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Apple is reportedly planning to release a new streaming set-top box, and is in talks with cable provider Comcast on a potential deal that would bypass Web congestion and allow faster and more reliable performance for users.

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Talks between the two companies are said to be in the early stages, according to The Wall Street Journal. Apple is reportedly looking to have its own traffic separated from general Internet traffic over the "last mile" of connectivity, which represents the connection between Comcast and the end user's home.

During peak usage hours, when most people are home and accessing the Internet, connections can become considerably slow. This has a detrimental effect on streaming video services, like Apple's iTunes, Netflix, Hulu or others.

"Apple's goal would be to ensure users don't see hiccups in the service or buffering that can take place while streaming Web video, making its video the same quality as Comcast's TV transmissions to normal set-top boxes," the report said.

Details of the alleged talks between the two companies would seem to suggest that the discussions are similar to those that were held between Comcast and Netflix. In February, it was revealed that Netflix had cut a deal with Comcast to boost its connection speeds -- an agreement that angered proponents of net neutrality, or the belief that all services on the Internet should be treated equally.

But Apple's desires go even further, as the company's interests would reportedly require Comcast to make "significant investments in network equipment and other back-office technology." Sources familiar with the talks indicated to the Journal that a deal between the two parties is not close.


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Previously, Apple was said to be in ongoing talks with Time Warner Cable for a partnership centered around a new set-top streaming box that would act as a cable box, delivering live and on-demand content to Time Warner customers through IP TV. Reports have suggested that Apple is looking to cut deals with cable companies like Comcast and Time Warner directly, rather than dealing with content owners such as ESPN and HBO in a bid to bypass cable providers.

But any alleged talks between Time Warner and Apple may have hit a stumbling block when it was announced in February that Comcast intends to purchase the competing cable provider. Such an arrangement is almost certain to draw federal scrutiny and must still receive government approval before a merger would occur.

In recent weeks, there have been numerous reports claiming that an Apple TV update may be unveiled in the coming months. According to Bloomberg, the device could be unveiled as soon as April, but may not launch until this fall. A months-long wait between introduction and launch would likely mean a major shift for the platform, and potentially new opportunities for developers to create software.
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New article titles for the analysts: "Apple Doesn't Care About Net Neutrality"

"Apple Believes Their Data is Better Than Everyone Else's"
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New article titles for the analysts: "Apple Doesn't Care About Net Neutrality"

"Apple Believes Their Data is Better Than Everyone Else's"

I believe your aggression should be towards Comcast for deciding who's and which data takes priority in the bandwidth between Comcast and their subscriber.

Why does Apple bashing and trolling make people feel so good?

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I wish Apple would buy into one of the Sat. TV companies and just bypass the cable companies altogether!

 

That's probably an overly simplistic solution. But do something to shake the cable companies tree! :)

 

Best.

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I believe your aggression should be towards Comcast for deciding who's and which data takes priority in the bandwidth between Comcast and their subscriber.
I have no aggression. I'm pontificating about what the headlines will be if this were to happen.
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I too finally cracked it!

It was an amazing experience to realize what the late Mr. Steve Jobs meant on "I finally cracked it".

I have seen what he meant about the future of TV, aka Apple TV, and how it will revolutionize the entire industry and user experience, just like what iPhone did for the mobile phone industry.

My next steps would research on whether the entire idea(s), mechanisms, and functionalities are patented, if not, I would have to do so, and fast.

All I can say now, it's like iPhone all the puzzle are out there, it's just who have the ability to put them together and bring out the best user experience.

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I believe your aggression should be towards Comcast for deciding who's and which data takes priority in the bandwidth between Comcast and their subscriber.

 

I believe he just left off the /s tag.

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I would like the next Apple TV to have pass through HDMI. So AppleTV content can display while watching cable, DirecTV or a blueray movie. This could work like an overlay or quick switch from a notification. It works on the iPhone and iPad while watching a movie.
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Here we go again...

AT&T bought Cingular and got iPhone. Verizon got left behind...
Comcast will buy TimeWarner cable and get iTV. Will Verizon get left behind again?

 

Actually Comcast almost has to do this because Verizon's purchase of Intel's digital TV platform.

The start of something big? Time will tell.


Edited by AppleSauce007 - 3/24/14 at 3:35am
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Ah, good point. I was thinking the same. Of course, that could have all been coincidence. Mmyes?

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It sucks when you have to make a deal with Comcrap.

And besides any profit on the box, where is the pot of gold for Apple at the end of this rainbow?
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It sucks when you have to make a deal with Comcrap.

And besides any profit on the box, where is the pot of gold for Apple at the end of this rainbow?

People also thought that it sucked when Apple made a deal with ATT.

 

Relax. This is how it starts. I think it'll be huge (if it comes to pass).


Edited by anantksundaram - 3/24/14 at 5:46am
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Verizon FiOS is never mentioned in these sort of deals Netflix and maybe Apple make with Comcast. I pay for an extra fast level with FiOS 75/50 and have no issues at all but I wonder if FiOS generally less throttled or is it I am just OK due to higher level speed levels. Anyone with standard FiOS here getting bad Netflix and iTines streaming?
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well, that's it. if the next ATV requires a pay-tv service to work. I'm out. We cut our cable service off over a year ago an I don't miss that $120/mo cable bill one bit. (we get over-air, Hulu, Netflix on the ATV). I've been waiting to upgrade my Gen 2 ATV (the first "hockey puck" 720p) since what seems like forever and a day and if this is the future of ATV, i don't want any part of it. If this happens, it can only mean that Apple really wanted to get this new device on the market, but couldn't do it without brown-nosing big-media. Net-neutrality is doomed!
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well, that's it. if the next ATV requires a pay-tv service to work. I'm out. We cut our cable service off over a year ago an I don't miss that $120/mo cable bill one bit. (we get over-air, Hulu, Netflix on the ATV). I've been waiting to upgrade my Gen 2 ATV (the first "hockey puck" 720p) since what seems like forever and a day and if this is the future of ATV, i don't want any part of it. If this happens, it can only mean that Apple really wanted to get this new device on the market, but couldn't do it without brown-nosing big-media. Net-neutrality is doomed!

Why do you assume it'll be either/or? I have little doubt that Apple will come up with a version of it to retail directly to consumers who do not subscribe to cable.

 

Surely, you have an internet connection? And, if in the US, chances are quite high that you're getting it via cable?

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Best of luck to Comcast in figuring out a way to sneak around the agreement they made with the FTC to avoid anti-trust issues in their purchase of NBC/Universal.
http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f300600/300662.pdf

If they do find a way that meets the court's approval then good luck to Apple in keeping subscriber data (what's been viewed, for how long, when, etc) all to themselves and not sharing it with Comcast.
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I would like the next Apple TV to have pass through HDMI. So AppleTV content can display while watching cable, DirecTV or a blueray movie. This could work like an overlay or quick switch from a notification. It works on the iPhone and iPad while watching a movie.

I like that idea. I would like the Apple TV interface to come right up first when I switch on my TV.

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Why do you assume it'll be either/or? I have little doubt that Apple will come up with a version of it to retail directly to consumers who do not subscribe to cable.

 

Surely, you have an internet connection? And, if in the US, chances are quite high that you're getting it via cable?

look at the example of HBO Go app and ESPN app.  Those apps require a cable sub. to work.  With this rumored deal between Netflix and Comcast, who's to say Netflix will not start requiring a cable sub. to access content on ATV?  With Comcast in rumored talks to buy NBC/Universal (who owns Hulu+)...who's to say if that deal goes through, Hulu might require a Cable sub to work on the ATV.  and so on and so forth.  I'm sure Apple will release a device that does work without a cable sub., but who's to say all those app that are currently sub-free aren't going to change their terms of service?

 

I do get my internet though cable, however to use apps that require a cable sub...you must have a TV subscription to use said apps currently.  not just a data subscription.

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This actually makes a lot of sense when I hear about what a turd the X1 Platform has turned out to be.

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look at the example of HBO Go app and ESPN app.  Those apps require a cable sub. to work.  With this rumored deal between Netflix and Comcast, who's to say Netflix will not start requiring a cable sub. to access content on ATV?  With Comcast in rumored talks to buy NBC/Universal (who owns Hulu+)...who's to say if that deal goes through, Hulu might require a Cable sub to work on the ATV.  and so on and so forth.  I'm sure Apple will release a device that does work without a cable sub., but who's to say all those app that are currently sub-free aren't going to change their terms of service?

 

I do get my internet though cable, however to use apps that require a cable sub...you must have a TV subscription to use said apps currently.  not just a data subscription.

I find it odd that you'd blame Apple for something the content providers do to collude with the distributors.

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Here we go again...
AT&T bought Cingular and got iPhone. Verizon got left behind...
Comcast will buy TimeWarner cable and get iTV. Will Verizon get left behind again?

Actually Comcast almost has to do this because Verizon's purchase of Intel's digital TV platform.

The start of something big? Time will tell.
I hope they get with U-verse for selfish reasons. Honestly though, iTV companies like Uverse and fios seem to be better fits anyway.
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It sucks when you have to make a deal with Comcrap.

And besides any profit on the box, where is the pot of gold for Apple at the end of this rainbow?

How about iTunes rentals? Could you imagine them getting into Comcast/time Warner's client base with it being easy to purchase iTunes rental? Maybe they split it 50/50? It'd be a huge win for both sides potentially. Just sit patient and wait- we'll likely know more in a max of 6 months time.

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Ha, Amazon is down over 3% and Netflix almost 8% just because of this report in the WSJ.
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look at the example of HBO Go app and ESPN app.  Those apps require a cable sub. to work.  With this rumored deal between Netflix and Comcast, who's to say Netflix will not start requiring a cable sub. to access content on ATV?  With Comcast in rumored talks to buy NBC/Universal (who owns Hulu+)...who's to say if that deal goes through, Hulu might require a Cable sub to work on the ATV.  and so on and so forth.  I'm sure Apple will release a device that does work without a cable sub., but who's to say all those app that are currently sub-free aren't going to change their terms of service?

I do get my internet though cable, however to use apps that require a cable sub...you must have a TV subscription to use said apps currently.  not just a data subscription.
Doesn't Comcast already own NBC/Universal?
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Ha, Amazon is down over 3% and Netflix almost 8% just because of this report in the WSJ.

Must be the reason Google is down today too.
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look at the example of HBO Go app and ESPN app.  Those apps require a cable sub. to work.  With this rumored deal between Netflix and Comcast, who's to say Netflix will not start requiring a cable sub. to access content on ATV?

 

I don't think that would happen. Netflix would lose a lot of subscribers if that were the case. I'm actually more concerned that Apple's deal with Comcast turns the AppleTV platform into something like XBOX Live, requiring a yearly fee just to use apps like Netflix or Hulu+.

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It sucks when you have to make a deal with Comcrap.

And besides any profit on the box, where is the pot of gold for Apple at the end of this rainbow?

People also thought that it sucked when Apple made a deal with ATT.

 

Relax. This is how it starts. I think it'll be huge (if it comes to pass).

 

Yeah, Apple just needs a cable provider to start leveraging with for now. They'll learn how to optimize their soft/hardware for the cable infrastructure just like they did for the cell networks.

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I personally do not believe Apple which close a deal with Comcast. To put in perspective for those who are not familiar with how the whole cable industry works. Comcast is like Verizon when the iphone was in development, and TWC is like Cingular(AT&T). TWC is forward thinking and willing to do new things, they were not stuck on this how they always done things in the past so they are willing to give Apple's ideal a chance and see what happens. Worked out well for AT&T as we all know.

 

Comcast, has their own vision of what the future will be as did Verizon at the time. Comcast is working on their own solution which they feel is better than anything you can get from Hulu, NetFlix, Amazon or even Apple. If there is in fact a discussion going on with Comcast and Apple it probably similar to the Comcast NetFlix discussion about having to pay extra to allow there content to be stream to your home. 

 

I highly doubt that Comcast is going to do a deal with Apple to provide streaming content solution. If apple has in fact figured out the solution, it may look like something similar to how they rolled out the Iphone. I said this before, Apple could have partner with TWC and have them provide all the content and Apple provided the hardware and software solutions and the end user with a broadband connection could access TWC content anywhere they like. Thus they could turn off their video service from the local Cable TV company and only subscribe to internet access and watch and pay for only what they wanted.


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Must be the reason Google is down today too.

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And so it begins, first Netflix and now Apple. Big, established companies can buy their way through problems while new startups will be shutout. The innovation on the internet, R.I.P.

How we experience things over the internet will be completely different in 5-10 years.

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How we experience things over the internet will be completely different in 5-10 years.

 

There won’t be an Internet in 5-10 years if they get their way.

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well, that's it. if the next ATV requires a pay-tv service to work. I'm out. We cut our cable service off over a year ago an I don't miss that $120/mo cable bill one bit. (we get over-air, Hulu, Netflix on the ATV). I've been waiting to upgrade my Gen 2 ATV (the first "hockey puck" 720p) since what seems like forever and a day and if this is the future of ATV, i don't want any part of it. If this happens, it can only mean that Apple really wanted to get this new device on the market, but couldn't do it without brown-nosing big-media. Net-neutrality is doomed!

It won't

 

It's the other way around.  Comcast will start offering "a 'Smart Settop Box'" that is an AppleTV.

 

The 'talks' will be how much of the partnership will be exclusive functions to Comcast.  Apple will demand absolutely none.   And will win.   The key is to have a cable company integrate/allow a non-Comcast owned box on it's network, and it's an AppleTV with a Comcast App, that they configure.   The key thing will be (my theory on steve's 'solved it' moment) that all metadata from comcast is searchable on 

 

Just last night we were watching network TV on our non-cable cable (municipal fiberoptic), and hated the commercials.   In the brave new AppleTV world... you'd click a button... and get 'viewing options' on the show you're watching (HD channel, old shows, commercial free versions on iTunes), or go to main menu and you'll be able to search for 'live sports (or live whatever)' that spans cable/OTA, iTunes Streams, App Streams (NBA.com, NHL.com WWE... oops, we were talking sports, not 'entertainment').... then point, click, click again to pay with your Apple ID if needed... and you're watching.

 

I see the simple box is an Apple TV with a cable connector, (10)Gigabit ethernet, Optical Digital audio out, and HDMI out (maybe 3.5mm 2.1 out). Replaces Cable box and most home theater boxes.

 

The key is a box that can search Apple's Content using siri/gestures, other Apps Content, and cable content in one pass.   This is the key to transition from cable to Internet.

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To be honest I stopped my comcast cable service about 2 years ago, I was being chargedabout $140 pm this was the triple play deal. Now I'm paying about $85 for high speed internet (25Gbits) and I got an over the air attenna which sucks to be honest. I do have more time though because there no way to watch reruns , the only thing I miss is watching baseball and some big sporting events and Independent Film Channel and SCIfi channel, I pay for amazon and netflix and sometimes buy movies on iTunes. I wish we could move towards buying individual channels. This deal looks like it will make that harder. oh well , the only difference in cost between internet and adding cable is about $50 for extended basic. not a huge amount really considering I have to get netflix and amazon as well. I don't think there any way really of saving much on media , the bottom line is they are going to get you for at least $100 pm up to $200pm, that not really all that much when you consider health Insurance, utilities are a lot higher. Just pay your money and take you chances , You might shave a few $$ of by haggling with them but is it really worth t?

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Doesn't Comcast already own NBC/Universal?

i know the talks have been on-going but i haven't heard if there was a buy-out or merger or not...yet.

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I find it odd that you'd blame Apple for something the content providers do to collude with the distributors.

I am not blaming apple for anything.  might not want to put words in my mouth and re-read what i've said.  I blame the content owners should anything of what i've state comes to pass.

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