Project "Glove" and "Lucida" in July - Page 8

[quote]Originally posted by low-fi:
<strong>The other thing to consider is that this could be an early prototype, not the final shipping thing by any means...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Definately considered it... hence the "Ready to eat crow" statement... but to be honest...? That looks like a "Staged" shot to me... not a "Spy" photo... Apple would NOT be taking photos like this of early prototypes or something about to ship. They would have MUCH more professional shots done in the current "Mac" styling of marketing.

Sure... it could also be "Intentionally" mocked-up dissimilar to an actual shipping product for misdirection... similar to how car makers put on faux body panels to new car models when they're out for testing on their test tracks to prevent spy photos from leaking the new designs... but again... something just tells me that this image is NOT of an Apple product.

I have my fork, knife and ketchup... ready for my crow dinner... let's hope it never comes.

- Scott

What application does the creator code "JVWR" refer to?

I looked at the "lucida photos in iView media pro and they had JVWR as the creator code, but a search on apple came up with no results. Not sure that this proved anything but it is curious.

-ray <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Problem solved. JVWR = JEPGviewer

it's been awhile since I have seen anyone using that program.

-ray

if it's real then somebody's gonna get a spanking!

drewprops

Sure that thing fits in her hand just dandy...but what about the rest of us big-handed guys? I'd probably be reaching around the dang thing.

silly thought, but spart's comments got me thinking... what if THIS is "glove," and they intend, by its design, to fit in your hand, one-size-fits-all?

wouldn't be the first time an insider had most of the info. right, just mixed up. hmmm...

...and we have been host to workerbee...

How about this:

this is came from one of the DV site,



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OK dv-meisters... There IS a proto-type camcorder floating around
the Beta Test circuit... it is NOT by any of the majors like Pana, JVC
or even Sony... it has little or NO moving parts... here's why. It has
a 3 to 6 hour storage... it does not Need a battery, unless you call a
watch battery a battery! So you do not need to charge it, it will
charge in about an hour and last a day, charge in a day and seemingly
last a week... really. It has no motors, no tape, no spinning disc or
spinning anything... it is all solid state... a sort of... memory chip.
It's high def but it does have in addition to a single FireWire port
a USB in and out pair of sockets, an S-video socket and a BNC socket.
It comes without a lens. I was told 'C' mount types will eventually
be fitted. It had a Fujinon lens but I was told there are also other
options available such as Leica, Zeiss and even Century! Weighs
only a few pounds. It was bronze chromatic finish BTW and it was
said to only cost about $1400 with out the lens. Will come with
the 'C' mount adapter.
More this weekend...

cm

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IT does have Firewire & Hidef.

Hmmmm.



[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: kormac77 ]</p>

Here we go

BTW: I still want some info on the girl

Screw the camera I want the girl!

Or was it screw the girl...

Oh please. 1 day's worth of charging lasts for a week? In your dreams. Solid state? No WAY there is enough room for 3-6 hours of real dv footage on anything solid state! USB, FireWire, *and* BNC?! Are you kidding me? What the hell is the USB for? DV footage over USB would be a *nightmare* dude. And BNC? In a DV camera?! How stupid is that, how many people even have BNC connectors? Who the hell would use it? That's just ludicrously in the wrong direction... like most of your posts seem to be, kormac.

Anyway, back on topic... all of the images seem to be around, why isn't Apple legal jumping on this? The author had to know that if it weren't taken down, we'd all know it was a fake.

This is starting to remind me more and more of the iWalk stunt.. this "camera" reaks of Spymac. The round shape is stupid if you ask me, the lens is all wrong, the side looks like it might be an lcd screen but it looks more like a piece of paper with nothing on it but some odd line/rectangle shapes.

Hey I both said it first AND outrank you Junior. She is mine

you know i was about to make another comment on the girl when i started thinking. she is german. i have' the faintest idea why i think she is but she really loks german to me. And supposing that she is, does anyone remember where that iwalk thing came from? hmm. oh well just a thought at four in the morning so don't get too mad if i raise some doubt or incur tons of laughing. but just cuz i ofund kormac's post interesting, a week of battery could be used as a sale gimmick. just like the phones that you can only talk on for 3.6 hours but have a seven to eight day standby time.

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: myahmac ]</p>

OMG your right. I saw that exact shirt on Alexander Platz a month ago. And that colour of lipstick is soo hot in Kreutzberg right now. She must be... wait a minute. What the hell are you talking about <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

If anything she looks scottish with that pale skin. She just forgot to colour her hair black and put on some black clothes...

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</p>

Has anyone seen a wrist wearable dive computer? I do a lot of scuba diving, and a dive computer is a necessary item to calculate all sorts of exciting and wonderous things. I have a suunto model, and guess what? It happens to be absolutely identical to 'lucida'. With computer port and all. I'm really not sure how a woman holding a dive computer relates to Appleinsider...

As a diver of many years I can attest that this photo of lucinda does indeed look somewhat similar to a Suunto computer, but it appears to be a fair bit larger than their computers are, this is based soley on the proportion of hand to "device". I do however believe that Kormacs little tidbit, could lend a whole lot of credibility to the whole lucinda concept. The fact that the poster didn't believe that there were any moving parts could be because he couldn't see or hear them, ala ipod's harddrive.

Also the original poster provided info regarding submersibility, based on the very blurry picture, I would say that it could be possible.

I believe that a previous post also stated "seemingly endless" battery life... that is probably a comparison to standard mini dv recorders that only last around 60 minutes (with a standard battery)... who knows with MPEG4 and a 10 gig harddrive you could probably get a whole lot of video on one "disk". I think that the likelyhood of us seeing a lucinda from apple is growing a lot higher with some of the recent information that is coming to light. The problem however will be the price, I would guess around 1000 - 1200 dollars or so.

I've been around these boards for over 3 years now, and I must say, most of the time I don't think that it is worth posting. But given my interest in digital video and cameras, I thought I'd toss in my two cents. Kormac whether or not you believe him is a legend around here, where are eskimo, christoff, the real kim kap sol? ah the good old days... too many pesimists here, think positive, think different. And if you don't like the specs of Apple hardware go buy a PC. Apple isn't going anywhere.

Kormac, which DV site did that post come from? I'm interested, please provide a link.

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: superd ]</p>

TheSloth:

Could you provide a link, or post a picture, of said diving computer?

As far as the "thingy" is concerned, it's ergonomically all wrong. Think about the controls necessary for a webcam - where would you put them? Under the two fingers on top? And where is the microphone? Add to that: there is no lens - at most a hole - and if the idea is to put a lens on, then the aesthetics would be even worse!

As for the girl: the nails are definitely American - not German, not Dutch, not Scottish.

Now, back to the topic at hand....

There is a fine line between thinking positive and jumping on every shaken picture, on plasticmaking guys, promises of way out technology etc.

BTW: A hd is very much something that moves. Actually several thousand times faster than a tape. And I would think that MPEG4 encoding takes a lot of processor power, esp. if done in real time. Of course the battery could take up the place of the tape but what have you gained? Afaik MPEG4 was developed for low bandwidth (not as in 56k but as in difference between the medium and the information you want to send). By using that you limit yourself in a very early stage of production.

Sorry, but to me that image looks Photoshopped. She's holding something round, no doutbt, but that plastic screen came from somewhere else.

There is not a trace of a shadow beneath her thumb...nor is there any reflection of her thumb in the plastic. If this was really a small LCD it would be pretty reflective (put your thumb on the screen of you iPod and you'll see what I mean).

[quote]Originally posted by kormac77:
[QB]How about this:

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Weighs
only a few pounds.
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<hr></blockquote>

Aside from the questionable specs...something this small that weighs "a few pounds"? What's it made of -- lead?

- it's kreuzberg, anders...

- i fell in love with the girl...

- the lawn on the picture looks exactly like the lawn at infinite loop...

It seems very hard to hold on to... Imagine trying to grip that when it's wet during diving. It seems likely you'd slip, I say it's hard to believe that this is a final apple product.

What's the connection between allen and the guy who posted this picture? Doesn't look like a piece of "art" as it was supposed to be. Is the picture just a hoax, inspired by the info from allen?

- it's kreuzberg, anders...

- i fell in love with the girl...

- the lawn on the picture looks exactly like the lawn at infinite loop...

Here's my anal analysis. If you think that the ramblings of a moron are worth anything, read on.

On the "lens" area, I see a dark line in the surrounding grey plastic. Like the kind you would see in cheap, soft plastics. Not very appley. But, this may be a prototype.

I don't see a vey big area for an LCD screen. Unless, it's on the side, which doesn make very much sense, ergonomically.

Usually, "spy photo" photographers remove any evidence of the location that the photo was taken in. In this photo, you see that the image is outdoors, and you get a pretty good idea of who the photographer was with when the photo was taken. Seems a bit risky.

If the photo was taken with the same device that is in the photo, it defenitely does not have a foveon X3 sensor, as was discussed on other threads. Too much color noise. I think Apple want to use this amazing new tech, if they could.

I also want to see more of "lucida girl"

Anyone agree/disagree?

<a href="ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icamgirl.jpg" target="_blank">girl</a>

for Strangelove, Anders, Dennis the Phantom Menace et al

The girl is in fact English...

She works in Cambridge...

She has tested more gadgets than any of us could dream about.

[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
Afaik MPEG4 was developed for low bandwidth (not as in 56k but as in difference between the medium and the information you want to send). By using that you limit yourself in a very early stage of production.<hr></blockquote>


True... but does that look like a production camera to you? No, what this is ....is a suped up PixelVision!!!! man I miss those things... shoot grainy b+w video onto a standard audio casette... edit in your tape deck.... dedicated real-time mpeg chips are a lot cheaper these days.... but yeah mpeg4 wouldn't make sense if you were gonna edit it later....


according to some site, DV is 3.125 MB/sec which equals @11.250 GB/hour.... hmmm.... that would only be 53 minutes on an unformatted 10GB ipod drive...

...and where is the microphone jack?....

my guess is that if this exists it is primarily a digital camera (not a dv cam) that may be able to also record short 15-30 second mp4 clips (with sound?)... and maybe a webcam to work in conjunction with QuicktimeBroadcaster...

also when i open the icam jpeg in bbedit i saw headers with 'Photoshop 3.0' ...weird

.... so unless apple has tiny 20GB drives(or an ipod raid ) in there... who knows.....


EDIT - message got cut off last time............ ........... .......... .......... buffering just in case ....... ......

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: havanas ]</p>

All the newest digital cameras include unlimited video storage. The 15-90 second clips are for $100 Web cams now. If Apple comes out with that I'll be suprized, it's not forward looking or trend setting, it's a feauture popular 2 years ago.

I'll buy a 1600x1200 image and 640x480 video capture hard drive based water proof 8 hour battery life "deck of cards sized" camera.

She looks Polish.

Germans have ugly sweaters. He he he.. just kidding my loud German friends...

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: JasonPP ]</p>

Someone rehost the image...

MSKR

In the first "iCam" pic, the entire image was blurry.

The second "iCam" pic shows a sharper image of the girl, but the "iCam" remains blurry.

One presumes Noahj has a clear image of the "iCam," but is obscuring the image of the "iCam" intentionally.

Wonder why? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[quote]Originally posted by kormac77:
<strong>How about this:

this is came from one of the DV site,

OK dv-meisters... There IS a proto-type camcorder floating around
the Beta Test circuit... it is NOT by any of the majors like Pana, JVC
or even Sony... it has little or NO moving parts... here's why. It has
a 3 to 6 hour storage... it does not Need a battery, unless you call a
watch battery a battery! So you do not need to charge it, it will
charge in about an hour and last a day, charge in a day and seemingly
last a week... really. It has no motors, no tape, no spinning disc or
spinning anything... it is all solid state... a sort of... memory chip.
It's high def but it does have in addition to a single FireWire port
a USB in and out pair of sockets, an S-video socket and a BNC socket.
It comes without a lens. I was told 'C' mount types will eventually
be fitted. It had a Fujinon lens but I was told there are also other
options available such as Leica, Zeiss and even Century! Weighs
only a few pounds. It was bronze chromatic finish BTW and it was
said to only cost about $1400 with out the lens. Will come with
the 'C' mount adapter.
More this weekend...

cm

================================================

IT does have Firewire & Hidef.

Hmmmm.



[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: kormac77 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.supervideo.com" target="_blank">www.supervideo.com</a>
DVNEWS June 2002

[quote]Originally posted by BJNY:
<strong>

<a href="http://www.supervideo.com" target="_blank">www.supervideo.com</a>
DVNEWS June 2002</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, quite possibly the ugliest site ever.

J :cool:

[quote]Originally posted by BJNY:
<strong>

<a href="http://www.supervideo.com" target="_blank">www.supervideo.com</a>
DVNEWS June 2002</strong><hr></blockquote>

This has to be the worst/best example of improper use of a great domain name EVER.

[quote]Originally posted by Jamie:
<strong>

Yes, quite possibly the ugliest site ever.

J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Finally! Something we can ALL agree on!

Better link: <a href="http://www.supervideo.com/2002f.htm" target="_blank">http://www.supervideo.com/2002f.htm</a>

D

[quote]Originally posted by Gizwald:
<strong>Here's my anal analysis. If you think that the ramblings of a moron are worth anything, read on.

I don't see a vey big area for an LCD screen. Unless, it's on the side, which doesn make very much sense, ergonomically.

Usually, "spy photo" photographers remove any evidence of the location that the photo was taken in. In this photo, you see that the image is outdoors, and you get a pretty good idea of who the photographer was with when the photo was taken. Seems a bit risky.

If the photo was taken with the same device that is in the photo, it defenitely does not have a foveon X3 sensor, as was discussed on other threads. Too much color noise. I think Apple want to use this amazing new tech, if they could.

Anyone agree/disagree?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Valid points, but I would certainly lean towards the prototype angle. Things are in flux in a prototype, and I hardly think Apple would give out two prototypes to the same person/set of testers.

Put it like this, i wouldn't be worried if i was the girl (with looks like that, who would? ). They are not going to go chasing her directly, but rather the person who originally leaked the pics and prototype. Ooops to that person...

The DV cam/still cam that site mentions sounds awfully Apple-esque in execution. If we ignore the picture. I would tend to go with the prototype idea. Looking at some of Apple's other prototypes in the AppleDesign book, the design process will go down many different roads before finally settling down on the right form and design ethos. This was the case with the iMac 2. And it will also be the case with anything Apple might be working on at the moment in this field.

low-fi

A hard drive in a dv camera would not be that useful. If you turn it around and said this said camera could store 300 GB of data on tiny removable rewritable $5.00 cartridges that would look pretty good wouldn't it?
First you capture, then you edit. You don't want to capture all the crap you shoot.

A hard drive in a still camera could be useful in the way the IBM microdrive is useful.

<a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phillip.briggs1/" target="_blank">iCam Pic (With Girl)</a>



[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: philbot ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by philbot:
<strong><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phillip.briggs1/" target="_blank">iCam Pic (With Girl)</a>



[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: philbot ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, lets post a picture of the person testing the hardware so we can get them fired. Wow, and Kormac confirmed it so it must be true. Give me a break. This is just too much BS to handle. I must get some fresh air. The stench!

Only if Apple sue her will we ever know who she really is so the end justifies the means

Sorry. I just can´t take it serious. This spraypainted-oversize-Lego-trucktire has as much to do with anything from Apple as Jobs has with McD.

And a special "Hello" goes out to Peter and Bill from Apples AI watch team. Thank you for proving that this is NOTHING by NOT pulling the pic from IAJ/Kormac´s Mac account. Have a nice summer in Jobs bunker.