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Okay, so now that the TiBooks have Combo drives standard, I want to sell my Pismo and pay up to get a G4 Powerbook (probably 550Mhz -- I'm a college student and don't have THAT much money).

What is the best way to go about this? Where's a good place to sell my old Powerbook? Does the AppleCare warranty on my Pismo (has 2 years left) help or hurt the possibility of selling it? What other factors would affect its resale value?

Please, whatever info. or insight you might have would be nice. Thanks!
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[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>Okay, so now that the TiBooks have Combo drives standard, I want to sell my Pismo and pay up to get a G4 Powerbook (probably 550Mhz -- I'm a college student and don't have THAT much money).

What is the best way to go about this? Where's a good place to sell my old Powerbook? Does the AppleCare warranty on my Pismo (has 2 years left) help or hurt the possibility of selling it? What other factors would affect its resale value?

Please, whatever info. or insight you might have would be nice. Thanks! </strong><hr></blockquote>

The 2 years on the warranty will definitely help it. You should tout that as much as possible. I'd get rid of it as soon as possible so that you don't get the value knocked down again by another ibook update or people waiting for that ibook update. Unfortunately, the ibook has taken a lot of the resale value away from that machine already, especially the latest ones. I'd hit ebay... there are always people there who overpay. As for tips on the auction (not that you asked, but what the hell, right?), make sure your page looks good. What I do is I fire up dreamweaver lay out the page exactly as I would like and then copy the source code and paste it right into ebay's text field. Works like a charm. Good luck.

ps - you should have titled the thread "murbot! I need your advice!" or something to that effect.
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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>ps - you should have titled the thread "murbot! I need your advice!" or something to that effect. </strong><hr></blockquote>

lol!!! Touche!!!
post #4 of 31
I don't have much advice on selling the machine (although RAM is cheap, so load it up!) but rather advice on buying a new one.

While Apple provides an educational discount, both at college stores and online, you can get a better deal as a developer. For $100 you can sign up for a student developer program which entitles you to:
* 1 hardware developer discount purchase, ever... until you upgrade to the $500 premier program.
* Monthly mailings, with dev software and OS builds.

I did this (I am a software developer after all) and saved big bucks on my Ti500... totally loaded for a $3100 -- which includes tax -- a week after they were announced.

So go save some money and get some cool CDs.
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[quote]Originally posted by Xool:
<strong>I don't have much advice on selling the machine (although RAM is cheap, so load it up!) but rather advice on buying a new one.

While Apple provides an educational discount, both at college stores and online, you can get a better deal as a developer. For $100 you can sign up for a student developer program which entitles you to:
* 1 hardware developer discount purchase, ever... until you upgrade to the $500 premier program.
* Monthly mailings, with dev software and OS builds.

I did this (I am a software developer after all) and saved big bucks on my Ti500... totally loaded for a $3100 -- which includes tax -- a week after they were announced.

So go save some money and get some cool CDs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's an interesting idea. I've got a free online membership but $100 to save a couple hundred sounds like a great deal. Could you let me know how much the TiPBs are now? (if this would get you in trouble don't worry about it) Sounds almost too good to be true...
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The Apple care definitely hurts the resale value of your machine. People just don't want it on a used machine. If they were after warantee they'd buy new. And, since the iBook now costs less, is much lighter and more compact, yet outperforms the pismo in just about every way, you'll have to substantially undercut the cheapest ibook. I'll do you a favor and take that burdensome machine off your hands for 300USD, but you better hurry, the value is dropping all the time!
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AppleCare DOES HELP on getting rid of your machine.

When those people are shopping for second hand machine. When they see the one comes with applecare they will pick that one even it is sold for a little more.

people want peace of mind.

My previous machines sold real quick because of that exteneded warranty. My asking price usually is around $150 higher than others but all others' warranty were already expired....so.......I was the winner

Those Pismo still has quite high resell value here in Vancouver. Lots of people here want expansion bay, PC Card, and big screen.....these are what the iBook lack... I sold my Pismo (400Mhz and with AppleCare) six months ago for $2650 CDN. Now I see other people selling the same model (but no AppleCare) for $2300CDN!

BTW...I agree with other fellowes here. Ask Murbot!!!

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>The Apple care definitely hurts the resale value of your machine. People just don't want it on a used machine. If they were after warantee they'd buy new. And, since the iBook now costs less, is much lighter and more compact, yet outperforms the pismo in just about every way, you'll have to substantially undercut the cheapest ibook. I'll do you a favor and take that burdensome machine off your hands for 300USD, but you better hurry, the value is dropping all the time!</strong><hr></blockquote>

How's that, again? You have two pismos, comparably configured. One has no warranty and one has a two year one. Which would you choose? The same goes for a car. If you want to get a warranty on a used car, you go to Carmax. Sure you pay more, but do people do it? Yes. If you're buying used you want to have some security about things breaking. People buy used because they can't afford to buy new and if you can get something with a new feature (like a warranty) it makes it that much more attractive.

ps - if you were just joking so that you could offer $300 for the computer, I apologize. I looked for sarcasm, but couldn't find it (and I know you are articulate enough to be able to get your point across).
post #9 of 31
HAHAHA,

I thought I'd wait for a few replies first! Sorry. Naturally, AppleCare helps, I thought no one would take me seriously. Why even sell the Pismo? With 2 years of warrantee still on it, that means it's just a year old. Still new enough, I think. You can get yourself a 16-10-40x burner for 129 Canadian (after rebate) or a 24-10-40 for 199 Canadian. RAM is cheap, and so are HDD's. I dunno how much an external firewire case for the CDrw would cost, but I suspect that with 500$ Canadian you could scrounge up a HDD, optical and RAM boost for your machine. You haven't mentioned specific needs, and when I hear 'colledge student' I can't help but think you're trying to keep up just for the sake of keeping up. That's fine, if you're rich, or if you're Murbot, but since you're neither, I think a couple of wisely chosen accessories are your best bet.

Besides 2002 is shaping up to be a banner year for the PPC (and Apple) 550 may be nearly doubled by late 2002, use your Pismo at least till then.
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post #10 of 31
That was sarcasm. Notice the use of "burdensome" and "300USD".

Seriously, people, let's kick those brains in gear.

Oh, and I'll give you $301 for it, Cosmo!
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post #11 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>That was sarcasm. Notice the use of "burdensome" and "300USD".

Seriously, people, let's kick those brains in gear.

Oh, and I'll give you $301 for it, Cosmo!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I tried. I really did. But I couldn't see the sarcasm. Some people are too good for my sleepy mind to understand. (And I just say that you're not really a Microsoft zealot but your sense of irony and sarcasm are beyond me )
post #12 of 31
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Even though I AM a college student:

1) I'll be graduating in May, so I don't have much time left in school.
2) I do a lot of web and video production on my computer (including FCP2 and hopefully 3 soon). I would very much like to have the wide screen, G4 processor, and combo drive in my Powerbook -- none of which I can upgrade on my Pismo.

Any more ideas or tips. Thanks for the suggestions (and sarcasm) already posted.
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[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>
BTW...I agree with other fellowes here. Ask Murbot!!!

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

What is this all about? Is he the king of eBay or something?
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>

What is this all about? Is he the king of eBay or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's the one who knows how to selling computer without losing money and sometimes PROFIT! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> :eek: <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #15 of 31
Soldier on dear boy, soldier on! I really think processor speeds are going to go through the roof (in Apple terms at least) over the course of 2002. I'd hold off untill a job is secure at least. Your employer will supply the equipment you need, and the machine you have (with FCP 2) will let you do all the work you need to do. It was good enough for TV production 2 months ago, and it's still good enough today. Besides, you may need the money for food, rent, alcohol, women... Money's tight now, so just wait, the machine you 'want' can't really do more work than the one you 'have', hence it isn't a machine you really 'need'.

Have some will-power, you can kick consumer fetishism if you try.
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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>

That's an interesting idea. I've got a free online membership but $100 to save a couple hundred sounds like a great deal. Could you let me know how much the TiPBs are now? (if this would get you in trouble don't worry about it) Sounds almost too good to be true...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here's current developer pricing for certain configurations:
* 667/48/1024/Combo/AirPort ("Ultimate" BTO)-- $2,879
* 667/30/512/Combo/AirPort (Stock) -- $2,339
* 550/20/256/Combo/AirPort (Stock) -- $1,839
* iBook 600/30/128/Combo/AirPort (BTO: needs more memory) -- $1,613 - $100 rebate
* iPod -- $319

Don't forget about $100 for student membership. Also remember that you get 1 discount purchase, ever, as a student member.
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post #17 of 31
When I need a new PB I have to make a deal with one of you guys. The cheapest PB here is $3023. I could probably get myself a nice vacation for the money I save if I bougth in US under those conditions.

Anyone want a free student developer membership in a years time?
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post #18 of 31
I heard the call... and I have arrived!!

I don't do anything special. I have a perfect feedback rating of 28 (soon to be 30), which helps.

I write a nice little ad about the computer. You wouldn't believe how much this helps. I had an auction for a 600 MHz iMac a couple of months ago or so (I think...) that ended a full $250 US above another 600 MHz iMac that ended on the same day. The difference between our ads? His was a few lines long.. and mine was a page or 2... with big pictures of the actual product being sold. The real kicker is that he also had included an iSub, a MS Intellimouse, and an extra MS keyboard - and he got $250 LESS than me!

If you've got no dead pixels, make sure you mention that - it's a pretty big selling point.

Go on about how you've babied the machine, go on about all the cool things you can do with it. With the Pismo, explain the benefits of expansion bay hard drives, swappability, etc. You really can't write too much.

And for christ's sake check your email LOTS during an auction. I usually don't have anyone go more than half an hour without getting a response from me. (unless I'm sleeping of course) I know when I'm looking for something I can't stand waiting 24 frickin hours for a slacker seller to email me back.

On high priced items try not to use PayPal if you can - that 2.9% fee really takes it's toll on you. (bad US to CAD conversion rates for us Canucks too...)

Hey, it's not like I have some secret - just commom sense stuff. Make sure you have a few good big photos of the PowerBook in the ad. Having a small pic taken off the Apple website, and a one line description of the product.... makes you look like a fraud.

I think I'm just addicted to eBay myself... I know I'm going to be there in January selling the iBook that I'm picking up TODAY at my reseller! The lady finally came through with the money for my PowerBook (if she only knew about the combo drives..... ) so I'm grabbing the iBook... which will tide me over until I can place my order for the top of the line LCD iMac the second the Apple Store opens. I'm banking on the iBook not being touched at MWSF. Please Steve. Leave the poor iBook alone.

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So Murbot, your advice is to go with an eBay then? A couple of questions:

-- 1) If I shouldn't use paypal, what's the best way to go about getting their payment, including shipping costs (i.e. Do I figure out shipping before I auction it, or just tell the person "by the way, shipping will cost this much more than what you're paying")? A quick rundown of all that would be nice.

-- 2) Do you recommend formatting the page in Dreamweaver first than pasting the HTML code into eBay like torifile suggested?

-- 3) What's the best way to emphasize the AppleCare warranty, AND what procedure do I go through to transfer it to the new owner?

-- 4) Is there any time which would be better to put it up for auction? How long should I put it up for?

-- 5) What do you think of the "buy it now for" feature of eBay? Should I use it or not?

If I seem very ignorant on eBay stuff I am. I've never sold anything there, however I'm looking at selling several things there soon, so all that stuff would be good to know. Anybody else could reply to those questions too!
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[quote]Originally posted by Xool:
<strong>

Here's current developer pricing for certain configurations:
* 667/48/1024/Combo/AirPort ("Ultimate" BTO)-- $2,879
* 667/30/512/Combo/AirPort (Stock) -- $2,339
* 550/20/256/Combo/AirPort (Stock) -- $1,839
* iBook 600/30/128/Combo/AirPort (BTO: needs more memory) -- $1,613 - $100 rebate
* iPod -- $319

Don't forget about $100 for student membership. Also remember that you get 1 discount purchase, ever, as a student member.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You should probably double check Apple's developer site for more info as their policies might have changed. It appears that only Premier members get HW discounts now (although I'd expect student and select members to get the discount too). i dunno?
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Murbot, I know you already know this, but just wanted to say, you're my hero!! Ahh, nice to be back on AI. MacNN is nice and the people are very knowledgable, but for some reason, the conversations here are much more livelier (probably because you can actually speak your mind without some Apple apologist getting up your arse about it). Oh yes, a big shout-out to Leonis as well!
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The best place I have all ways found is the local free ads paper or the ad's in the local paper. This way most of the people looking at your ad don't really know about the fact that there may be something better just around the corner. They are just looking for a Portable Mac and a brand new system is out of there price range. If someone is searching e-bay they are more likely to be a pro, and more knowledgeable about the Mac scene.
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post #23 of 31
Hey Kestral! Long time no see buddy! I went back to MacNN a few days ago and took a look around.... and came back here. As much as I appreciated that place as an alternative to AI when it was down, I just can't get into MacNN. It's the members that make a forum, and frankly, we have much better members.


Some quick thoughts for you CosmoNut:


1. I am not certain about this, because I had a buyer tell me different during one of my auctions... but I don't think you can actually say in your ad that the buyer has to pay your 2.9% PayPal fee. I know that an auction of mine was ended by eBay earlier in the year for this reason, but it may have changed. I haven't looked into it.

What I do is say that I do not accept PayPal, only money orders, certified cheques, and wire transfers. I've had Canadian buyers go to the same branch of bank I deal with and deposit cash into my account as well after I gave them my banking info - instant payment! Put a line in there saying anyone who really wants to use PayPal has to contact you before bidding on your auction. Then tell them in your reply email that you will accept it if they pay the 2.9% fee (or you may split it with them - whatever you want).

Just tell people that "the buyer will pay all actual shipping costs through the carrier of their choice". Most people email me during an auction, and I will go to <a href="http://www.canadapost.ca" target="_blank">www.canadapost.ca</a> or <a href="http://www.fedex.ca" target="_blank">www.fedex.ca</a> and get a quick quote for them, since I already have the box dimensions and weight. If not, just do it afterwards and add it to the total.

2. I have seen some really nice ads done up like this, I guess it's up to you if you know what you're doing. Personally, I just write a nice little ad up and include some good photos of the product. That alone makes it stand out from lots of auctions. I can't believe the number of auction descriptions that have no spaces in them! (throw a &lt;p&gt; where you want to add a space between lines)

3. Make it one of the first things you mention in the ad. Use the date : "Covered by Apple Care until August 2003" - makes it sound sooo far away. The new owner registers the PowerBook with Apple - it's automatically transferred. I've never had to bother with this.

4. I try to put them up in the evening, when people are likely to be surfing then net. I never do more than a 3 day auction personally. Most people don't bid on things until the last or second to last day anyway. I just know that when I'm looking at auctions, if I see one that is interesting and it's not ending for 8 days, I just keep looking. I won't even bother to add it to My Auctions, because I won't want to wait around for 8 freakin days to see it end. Just MHO.

5. If you've never sold anything there before, you won't have to worry about Buy It Now. You need a feedback rating of at least 10 before you can use it. I do use it - I will set a reasonable reserve, but not too low, and have a pretty high Buy It Now price. It stays up there until the reserve is met, which is why you don't want a really low reserve - keep that BIT option up there as long as you can to give the right person the chance to see it.

And make sure you check your email lots during the auction. People appreciate a quick response.

Oh, and Mediaman, I wouldn't say most people browsing eBay are likely to be a pro, and more knowledgeable... just the opposite in fact!

I sold an iBook not too long ago on eBay. I pulled the auction because of some errors in my listing, and I got an email right away from an orthodontist in Maine. He asked if the iBook was still for sale, and I said yes. It was a combo drive, 600 MHz, 20 GB HD. It had a huge Buy It Now price at the time, one of the reasons I was pulling it off. The guy sent me $2150 US for the sucker! (with PayPal mind you - that included the extra I charged him for that) Anyway, not bad for an iBook that cost me $1875 (with tax and extra RAM) He asked me on the phone after I got the payment and had shipped it out "So I got a good deal, didn't I? I mean aren't these things like $2500?"

:eek:

Me: "Well, um, I don't know exactly what they charge down in the states, I always get messed up with the exchange rate... it might actually be closer to $2000, but you still got a pretty good deal with the extra RAM." (that's it - play dumb) heh heh Yeah I made pretty good on that one.

As for other brainiacs... I just sold a year old set of SoundSticks for (I am converting these figures to US...) $147.50, after having bought them a year ago for $160 from my local reseller. And they paid shipping to New York!

I think eBay is the best place to sell Mac hardware, bar none. It's like a game to some people "That bastard thinks he's going to get MY PowerBook? HA HA!" click. bid. click. bid. ....



Gotta love eBay.

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
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I think that PayPal thing is OK actually... I just checked a recent auction of mine and I actually had that bit about the buyer paying the fee in there...
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Murbot, I have three questions:

1. I was curious to know, has it been mostly Americans that have purchased your machines on eBay?

2. Is there any special things you have to do to send over the machines across the border? I take it you use Fedex to do so.

3. What machine do you currently have right now? (And if you have pictures, all the better)
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Yes, most buyers are from the US. I've actually been sending a fair bit of stuff through Canada Post's Xpresspost service. It's much cheaper than FedEx, and they take care of all the paperwork with regards to customs, etc. They only insure up to $1000 CDN though, so that's a big knock against it. I've sent Macs all over the US with them though and never had any trouble.

With FedEx you have to have 3 copies of a Commercial Invoice made up, and an FCC form... not a big deal though. You have to ship it by air if you want to insure it though. International Economy (2 day air) is what most things I send go by with FedEx.

I broke down and grabbed a combo drive iBook (600 MHz). I just couldn't stand to wait until after MWSF to get a new Mac. Plus I just got an iPod, so the new Mac was a necessity.

I will probably hang onto this until a week after MWSF, after I order my top of the line iMac, and try to break even moving it on eBay.

Haven't got the digital camera handy right now, but the setup is pretty cool. I've got it on a white Podium CoolPad from RoadTools, and have a pro keyboard and mouse hooked up. I LOVE it with the external keyboard and mouse.

It's a bit of a mess right now anyway, I've got 3 stacks of CDs here on the desk, probably 100 or so, and I'm ripping them all to MP3 and archiving them on CD-R. And of course loading them on my iPod... actually, I should get a shot of this - the iPod beside these big stacks of CDs. Amazing that they'll all fit on this little thing!
post #27 of 31
Hey Murbot:

If you are making profit with your iBook. Could you buy us Canucks some drink?
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post #28 of 31
Leonis, now that you're working again, you're the one that's buying us drinks!! And when I get a job, drinks are on me!!

Murbot, thanks for the answers - I was curious, how do you break even on the Macs you buy? I know that you buy them in Canada, do you pay provincial tax in Calgary? I have a feeling you don't so your hurdle is only a 7% tax. But here in Ontario, I have to pay 15% tax. Also, are you getting deals on top of regular retail price? I was on a chat channel recently and someone mentioned a good way to get a Mac for cheap is to join the Apple Developer thingy, there's a membership for $100 US which allows you to them buy one Mac of your choice at developer pricing. I don't know it was just someone blowing smoke though (can anyone here confirm this?)

At this point, I'm very happy with my iBook when I'm running OS 9. With OS X, I really think it needs a bigger screen, a G4 (preferably dual processor) to run more comfortably. I'm thinknig at some point I might attempt to go desktop again (but I don't want to), or if the TiBook ever gets a higher resolution screen, I may make that jump, but otherwise, I'm holding onto this little white beauty. First on my list when I get employment again is a digital camera, and perhaps a scanner, and I've always liked the Soundsticks. But for the most part I'm pretty happy with what I have, what I want more than anything at this point is to just get on with my life - work, travel, meet people, my aspirations at this point are less computer-oriented (though I'm working on learning some stuff like C, SQL).
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In BC we have to pay 14% total (GST + PST)

But on food related stuff and eating in restaurant we just need to pay GST. No PST....that's why I always yelled when I was in the east.....cause I have to pay BOTH taxes in there!!!!!!

BTW....my DVD 600 iBook runs just fine with OSX. Cinema 4D 7, Photoshop 7B, Illustator 10, Office X, no problem....

I will later try to install Maya on this machine

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post #30 of 31
I just pay the 7% GST here - none of that damn provincial sales tax in Alberta.

I do get really good pricing from the reseller here, I buy all my Macs from them, so obviously they want to keep me happy.

I am happy with my iBook's performance in OSX as well. (600 MHz Combo) I booted into X after reading the 9 vs. X thread here the other day, and I'm actually really happy with it.

One thing I did was buy an Apple Pro Keyboard and Pro Mouse to use with it, and it's on a White Podium CoolPad. It's basically like having an LCD iMac...

I don't always break even or make a few bucks on them though - I've lost money just as often. Usually if the machine is current, and there is no imminent changes coming, I do pretty good.
post #31 of 31
Here in sucky frozen Winnipeg we have the lovely 14% tax. Makes the most reasonable purchases get expensive so fast.

Nice to see so many Canadians here!

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