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post #1 of 16
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I just got back a little while ago from the Tice's Corner Apple Store and on all of the G4s and TiBooks I was playing with whenever I went to any website from AI to the NY Mets website everything was so slow. What kind of connection do they have. I couldn't believe how slow even loading the Apple Store site was.
post #2 of 16
That is weird. I was going to go there today from PA. I decided not to though. I haven't been to one yet. The Apple site may have been slow today I think.

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post #3 of 16
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[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>That is weird. I was going to go there today from PA. I decided not to though. I haven't been to one yet. The Apple site may have been slow today I think.

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but it wasn't just the Apple site that was slow.
post #4 of 16
They have addresses from within the 17.x.x.x subnet, so whatever they are using isn't a plain vanilla connection like a DSL or cable modem.

It seems unlikely they would pay for a T1 though. Has anybody tested upload speeds with Apple Store connections?
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post #5 of 16
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I just got back a little while ago from the Tice's Corner Apple Store and on all of the G4s and TiBooks I was playing with whenever I went to any website from AI to the NY Mets website everything was so slow. What kind of connection do they have. I couldn't believe how slow even loading the Apple Store site was.</strong><hr></blockquote>

don't the malls normally have a mainline that they lease to the stores that want it?
post #6 of 16
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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don't the malls normally have a mainline that they lease to the stores that want it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do they? I didn't know that.
post #7 of 16
The apple stores use AirPort so that could be why it was slow.
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post #8 of 16
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Alpha Mac,I thought only the portables use AirPort. And I doubt it was that because the iBooks were fine speed-wise.
post #9 of 16
a lot of people were probably on the internet on one DHCP connection, it might slow down <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
post #10 of 16
[quote]Originally posted by Alpha Mac:
<strong>The apple stores use AirPort so that could be why it was slow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have used aiport in the school district where I teach and it is ofetn VERY fast. The myth that AirPort is slow is just that...a myth.
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post #11 of 16
Airport would not be the problem. It transfers data at 11mbps. If I'm not mistaken, not even a T1 is that fast so Airport would cause the bottleneck.
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post #12 of 16
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>Airport would not be the problem. It transfers data at 11mbps. If I'm not mistaken, not even a T1 is that fast so Airport would cause the bottleneck.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #13 of 16
The portables are on AirPort and the desktops are attached to the network via ethernet cables. How can I be so certain? I am at the Northshore Mall Apple Store right now typing this in. I know it's sad that I read AppleInsider from the AppleStore. It's better than shopping with my girlfriend and her mother!!!!!

DHCP has no bearing on speed. These machines grab an address in the morning when they're turned on and don't give it up untill the end of the day.

The machines in this store are using 10.x.x.x addresses. From what I understand, the connection at this store is a fractional T-1 and is part of Apple's WAN. The circuit carries both the telephone and the Internet connectivity.

Hold on, let me do a traceroute...

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[localhost:~] apple% traceroute <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com" target="_blank">www.appleinsider.com</a>
traceroute to <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com" target="_blank">www.appleinsider.com</a> (140.186.123.169), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 10.232.11.1 (10.232.11.1) 2.12 ms 1.018 ms 0.851 ms
2 17.255.232.45 (17.255.232.45) 2.214 ms 2.367 ms 2.269 ms
3 loopback0.gw1.bos4.alter.net (137.39.4.74) 5.859 ms 6.132 ms 6.378 ms
4 167.at-6-0-0.xr2.bos4.alter.net (152.63.16.242) 9.871 ms 6.481 ms 6.375 ms
5 178.at-1-0-0.xr2.nyc8.alter.net (152.63.17.138) 15.915 ms 12.912 ms 13.037 ms
6 182.atm6-0.br1.nyc8.alter.net (152.63.23.173) 20.73 ms 12.966 ms 12.892 ms
7 abovenet-uunet-oc12.lga2.above.net (208.184.231.245) 19.519 ms 13.835 ms 13.747 ms
8 core2-core3-oc48.lga2.above.net (216.200.127.169) 17.818 ms 14.389 ms 14.04 ms
9 core2-lga2-oc192.lga1.above.net (208.184.232.197) 18.227 ms 14.671 ms 13.978 ms
10 iad1-lga1-oc192.iad1.above.net (208.184.233.65) 21.546 ms 19.916 ms 21.368 ms
11 main1-core5-oc48.iad1.above.net (208.185.0.114) 18.174 ms 58.93 ms 18.35 ms
12 g0-0-0.br1.res1.gnaps.net (208.185.59.5) 18.595 ms 18.494 ms 18.713 ms
13 g1-0-1000m.ar2.qcy1.gnaps.net (199.232.131.2) 31.763 ms 31.211 ms 31.643 ms
14 link74-170.cent.net (199.232.74.170) 31.574 ms 31.929 ms 31.235 ms
15 140.186.123.169 (140.186.123.169) 30.97 ms 29.332 ms 31.148 ms
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Maybe not. They're definitely using UUNet to provide the connectivity. The DNS servers are also set to UUNet servers (198.6.1.2).

As to the slowness of the Internet Connection at the store in Tice's corner, it could be that there was a problem upstream from the store. We've all seen that happen. Or, the line could've gone down and the store switched to an ISDN backup, or the circuit hadn't been delivered yet and they are using ISDN until it is up and running.

If I remember correctly, ALL of the 17.x.x.x IP addresses belong to Apple. Yes, they have the whole 17.0.0.0/8 subnet.

{EDIT} I was right. A quick search over at ARIN.NET yielded:
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Apple Computer, Inc. (NET-APPLE-WWNET) APPLE-WWNET 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255
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[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: mjpaci ]

[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: mjpaci ]</p>
post #14 of 16
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>

I have used aiport in the school district where I teach and it is ofetn VERY fast. The myth that AirPort is slow is just that...a myth.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's slow copying large files over.
post #15 of 16
To be honest, what would have been nice if Apple connected all their stores w/ their company lines over ATM but that would be expensive =D
post #16 of 16
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The connection here at the Palisades store seems to be MUCH faster than Tice's Corner.
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