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[quote]Originally posted by superd:
<strong>I do however believe that Kormacs little tidbit, could lend a whole lot of credibility to the whole lucinda concept.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The site that Kormac got that "tidbit" from is notorious for having incorrect information. They are totally clueless. They make YourDailyMac look good.
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[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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They make YourDailyMac look good.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Someone needs to calm down.

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Whether or not this is actually the device, (and hopefully people can stop drooling now, haven't you folks ever seen a girl before?) is its size feasible? Could this have anything to do with the long speculated-about Raycer situation? could their smarts be tooled to MPEG encoding?

I personally think the picture is a hoax, but the idea is plausible.

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[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:

<strong>Whether or not this is actually the device, (and hopefully people can stop drooling now, haven't you folks ever seen a girl before?) is its size feasible?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, all they saw was a girl's nose and they starting soiling themselves.

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I personally think the picture is a hoax, but the idea is plausible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think a digital still camera is the next logical step for Apple but I doubt it would also do video. Sony's top of the line DV cameras that can do both video and stills are well over $1200 and only have 1 megapixel sensor.

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[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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Actually, all they saw was a girl's nose and they starting soiling themselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>and hopefully people can stop drooling now, haven't you folks ever seen a girl before?</strong><hr></blockquote>



There is three things on the picture: A "device", a girl and a lawn. By focusing on the girl I hopedto get the point cross that the two other things was uninteresting. When someone mentioned the lawn I actually started to write a post discussing different types of grass and whether it needed some water. I hoped to get my point across: That the "device" is a interesting as the wild life on Wall Street.

And hopefully people can stop drooling now, haven't you folks ever seen a shaked picture of nothing before?

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post #327 of 390
That thing looks like a "My First Sony." The picture is total garbage. Let's go back to speculating. It's much more interesting.
post #328 of 390
Still waiting for Macintosh, er, I mean allenmcjones to post the picture...

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Glove Debunked...


<a href="http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/06/03.6.shtml" target="_blank">Mac Observer Report</a>
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[quote]And hopefully people can stop drooling now, haven't you folks ever seen a shaked picture of nothing before?<hr></blockquote>

i really don't care if this is the new super secret solid state hd-cam for 499 bucks or not. i'm not a nerd. we'll buy it anyway.

however, i do appreciate the fact that the girl is extremely beautiful.

lucida, whoever you are, we should meet. i'm not joking and not 16 anymore.....
post #331 of 390
I know Lucida (well lit) in Spanish.

She is actually a part time professional model.



And that iCam looks a hella lot like a light meter to me....

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In all of my thoughts I've had about "lucida", or "Apple iCam" rumors, I thought about the foveon chip, which is obviously WORLDS ahead of the other chips in use out there.

I'm not sure about the technical matters involved with the whole CCD thing, and whether those are the same type of chips used in digital cameras, but it would be very Apple-like to include not one, but three (3) Foveon chips in lucida, one to replace each CCD sensor that is normally used.

I know it would be costly, but I doubt we'll see Apple release a hybrid digital camera/dv cam for less than $700, considering the general cost of high quality digital camcorders.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but using three Foveon chips,(supposing the Foveon really rivals 35mm pics) wouldn't this make it possible to have a video camera that (somewhat) rivals a film-based camera in quality? Plus, you could select any random frame of your footage after the fact, and have a high quality still on your hands, without having to go to the trouble of actually stopping filming to take a still, or having to press another button to capture a still. If I'm totally off the mark then let me know...


I doubt Apple will go for a HD based storage solution, unless they could do something along the order of between 60 - 120 GB. They could do 60 with current laptop drives, but 120 would require quite a large device. I think they'll go with a proprietary tape standard.
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post #333 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>Is Lucida your girlfriend NoahJ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Umm, since I am married, no.
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>Umm, since I am married, no.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mistress, then?

Uh, um, on topic: That image is so obviously Photoshopped.
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[quote]Originally posted by marcsiry:
<strong>In the first "iCam" pic, the entire image was blurry.

The second "iCam" pic shows a sharper image of the girl, but the "iCam" remains blurry.

One presumes Noahj has a clear image of the "iCam," but is obscuring the image of the "iCam" intentionally.

Wonder why? :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Let me clear one thing up, as much as I would love to have access to super secret new Apple hardware, I do not. That is not my picture, nor did I take it or was I associated with it. Hope this did not ruin your day.
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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Mistress, then?

Uh, um, on topic: That image is so obviously Photoshopped.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now Belle, you know I have no mistress but you. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />

Um, yeah, on topic was it? Definately photoshopped. Whether it is to protect the innocent or just to phony it up is in question slightly...

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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>Now Belle, you know I have no mistress but you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmph. So where are the flowers? The chocolates? The trysts in secluded hotel bedrooms?
[quote]<strong>Um, yeah, on topic was it? Definately photoshopped. Whether it is to protect the innocent or just to phony it up is in question slightly...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, sorry, couldn't be bothered reading the other eight pages about this piece of utter nonsense.

It's a big fat phony. Jake Lloyd's acting in Phantom Menace is more convincing.

I'll bet my boots that many of the believers in this thread were also present in that old iWalk thread...

Could someone please pluck the crows, roll the pastry, and prepare the oven? Thank you.
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post #338 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Masker:
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And that iCam looks a hella lot like a light meter to me....

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Damn, I was close. I thought it was an electronic tape measure.

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post #339 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>Hmph. So where are the flowers? The chocolates? The trysts in secluded hotel bedrooms? </strong><hr></blockquote>

I knew something was missing. Oh well.

[quote]<strong>Ah, sorry, couldn't be bothered reading the other eight pages about this piece of utter nonsense.

It's a big fat phony. Jake Lloyd's acting in Phantom Menace is more convincing.

I'll bet my boots that many of the believers in this thread were also present in that old iWalk thread...

Could someone please pluck the crows, roll the pastry, and prepare the oven? Thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And amazingly enough, people thought this was my picture???

As far as the eating crow was concerned, they were going to do that if it turned out to be real not fake. Skimming does not work for you does it?
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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And amazingly enough, people thought this was my picture???
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I guess it was me that started it I looked at the adress for the original picture (ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icam.jpg=) and thought "Aha. NoahJ doesn´t cover his tracks very well" but of course it could have been anyone.

And after this service announcement I will leave you two to yourselves
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post #341 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by low-fi:
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Put it like this, i wouldn't be worried if i was the girl (with looks like that, who would? ). They are not going to go chasing her directly, but rather the person who originally leaked the pics and prototype. Ooops to that person...
low-fi</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course she should not be worried. The pic is most likely a fake. But if it is real, the person in the photo and the background would provide a pretty good idea of who took the picture. And the person who took the pic is also likely the person who distributed it. (likely only a few people, or groups of people would be allowed to test the prototypes. They could just round up all of those people that were testing the camera on the lawn of the Apple campus, and those that were with miss Lucida. This would probably narrow it down alot)
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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I guess it was me that started it I looked at the adress for the original picture (ftp://noahj.homeunix.com/Pictures/icam.jpg=) and thought "Aha. NoahJ doesn´t cover his tracks very well" but of course it could have been anyone.

And after this service announcement I will leave you two to yourselves </strong><hr></blockquote>

Y'know, I never even realized that link went there. However, the file is not there anymore. Who deleted it, be honest!! I will have to check the logs and find out later... I had hope they would put it there but I don't know who did it....
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post #343 of 390
I would like to go on record in this serious matter.

I would bet my degree and the money it cost that the pic and the device are utter, complete, total, fakes. no way in hell would Apple design something that looked like that, was that size or shape or finish (or blurry) and take semi-professional photos of something some are claiming to be a prototype. No way, no how, no when. Nope. Sorry. Never.

Thank you, please continue.
post #344 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Steve's Job:
<strong>it would be very Apple-like to include not one, but three (3) Foveon chips in lucida, one to replace each CCD sensor that is normally used.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, seriously, what would be the point of that? The whole idea of the x3 is that it captures 3 colour per pixel. Standard digital still cams have one ccd, capable of capuring on colour / pixel. High end Digital video cams have three sensors, in different positions , capturing a different colour each, after being split up by a prism. Combining the three allows for three colours per pixel also. If a single x3 chip captures three colours/pixel on one ccd, what would be the point of having 3 of them? I think you must be confused about how CCDs work.

Another cool benefit of the foveon X3 that I haven't heard mentioned yet is this: In order to get 3 colours / pixel in digital video, the light must be split up three ways, by a prism, providing only 1/3 the light to each sensor. As a result, 3CCD cameras don't work as well in low light. Foveon will provide the clarity of a 3CCD camera with the low-light sensititvity of a singel CCD camera. Not to mention the much smaller form factor required.
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You're right, I wasn't clear on what CCD's did and how they worked. Thanks for clearing things up. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />

edit: spelling

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post #346 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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It's a big fat phony. Jake Lloyd's acting in Phantom Menace is more convincing.
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that was acting???

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I'll bet my boots that many of the believers in this thread were also present in that old iWalk thread...
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hey, belle, yeah, i was one of them too, and i'll admit to it. hell, for a fake, it was better than a lot of crap we've been seeded in the past. you know as well as i that it was a damn convincing fake, and had almost everyone who saw it thinking it was possibly real - in concept, if not form factor - whether or not some people thought the industrial design was apple-esque or not.

(y'know, it STILL cracks me up when people say "apple would never make anything like THAT!"... yeah, like anyone saw the new iMac design coming, even in mockups... people, don't even ACT like you have an inside track to johnny ive's left lobe).

it was only after a hell of a lot of people with more time than i have dissected the damn iWalk movies, down to the pixel and frame-by-frame, that the truth was revealed.

though i will say one thing that has been 100% proven on this and other apple rumor sites:

it's the best looking and sounding rumors and pictures that turn out to be fake. the worst and most unbelievable ones are usually legit.

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[quote]Originally posted by disco:
<strong>Glove Debunked...


<a href="http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/06/03.6.shtml" target="_blank">Mac Observer Report</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

That debunks nothing. Glove as it has been explained and hashed out and rehashed in this thread is NOT the same concept at ALL as this new Apple program. Besides... this was mentioned on MacMinute yesterday and was talked about in the last page of this thread.

All this does, if anything, is prove that there IS a chance for a "Glove," aimed at households/businesses/organizations of less than 10 licenses. After all, it would be stupid for Apple to introduce Glove for both institutions and education, because that would be MILLIONS of future operating system updates' sales lost. This is just Apple's preparation for Glove, as I see it.
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post #348 of 390
the device/"lucida" pictured was in a back issue of I.D magazine (http://www.idonline.com/)

i unfortunately do not remember which issues i saw it in. if anyone has some time to kill and access to a library (such as one in a university) they should be able to provide you with more details.

i also do not think apple has anything to do with it.
post #349 of 390
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>As far as the eating crow was concerned, they were going to do that if it turned out to be real not fake. Skimming does not work for you does it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know. I asked for the crow pie to be prepared because after condemning the thread so completely I'm going to be eating it too if there's any truth.

Skimming does work... sometimes.
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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
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I would bet my degree and the money it cost that the pic and the device are utter, complete, total, fakes.

Thank you, please continue.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's see .. Beauty School tuition.. $250 US

Supplies $100... Cost of 20 # bond copier paper for diploma.. 5 cents....

Okay $350.05 is on the line here.. any takers?





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post #351 of 390
Since this IS supposed to be a prototype, I'm sure they're more interested in the form factor than the pure physical details on the outside of it. In other words, I could see Apple releasing a camera like that. I wouldn't want to use it, I'll stick with my F100 (Thanks Moogs!), but it looks like an Apple thing to do with camera design.

*shrugs*

I don't see HOW it looks like a light meter though. My luna pro isn't even that big.. even with the spot meter attachment...

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post #352 of 390
I checked out back issues of ID magazine, and saw no such device on the back cover, unless it was before 1999.

Just letting you know.

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um, when did he say it was on the back cover? he just said it was in a "back issue."

silly, maybe you should look again.

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[quote]Originally posted by scadboy:
<strong>um, when did he say it was on the back cover? he just said it was in a "back issue."

silly, maybe you should look again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your turn. Bigger fish to fry, etc.


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A sphere! allenmcjones said Lucida would be water proof. He said when we see it, we'll understand why. And wouldn't a ball shaped camera (not a disk like the photo posted here) be easy to hold and use?

The thing is going to be shaped like one of the Pro-Speakers!
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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I know. I asked for the crow pie to be prepared because after condemning the thread so completely I'm going to be eating it too if there's any truth.

Skimming does work... sometimes. </strong><hr></blockquote>

As does reading between the lines. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />

Hey, now that you have condemned the thread we can all look forward to this new camera!! Thanks Belle!
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>Hey, now that you have condemned the thread we can all look forward to this new camera!! Thanks Belle!</strong><hr></blockquote>
The omens are not good. On several occasions I've said I'll pose naked on the lawns of 1 Infinite Loop, with just a [Insert name of rumored hardware here] to protect my dignity, if said product is released. So far, my dignity remains intact (Um, well, what little is left after the constant erosion caused by countless idiotic musings in my posts).

I'm not sure that I'll make such a wager this time. If iCam is real, it's awfully small. :o
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I am not sure if this has been said but I am not willing to read nine pages just to find out but one thing that could debunk part of the Glove rumor is:

[quote]The license belongs to the entity and not longer for each piece of hardware. As long as you own the license, you can install it on all the machines you want, if you own the hardware of course.<hr></blockquote>

Unless Apple can make a real universal update for every new machine then this part of Glove could not happen. Ever try to install a Mac OS on a different machine from a CD that came with your computer? It will not work. Think about it...
post #359 of 390
I've read this thread with interest:

The poster who started this forum has posted correct information. There will be a new apple based camera slated for MWNY. As far as the licensing terms his information was correct although I've been given the impression that the new licensing scheme will not come full swing until Jaguar, which may or may not make it to MWNY.

I do not really have any previous credibility to sight to "prove" my sources. I can only re-state that the individual who posted here was correct. I'm confident enough that I'm willing to bet one of the new cameras (or the price of it) with anybody. Any takers? If you lose you have to purchase one for me when they are shown at MWNY.
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Wait a damn minute here, guys.

How do we even know that the disc-shaped camera is really from allenmcjones? All the stuff about it was posted by a new username. And who knows who uploaded it to noahj's ftp? What if SpyMac caught wind of this thread (which surely by 8 pages they would have), and decided to throw up one of their other mocked-up fakes that look completely stupid just to try to get attention (which is what they're for)? I'm sure that they wouldn't put any reference to SpyMac in them or anywhere surrounding them because they know we're not idiots. But we very well might be for believing this crappy ass photo was the "artist's rendering" allenmcjones was talking about.
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