one type too quickly.

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[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....

So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Assuming Jagwire is $99, currently if you have 100 Macs you are supposed to buy 100 copies of Jagwire. Thats $9900!

With 'Glove' you buy 100 Macs running 10.x and when 10.y is released at $99 you buy 1 copy, saving $9801!

So for users with 1 Mac it makes no difference, but it's a big incentive to corporates.
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post #33 of 390
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BTW: If Apple does "GLOVE" They had better do some kickass ads. "Sure, a Mac costs more in the beginning... but at the next OS update, you will have saved xxxxx$" Would be so easy to make a great campaign. And just to keep MS happy include a plug to say that OS X runs Office too...
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post #34 of 390
Both ideas sound great, especially Glove. Imagine the press on that.
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post #35 of 390
hoax, but at least it's an original and interesting one for a change
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post #36 of 390
Glove is interesting and not at all 'too hard for Apple to implement'

I think that OSX sales have for the past year been highly inflated. It's a new OS, plenty of people wanted to try it on machines that didn't ship with it.

Once it becomes the ONLY OS, most people will likely get and use the copy that ships with their machine. Few will upgrade to the successive .point releases.

Apple already gives unlimited client licenses away with Xserve. Selling an unlimited site license to edu/business and allowing multiple home installatuions is a good thing. Enticing for business, and it might actually get consumers to upgrade their home machine's OSes if they knw they aren't going to get nickle and dimed with typical M$ style installation headaches.

This is a good idea.

PS. Apple makes it's money on hardware. Good, headache free software strategies WILL SELL MORE HARDWARE.
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post #37 of 390
I sure hope allenmcjones isn't Macintosh pulling some BS again. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #38 of 390
Didn't Jobs say he wanted 5 million OS X users by the end of the year? That's a way to do it...
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Me too. But I don't think Macintosh is this creative. He's still mastergating somewhere I assume <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

I actually wish these things are true. They sound plausible, and very likely to be successful. Especially Glove, but I'd buy Lucida, as I'm still hanging on with a huge 80s videorecorder!

hmmmm.... Maybe Lucida will use a hard drive!
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[quote]Originally posted by allenmcjones:
<strong>Every corporation, printshop, creative house, school, college or anybody is ONLY required to purchase "1" license of OSX. For example, today, a university with 500 Macs and 500 PCs would have to purchase 500 new OSX licenses and 500 XP licenses if they decided to upgrade. When Glove kicks in, that same university would only have to purchase "1" license to install OSX on all their Macs. </strong><hr></blockquote>

If I recall correctly Educational institutions are actually required to purchase XP licenses for every piece of hardware. That is to say if you have 500 Macs and 500 PCs you have to purchase 1000 licenses.

Can't remember where I saw that now.

Considering Apple is handing out Unlimited licenses with their XServe though something along this line is hardly too great a revelation.

[quote] Recreation diving is huge and these underwater features was a small engineering task to a grab this large explosive market (digital camera/camcorders). <hr></blockquote>

Underwater camera design isn't a small engineering task. It isn't the hardest task but it isn't a small one. I'd be more inclined to say Apple set out to create a durable digital device than target an "explosive" market like diving. Even having come from Australia I have to say that isn't a huge market.
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