Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July - Page 6

i still have that hotline server set up, although at the moment it's not running.

there are a handful of select AI members who have usernames and passwords.

i could set up a username/password for you allen mcjones, and then let you upload it to the server.

the IP changes every time i restart, and i'm not about to run one of those DNS sync. programs. just let me know a day or two ahead of time and i'll leave it up and running and give you the IP. i'll just have to be sure not to restart.

do you have an anonymous e-mail address you could check that i could send your username and password info to? you could just check it that one time then let it die for all i care. i'd send you the IP then as well.

let me know if you're interested. either post here or send a message to my hotmail e-mail account and include my username in the message, or it will die as spam.

-alcimedes

p.s. i may not have 1000+ posts, but that's cause of the damn blackout a while back, and i have a job so can't fart around all day on the boards.

i'm sure a few 1000+ members will vouch for me.

Why not just tell us a little more about it and skip the picture? How many megapixels? What is the hard drive size? Does it do both stills and video? I think that about covers it.

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>OS X has lots of areas left for improvement and refinement, plenty of features left to create and invent...if I could pick one area out in particular that needs more work, I'd say audio. it would be great if OS X, DVD player, iMovie and FCP all fully supported Dolby 5.1 surround sound, and if OS X's audio frameworks were a bit more robust. I would love for my Soundblaster Live to be supported in OS X. These are all areas I think Apple would be better off on focusing their efforts, rather than reinventing the wheel with an iCamera.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree and this is precisely the kind of feature that will attract PC Users .

[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: sjpsu ]</p>

JD,

Apple is a multi-billion dollar company and has I believe 4500+ employees working just at their cupertino hq. their R+D spending has increased significantly over the last year or 2. Resources are not being taken away. they are being added.

I don't think a lack of sufficient workforce dedicated to OS is why OS X is "lagging a bit". I think its just the fact that only so much can be then in a set amount of time. The amount of improvement, change, and refinement to OS X in the last year and a half is simply amazing and having a few dozen more programmers on it likely would not have changed anything. Jobs is on record with what the OS X team is, I can't remember but it isn't that big, somewhere around 150. But obviously thta is what they believe is the best balance between efficiency, cost, and production.

I'd vouch for Alcimedes.

I got whacked by the same blackout. I'd probably be over 400 posts by now if all my info hadn't been dumped. My original membership date was January 1999..one of the oldest posting members to this board...I just don't post as much as everyone else does because most of what I think already gets posted before I get to it. But mostly I'm just lazy.

Still watching for this thread to catch fire. If Mr. McJones doesn't post pictures soon then we're going to start making up our own joke pictures and posting them here....it's just a MATTER OF TIME....

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Drew

if he decides to go ahead and up the picture to me, it might also not be a bad idea to "render" an original concept that isn't copyrighted so that it can't be taken down. just a thought.

if you post the pic you're toast. you post a drawing of something you thought of when you got plastered on a friday night and it just happens to look like a camera type thingy....

well then that's just dumb luck.

-alcimedes

[ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: alcimedes ]</p>

I don't think it's a 'true' photo to begin with...

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t's done.

It flipping bizarre and the design is down right brilliant. The more I look at it, the more simple it is. It screams of Apple. I have just obtained an artist's illustration (JPG) of the "Lucida" digital camera/camcorder project. It looks like a still-life illustration. I've been informed the artist has worked closely with other projects.

Yes, I will give the picture to a single person at my selection and yes, it does have a microphone and 4 ports; firewire, audio-in, audio-out, video/audio out. They are waterproof and you'll understand why once you see the illustrations. Its sooo simple and elegeantly done.
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Dave

he's a lying sack of ****. (what a contribution i just made lol)

point is, if it's something that was created at/by Apple, it's a no go.

a sketch of said same object though, might pass. depends on how close it is to the original.

if i remember correctly, a few web sites were sued by Apple for loss of sales etc. after they posted images of Apple's products before they were released.

a good idea would be to post a "mock-up" of the product.

and for pete's sake, do everything anonymously.

-alcimedes

I have a ftp server setup but I am unsure if it is set right. If people put any trash on it I will kill it without delay. &lt;And I have.&gt;

&lt;address deleted&gt;
login: ftp &lt;account deleted&gt;
it will ask for a email address as password.

then drop the file wherever you can (pictures maybe). If you cannot, sorry, it was my first try at this.

This machine is always on.

&lt;I guess that is what I get for being trusting. Someone here used my machine for serving personal files and priated video and possibly porn, it is all deleted as is the account. Sad. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> &gt;

[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: NoahJ ]</p>

It's late (for me) and I'm off to bed... but I want to leave you with the following link and more fuel for the fire...

<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/25.mpv.php" target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/25.mpv.php</a>

Read the story and then visit I3A (http://www.i3a.org/) (was PIMA - Photographic & Imaging Manufacturers Association) click on members and choose "Associate"... It would have been better to have seen Apple in "Strategic" or "Participating" but still seeing that Apple has been with the group from some time (99 or earlier I think) is a good sign. Also notice another company listed in the "Associate" group? (Foveon Corporation)

And finally this...

"For Foveon to succeed, it will have to convince at least a couple of the large camera makers such as Kodak, Sony and Olympus to build the chip into future cameras. Unless a large customer commits, Foveon won't have the volume it needs to drive down the price of its chips within reach for consumers. So far, none of the large camera makers has committed to do that. Foveon promises some will commit soon."

Taken from the following story:

<a href="http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/2853864.htm" target="_blank">http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/2853864.htm</a>

Interesting I'd say... Then again I'd like for this to be real so.... Only problem is if that last story is right then the either the 'iCam' will not be using Foveon **or** it will be priced just a tad bit higher than we all think... (unless Steve is gonna buy the company)

Dave

[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>

I can at least log in to noahj's ftp, nothing there yet though. have we decided on who will do it, or will allen pick? Let's not bicker, folks, we don't want to ruin this opportunity.

Then again, maybe allenmcjones would rather not ruin this for us just yet... On one hand, I'm dying to see it, but on the other hand I don't want to ruin the surprise, at least not yet! Argh. I'm hopeless.

Anyway, good luck to you allen, whichever route you choose (well, now or later ).

[quote]Originally posted by allenmcjones:
...and for what its worth, this is my last post.
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Is there an echo around here?

Maybe allen is an anagram for james n. collen.

[quote]
I have just obtained an artist's illustration (JPG) of the "Lucida" digital camera/camcorder project. It looks like a still-life illustration.
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Posting an original picture will toast the artist that drew it, but everyone knew that, right?

What a bunch of BS!
(Just trying to get to 1000 posts )

I am not worthy,
Chas

[quote] Quote by DaveGee: Interesting I'd say... Then again I'd like for this to be real so.... Only problem is if that last story is right then the either the 'iCam' will not be using Foveon **or** it will be priced just a tad bit higher than we all think... (unless Steve is gonna buy the company <hr></blockquote>\\

As I asked earlier, how much are we willing to pay if it takes the place of both a high end consumer still and video camera? Every other camcorder I know of offers very poor still quality. I expect Apple will always push the top on this type of stuff just like the iPod. Steve doesn't want just another camera, or mp3 player, or pda. With this ethic comes a higher price in the chosen market. If its worth Apple's time and money to get in this competitive market, I think they better be using the Foveon. Waterproof and rugged may be selling points, but I doubt they will be enough of a breakthrough to cause a stir in such an established market. Add a hard disk, and the ability to shoot unbelievable stills while shooting high quality video and you might make some waves. As for storage space filling up and needing to be emptied, well, Steve would probably think that you need an iBook.

[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: murk ]</p>

Maybe Lucida will be the first device to take advantage of Gigawire. I'm sure they wouldn't want to release a machine with this new technology if there are no devices for it.

Oh, and one more thing a picture will prove very little. Remember the reaction to the leaked Cube photos. The only way Allen can truly prove himself is to steal multiple prototypes and send one to each of us. Everyone needs to start setting up an untraceable chain of delivery. I have a neighbor who is hardly ever home. Please forward it to his house and I'll watch for the UPS truck.

[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: murk ]</p>

The point is, a picture will get torn to shreds if its real or fake.

Remember when macosx.org posted spy shots of the G4 revision (which turned out to be Quicksilver)? The AI boards went crazy with 'its a fake' posts. Turned out to be spot on.

[quote]Originally posted by MrSparkle:
<strong>Maybe Lucida will be the first device to take advantage of Gigawire. I'm sure they wouldn't want to release a machine with this new technology if there are no devices for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It seems Apple including 'FireWire II' (sorry I can't call it Gigawire) on a new Mac and then not have any device to demo it would be an 'uncomfortable moment' to say the least. I remember the 1st intro of FW and between the DVCam and HD demo I was blown away and felt the need to have FW right away.

FWII is done and it's ready (for some time now I think) but nobody has given us any devices of merit as of yet. Being Apple is so close to the 1394 group I imagine Apple knows when the first 'killer app' for FW2 is going to be available and no doubt Apple will have machines ready when that time comes. To include FW2 too-long before that time would only cause the technology to look 'unwanted' and a bust. This isn't something Apple (or the rest of the folks on the 1394 group would want).

After all lets look at what happened to BlueTooth. Sure it's out and sure some phones support it but that's it. Not a single BT keyboard or mouse or trackball or tablet (not LCD type but the 'normal' type used by GA's).

The trade press has pretty much written off BlueTooth and things have only gotten interesting again when Apple made their BT new with OS X support at MW-Tokyo.

Firewire II would have similar issues if it was rolled out in PowerMac's only to go unused for 6 months or more. The press would being to predict its death and move on to 'insert next great idea waiting in the wings'.

A FWII cam from Apple would go a long way in making sure that doesn't happen. Look what happened to the MP3 player market... Pre-iPod things were USB memory-cards and maybe a few CD/2.5HD devices.

Now you gotta know the other MP3 Player developers are ramping up for FW support in their next models too. I don't follow that market too close so maybe some already have come out with FW versions. Apple sure gave em a sucker punch with that one and at the same time moved FW to yet another device.

FWII is different... the fact is todays IDE HDs wouldn't come close to being a good demo of FWII technology. Normal FW is fine for all but the fastest drives. For a reason I just don't understand HD mfgs won't seem to put 'native' FW interfaces on their drives (maybe because with their current HD design native-FW wouldn't make access any faster so why bother... With todays products Video (or TCP/IP over FWII) is the only place I see FWII taking off.

Dave

I'm so torn about knowing more about Lucida. I was fanatical when the new iMac was rumored to exist and eagerly looked at the first images posted at Time Canada. But in the end I was disappointed when Steve did the big unveiling the next day because it wasn't a surprise for me. Looking back now, it's not that big of a deal, and I see the iMac at the Apple Store any day I want. So I say, "Show us!!"

I think the most logical device would be a 'clip-on' camera lens and CCD imager that attached to the top of an iPod (with pass-though headphone jack and Firewire).

This would utilise the iPod's storage and battery capacity and enable still and video capture at [insert your favourite resolution specs here] resolution.

The iPod's screen could even be used for image previews (albeit in greyscale), and no doubt a firmware upgrade will incorporate the necessary camera control operations. Of course, the iPod II will include a minimum 20Gb HD and a colour screen.

Leave your iPod plugged into Firewire for use as a web cam (in conjunction with iChat, natch).

Actually, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense...

[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
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It seems Apple including 'FireWire II' (sorry I can't call it Gigawire) on a new Mac and then not have any device to demo it would be an 'uncomfortable moment' to say the least.</strong><hr></blockquote>

WHich if that were the case would umply his was a MWSF intro since the head of the Firewire coalition says they won't have shipping silicon until late summer. OF course Jaguar="Late Summer", Firewire2=Late Summer <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Maybe we won't Scintillicious PowerMac upgrades at MWNY, maybe later in the year?

Seems to me, the new PMs may be announced at MWNY but shipping in August or September. Maybe a Seybold announcement for Power users. I doubt the new machines will be available immediately at MWNY.

This would still leave time for them to ship with Jaguar and possible Firewire 2.

When are the next Gen Geeforce cards coming out again

The GeForce 5 is due out around August. Yum, Yum!

Is that just a big coincidence that everything we might expect in the new PM is due "late Summer"?

[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong>The GeForce 5 is due out around August. Yum, Yum! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Wasn't the GeForce 4 intro'd by Apple a few days before NVidia released it?

GeForce 5 with tasty hardware and software Morsels...Mmmmm! Gee, I wonder what the NVidia guy meant when he said they some exciting products that would grow their Mac market share soon

Upon further testing I have found that files have to be placed in the root folder, for some reason right now they cannot be placed in the pictures folder. (I am at work and so i cannot fix this.) Just put it in the root folder next to all the other folders. Thanks!

<a href="http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17899.html" target="_blank">Firewire 2 & the Mac</a>

It's worth noting though a lot of Apple's releases are currently aimed for late Summer though.

[quote] I think the most logical device would be a 'clip-on' camera lens and CCD imager that attached to the top of an iPod (with pass-though headphone jack and Firewire). <hr></blockquote>

I think that may possibly be the *worst* way to execute Lucida. My iPod is jammed with music right now....do I have to delete all of it to use the camera? Or do I have to buy another iPod? I've got no problems using the iPod to store additional video on, but if it's the primary storage medium, then that's going to cause a lotta aggro trying to make space for video AND mp3. But I don't think we'll see that happening...

rr.

Definetly looks like apple is going to go after the corprate market. It's a huge market, apple wants a slice. With glove liscensing they could very well do it. Plus, i don't know if this has been said yet, but remember during the release of Jaguar, Steve announced a standard called rendevous that would make setting up networks a sinche. This is something that would really pay off for corporations since they have hundreds of computers, and with the it's not needing to set them up for networking then the it's save time and that means the corporation saves money.

brilliant

[quote]Originally posted by Hobbes:
<strong>Jesus, 'Allen McJones' sure is paranoid.
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well, worker bee got caught did he not?

-Owl

[ 05-30-2002: Message edited by: Owl Boy ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
<strong>Taken from the following story:

<a href="http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/2853864.htm" target="_blank">http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/2853864.htm</a>

Interesting I'd say... Then again I'd like for this to be real so.... Only problem is if that last story is right then the either the 'iCam' will not be using Foveon **or** it will be priced just a tad bit higher than we all think... (unless Steve is gonna buy the company)

Dave

[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is it me or does it seem strange that Nikon wasn't mentioned in that article? If any manufacturer were to be interested in the X3 you would think it would be Nikon. Quality at any expense. Right up their alley.

Flovion shouldn't forget about the medicle imageing industry.
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

[quote]Originally posted by ricRocket:
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I think that may possibly be the *worst* way to execute Lucida. My iPod is jammed with music right now....do I have to delete all of it to use the camera? Or do I have to buy another iPod? I've got no problems using the iPod to store additional video on, but if it's the primary storage medium, then that's going to cause a lotta aggro trying to make space for video AND mp3. But I don't think we'll see that happening...

rr.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bull. All you need is a preference in iTunes "Keep [x]MB of space free for iSpy images"

[quote]Originally posted by Gee4orce:
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Bull. All you need is a preference in iTunes "Keep [x]MB of space free for iSpy images"</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed. there's space for both worlds (of course, apple would LIKE you to shell out more $$$ for the 10 GB version, just to be safe...)

i still stand by my beliefe, though, that the ipod will be a really cool add-on that would slide into the guts of a camera. i mean, hell, it HAS A JOG DIAL BUILT INTO IT, PEOPLE! (much better than a mouse for video scrubbing). plus, i think it would have to slide inside, if rumors of its water-resitant nature are to be believed (i would think clip-ons to the existing ipod just wouldn't be enough).

crap... the wheels are really turning now. follow me on this (and apple, if you aren't planning lucida, i suggest you take a few notes)...

make the next ipod with a color screen lcd (it has been rumored int he past, but we were all like "why would you bother? for full-color menus? itunes visuals? not really necessary...").

but what if, like i said in my previous post, the ipod becomes a not-necessary-but-so-cool-why-the-hell-wouldn't-you add-on to lucida, that offers massive storage space, plug-n-play, a jog wheel for scrubbing through frames of video (or slide show of stills), AND a color LCD for viewing the pictures as you take them, or the video while you shoot little timmy's 3rd birthday.

and, since it is still an ipod working with itunes, you can bring the camera home, with the ipod still inside, hook up lucida to your mac, play your library of music while still having a fully functional digital web cam if you like. and then, if you wanted to just run to work in the morning, just eject your ipod from the camera, and you still have all your music with you, AND you have all those pictures you took to show to friends and co-workers, and maybe some short video clips to boot. true, it would be tiny on that screen, but no worse, really, than the little "wallet-size" crap you get from the photo counter at sears and wal-mart (and without the cheesy "spring meadow" backdrop).

sure, the lucida would work without the ipod, maybe by basic buttons, and just a visual viewfinder, BUT when you use it with an ipod included at your local apple store, your significant other (for most of us, our wives) would have to drag you out of the store kicking and screaming out your credit card number and shipping address.

boom! you have a good product, at perhaps a reasonable price, made FREAKIN' AWESOME by the addition of an ipod. perfect. :cool:

[ 05-30-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>

Posting this illustration might make the author look guilty. As much as I want to see that picture, I don't think it would be right to post it.

So what are you waiting for? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Flame me

[quote]Originally posted by NeM:
<strong>Posting this illustration might make the author look guilty. As much as I want to see that picture, I don't think it would be right to post it.

So what are you waiting for? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Flame me </strong><hr></blockquote>

So I'm guessing your the "author". Alright, if it will save your butt, I'll side with you, but only if you tell us if it uses the Foveon chip.

[quote]Originally posted by murk:
<strong>

So I'm guessing your the "author". Alright, if it will save your butt, I'll side with you, but only if you tell us if it uses the Foveon chip.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

"As much as I want to see that picture"... Some might take that as a hint, saying I'm not the author.

And if I was the author, you sure wouldn't see me on this board ...

As for your last question, Yes it will use the Foveon chip... Which brings up the next question WTF is the it I'm referring to?

This thread seems to be divided... Some are arguing crap about Mac OS X (wrong thread..), some people are arguing about their own personal ideas (which seem to me most inelegant and unlike what Apple would do), and those of us waiting for this famed "artist's rendering" image of the Lucida camera, to be anonymously posted by one allenmcjones on his AI member server of choice (well, and those debating if it should be posted at all).

So let's just not clutter this up... allenmcjones, are you going to post it?

People with servers, has anything been posted yet? And if something was, what would you do with it, spread it, or trash it? How are you going to spread it-- will you post it here and have it taken down, or email it to those who ask, or will you perhaps modify it in photoshop so it isn't the *exact* image from Apple (so less chance of getting in trouble)?

I feel that Glove has a very good chance of being true, and I'm quite sure Lucida is a project Apple is at least working on. I'm not so sure about this allenmcjones character, but I'd like to believe, a LOT. I do understand that he might get caught though, and I don't want that at all for him, and I also understand that he might not be able to leak the picture, or maybe he's having second thoughts.

Updates, anyone?