or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July - Page 7

post #241 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by othello:
<strong>The point is, a picture will get torn to shreds if its real or fake.

Remember when macosx.org posted spy shots of the G4 revision (which turned out to be Quicksilver)? The AI boards went crazy with 'its a fake' posts. Turned out to be spot on.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

yep, i do remember. and when the cube images were leaked ahead of time, lots of people (including me) thought there was no way they could be legit. i ate crow a couple days later.

fact is, apple is tighter than the proverbial drum these days (the public hangings must have worked, steve), and anyone who thinks they know what apple will do is just hypothesizing anyway. and if anyone knows true dirt on new apple products and do spill the beans, they are definitely risking their career livelihood to do so.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
post #242 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by MicrosoftOsXp:
<strong>Definetly looks like apple is going to go after the corprate market...

brilliant</strong><hr></blockquote>

As Microsoft learned, the home follows the Corperate market in the Desktop market due to the use of crossover applications (home/buisness).
post #243 of 390
[quote] Bull. All you need is a preference in iTunes "Keep [x]MB of space free for iSpy images <hr></blockquote>

If you're talking still images then yes. If you're talking video (which we are) and Lucida requires iPod to work, then I'm going to have to go out and buy a second iPod. People out there are using 5gigs of music. 2.5 gigs video and 2.5 gigs music? Sounds like a compromise, not a solution. If the iPod connects to Lucida it'll be supplementary (which is an excellent idea) not required (which is a horrible idea).

And if it IS supplementary, the you're not going to use the iPod's screen as the viewer as presumably Lucida will already have it's own. And if it doesn't, then it'll be a cut BELOW existing video cameras.

Think elegant and think simple.

rr.
post #244 of 390
A camera might be too much for Apple to design on thier own. I mean they can't spend the R&D on optics that Nikon or Minolta spends. When thinking about these types of devices, however, consider the way the iPod was designed.
<a href="http://www.designchain.com/coverstory.asp?issue=summer02" target="_blank">DesignChain iPod article</a>
When they said "Think Different", I ran with it.
Reply
When they said "Think Different", I ran with it.
Reply
post #245 of 390
Well, it has not been a couple of weeks yet, but I have seen nothing on my ftp server yet.
NoahJ
"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err." - Mahatma Gandhi
Reply
NoahJ
"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err." - Mahatma Gandhi
Reply
post #246 of 390
I guess he's either still drawing the picture or Steve caught him and has his toes clamped in an iMac Superdrive trying to get him to talk...
Thoth
You can fly?!?
No. Jump good.
Reply
You can fly?!?
No. Jump good.
Reply
post #247 of 390
Well, I guess "glove" is turning out to be a load of hogwash...

Macminute is just now reporting that Apple has a new "Maintenance" package for OS X, which requires a minimum of 10 seats to opt in, and different price schemes for 100+, 1000+ users... and that defies the possibility of "glove" (1 OS license for all the macs you own, 1 - 10,000+). If Apple has a three-year plan to charge different upgrade rates based on the number of licensed seats, then "glove" can't happen any time soon. Or so I think, somebody can prove me wrong (I'll gladly accept the good news).

Here's the scoop:

June 1 - 00:50 ETÂ*Â*Apple is offering a new program that will provide users of Mac OS X the opportunity to receive major releases of the company's industrial strength operating system over a three year period. The Program, which will apply to Mac OS X exclusively and not OS X Server, will allow customers to receive future upgrades to the OS as part of the agreement.

Payment is required up front and covers major releases of Mac OS X that Apple includes in the Program during the three year term, however, education accounts that are legally required to purchase software on an annual basis will be exempt. The minimum purchase for the Program is 10 seats, whether purchased for new or existing hardware. Cancellation refunds will not be accepted during the term, but customers will have 14 days in which to cancel once the agreement is received in the mail. In addition, Apple states that the "Maintenance Program purchase takes place on a transactional basis, like Apple's existing Volume License program." A maintenance agreement, data sheet, and sales presentation will be available in the immediate future.

The pricing structure for the Program is as follows:

Number of Users\t- Retail price per seat\t- Education price per seat
10-99\tUS$69 per year (Three-year total: $207)\t$49 per year (Three-year total: $147)
100-999\t$59 per year (Three-year total: $177)\t$39 per year (Three-year total: $117)
*1000+\t$49 per year (Three-year total: $147) $29 per year (Three-year total: $87)

- From <a href="http://www.macminute.com/lib/020601osxma.shtml" target="_blank">Macminute.com</a>

[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: pathogen ]</p>
post #248 of 390
poof!
You're going sane in a crazy world!
Reply
You're going sane in a crazy world!
Reply
post #249 of 390
(sniff, sniff)

I smell... vapor?

sym
____

All your base are belong to this file I send in order to have your advice.
Reply
____

All your base are belong to this file I send in order to have your advice.
Reply
post #250 of 390
Ok, who is still waiting for Lucida?

"My 8th grade math teacher once said: "You can't help it if you're dumb, you are born that way. But stupid is self inflicted."" -Hiro. 

...sometimes it's both
Reply

"My 8th grade math teacher once said: "You can't help it if you're dumb, you are born that way. But stupid is self inflicted."" -Hiro. 

...sometimes it's both
Reply
post #251 of 390
look, i don't see how some of you can say glove is vapor ware based off this macminute report. this does sound as if it is glove, but the details of the inital glove report were either poorly collected, or poorly worded.

recall that when apple did their "freesupport for the life of your computer," they really shot themselves int he foot, offering support for performa 6520's to this day (due to that lil' lawsuit). so perhaps this is in prepapration for the massive free licensing, so that apple isn't stuck offering full tech support for 8 billion disk image copies floating around ont he internet.

apple does have to cover their ass so it doesn't get burned like last time when they tried a blanket policy such as this.

all this report does is reaffirm to me that lucida DOES exist, in some way, shape or form, and that allen has SOME information that is totally legit. perhaps he has also seen a prototype (but maybe not the final frozen plastics).

[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
post #252 of 390
I also think that the MacMinute report could be a kind of confirmation of the Glove concept (even if some of the details were incorrect). For large sites, the Apple OS X Maintenance Program will offer significant savings over the long haul. It sounds like the basic concept was interpreted through at least one level of rumor-mongering; leading to inaccuracies.

So... What about Lucida? If we make the general assumption as stated above, then we are left with a vague hint about some kind of digital device; with many of the details actually wrong.

My personal hope is that all that stuff about underwater photography was rumors-run-amok and the true device (if there even is one!) will turn out to be a nifty webcam that works seamlessly with an iChat that is far more than what we've seen with the Alpha release of Jaguar. - OR - A webcam that works with QT6 Broadcaster and a person's iTools account; so that you could have some kind of web-based, browser-based, video-conferencing setup (which might actually be closer to the mark than iChat).

The silence coming from Apple is truly deafening. My hope is that this bodes well for a somewhat-overpriced digital hub device. It may have nothing at all to do with imaging, but this Glove & Lucida rumor certainly seems to have legs.

dws
post #253 of 390
As for a camera, is the consensus that Apple would be making a high-end DV/Still camera? I wouldn't expect them to go low-end myself, so I was trying to think of features a high-end consumer/pro-sumer camera might have and there's only one I could. 24 Frames per second. If Apple could squeeze that feature into a DV like camera, it would make a splash.

Anyone have any idea why it has only been done in a $100,000+ camera?
"Hearing a corrupt CEO like Cheney denigrate Edwards for being a trial lawyer is like hearing a child molester complain how Larry Flint is a pervert." -johnq
Reply
"Hearing a corrupt CEO like Cheney denigrate Edwards for being a trial lawyer is like hearing a child molester complain how Larry Flint is a pervert." -johnq
Reply
post #254 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
<strong>

I've been saying this for some time as well... I think Steve made too big a deal about the 'issues' he was having with that camera demo. It almost seemed (to me) a bit staged...

The man knows computers for goodness sakes and he's not exactly shy when it comes to getting up on stage. That not luck, it comes from knowing what you are doing (plus lots of practice) and I'm pretty sure Steve wouldn't be the type to get on stage an use a product he doesn't know how to operate. Unless that is he was trying to set things up for a future product event.

Then again it could nothing....

Dave

[ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Been away for a week, so just catching-up on the posts...

Dave... Why on earth would that be staged... I watched it MANY times and it was one of those things that just "happened". Jobs was getting frustrated because in the front row... one of his "people" kept "explaining" what to do to Steve, and he was frustrated because he WAS (or so he thought) doing it right... so his frustrations were more along the lines of:

"Here... you're so smart... YOU fix it..." to the person in the front.

It's tough to be on stage in front of HUNDREDS of people live, and dare I say MILLIONS worldwide via video stream or satelite and have a demo that "should" be flawless, go wrong. There are people that are there to make sure... QUADRUPLE-Check... to make sure that everything will follow the script and work... likewise, Steve cannot go off-script for fear of crashing the fragile beta OS or App that he's demo'ing. When it goes wrong... it sucks, and you tend to get frustrated.

You give him (or Apple) WAY too much paranoid credit to think that it was staged...

...or... I'm totally wrong... but I doubt it.



- Scott
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
post #255 of 390
or maybe that whole incident was what caused steve to go...

"well damnit if these don't work right, them maybe we should make one of our own... only mucho bettero"

ya neva know
The Reverand Cutler
(ordained on the net sience 2000)
formerly Slc57
Reply
The Reverand Cutler
(ordained on the net sience 2000)
formerly Slc57
Reply
post #256 of 390
theWhen I first read <a href="http://www.macminute.com/lib/020601osxma.shtml" target="_blank">the MacMinute article</a>, referenced above, I thought.. well damn, here's our Glove. I better go over to AI to blab abou-- wait a minute here. This is only for 10-1000+ seats, and half of the whole deal is for education. This can't be glove.. this has got to be Apple's way of getting money out of businesses/organizations/education.. and that means it does nothing to prove or disprove that "Glove" exists, though it does make it seem a lot more likely that a more consumer-oriented change in licensing schemes are coming down the pipeline, i.e. Glove. So don't lose hope, unless you want to be a pessimistic naysayer eating your words, come Tuesday (or MacWorld, at the latest ).
art may imitate life, but life imitates tv.
Reply
art may imitate life, but life imitates tv.
Reply
post #257 of 390
<a href="ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icam.jpg" target="_blank">lucida</a>
post #258 of 390
I can't access the content of that ftp server in either port or passive mode.
post #259 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Da Reverand Cutler :
<strong>or maybe that whole incident was what caused steve to go...

"well damnit if these don't work right, them maybe we should make one of our own... only mucho bettero"

ya neva know</strong><hr></blockquote>

STEVE: Dammit, I hate batteries Ruby! Ive! Make me a camera with a nuclear power device that will *never* run out during keynote. It must fit in my pocket.
RUBY: Uh, Steve
IVE: But...
STEVE: Goddamit, make it work by MWNY...

lowfi
post #260 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by lucida:
<strong><a href="ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icam.jpg" target="_blank">lucida</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Good thing she had her nose hairs trimmed before that shot was taken!
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
post #261 of 390
&lt;sigh&gt; good ole incredibly blurry picture with little or no descernable details. How I love the months leading up to MacWorlds...



Edit -- my ISP started denying port 80 access... bastards

Edit3 -- a bit of a workaround
[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: JustAGuy ]

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: JustAGuy ]

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: JustAGuy ]</p>
post #262 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by allenmcjones:
<strong>It's done.


Oh, one more thing, "Glove" licensing might happen sooner than the July show because of this thread. First a trial ballon with the education market (to see what happens with a Microsoft reaction), then most likely complete glove licensing for EVERYONE when "Jagwire" ships.

-Allen</strong><hr></blockquote>


anyone else curious why he called it "Jagwire" rather than "Jaguar"?
Dfn Eupfhoria: the joy of playing the 21st level of marathon.
Reply
Dfn Eupfhoria: the joy of playing the 21st level of marathon.
Reply
post #263 of 390
[quote]<strong><a href="ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icam.jpg" target="_blank">lucida</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Lucida looks nice. Red hair and freckles. Do you have better shot of her?

BTW: What is that oversize Lego truck tire she is holding? Some kind of CyperPurse?
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
post #264 of 390
If that's the camera then we are going to get crappy pictures. Look at how small the lense is. It would only be good enough for use as a webcam. Let's hope its a fake or a product from another company. I think that is the case or at least I hope so.
Stuck in an infinite loop waiting for an Apple PDA...

apple.otaku
Reply
Stuck in an infinite loop waiting for an Apple PDA...

apple.otaku
Reply
post #265 of 390
Here's my own insane composition for a waterproof combo video/still camera

"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
post #266 of 390
And perfect for breaking young american soccer players knee caps.
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
post #267 of 390
Interesting!


Nice lips.
post #268 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>If that's the camera then we are going to get crappy pictures. Look at how small the lense is. It would only be good enough for use as a webcam.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As a matter of fact I think the picture was taken with its duplicate.
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
post #269 of 390
Now all we need is some exclusive video on spymac and the world will be complete
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
post #270 of 390
Boy I hope that shot wasn't taken with "Lucida."
post #271 of 390
Is Lucida your girlfriend NoahJ?
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" - President Bush
Reply
post #272 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>And perfect for breaking young american soccer players knee caps.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Someone's got to keep fine 'merican youth from being corrupted by that furrin game
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
"Moo" said the chicken
"Cluck" said the cow
Dr. Frankenstein rubbed his hands together with glee
Reply
post #273 of 390
This seems like fun, but I can't access that ftp server... anyone care to repost "icam.jpg"?

:cool:
post #274 of 390
art may imitate life, but life imitates tv.
Reply
art may imitate life, but life imitates tv.
Reply
post #275 of 390


[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: low-fi ]</p>
post #276 of 390
Well, if this iCam, i wonder how long my iTools account will be alive for...
post #277 of 390
Please pardon my skeptecism... and yes, I'm prepared to eat crow if I'm wrong... but that unit does NOT look Apple-esque by ANY means to MY eyes.

The way the edges terminate... the overall design... it just seems too "Apple-Wannabee" to me. Just like when Compaq started making candy-colored computers... sure, there were transluscent plastics in candy colors, but the actual DESIGN and implementation was cheesy... as is this little white & gray hockey puck.

I really hope that it's NOT an Apple product... I will have lost my admiration for Ive's design innovation if this truly IS their work.

My belief is that this is NOT an upcoming Apple product, but rather some sort of prototype or product from another company or someone's home-made experiment... or something of that nature.

Only time will tell.
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
post #278 of 390
well, the main reason i feel this may be legit is that it looks like no other camera i have seen on the market so far. i mean, the panasonic new SVAV10 mini-video camera is incredibly small, but it does still look like a VERY SMALL version of everything else out there...

anyway, anyone want to go delving into the u.s. patents recently to see if johnny ive or apple have registered anything resembling this?

plus, it'll probably be priced just out of my price range, as everything apple does these days. $499?

but i thought steve's big thing these days is silver for professional stuff, all-white and chrome details for consumer devices. are those "graphite" colored plastic details on it? that's just soooo 2000.

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: rok ]

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
Reply
post #279 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by rok:
<strong>but i thought steve's big thing these days is silver for professional stuff, all-white and chrome details for consumer devices. are those "graphite" colored plastic details on it? that's just soooo 2000. </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's my point... it seems too "knock-off" for me...

"Hey, let's jump on Apple's color scheme again to make our products more acceptable to the Mac community..."

Just like almost EVERYTHING at a WalMart or Target store back a few years ago were transluscent and candy-colored... pencil holders, calculators, speakers, tissue box cozies... etc. I just think it looks like someone trying too hard to look like what Apple currently IS... not what they WILL be.

Every new product seemed to be a departure or advance of a current styling... the iMac, the COLORED iMacs, the G3, the G4, the iPod, the NEW iMac... they were all what we did NOT expect... this camera thingy looks like what you WOULD expect... hence my disbelief.

Again... I'm fully prepared to be wrong on this one, but I have strong doubts.

- Scott
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
- insert witty comment here, summing my personality and beliefs into a nice, simple package for others to understand -
Reply
post #280 of 390
The other thing to consider is that this could be an early prototype, not the final shipping thing by any means...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Future Apple Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July