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You know people who are super excited about paying $100 a year to use Apps no more or less useful/capable than Free alternatives?

 

You might not be interested but I know folks in large enterprises that are stoked. This release has a zero cost impact to their business since more of them are migrating to or are already on Office 365. A lot of focus on AI is on a personal use case, whereas Microsoft's biggest customers are large enterprises. Those people aren't using iWork. Also, those free alternatives don't support Office as well as these do. Another thing...these apps look to be very well designed and developed. Credit should be given when due.

 

I'll again reiterate that I am not a Office 365 customer and these releases won't change that, but I can see how this is a huge deal for Apple.

 

As a small side note, Apple actually uses Microsoft Azure (name was recently changed from Windows Azure) and Siri even defaults to Bing for searches. For all the animosity towards Microsoft on these forums, Apple and Microsoft actually have a pretty solid working relationship. I don't really use Microsoft products but I am also not blind to the realities of the industry.

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Originally Posted by foad View Post
Tim Cook tweeting about this and Office getting prominent placement on the App Store shows how big a deal this is.

 

No, not in the slightest. Apple acknowledged IBM entering the PC market and the App Store gets placement based on downloads.

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post #83 of 105

I'd also add...these apps are ahead of even what Microsoft has on Windows with regards to touch UI. Microsoft put out a release that is better on iOS than Windows RT. That says something.

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No, not in the slightest. Apple acknowledged IBM entering the PC market and the App Store gets placement based on downloads.

 

As far as I know being placed in the main carousel in the App Store isn't based on downloads. It is curated.

 

Ultimately, I don't get all the animosity with this release. Sure, Microsoft should have released it earlier but having it out on iOS right now is a huge boon for Apple. It further emphasizes iOS as an enterprise platform.

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The new Office apps for iOS is only part of the MS announcements today. The New mobile enterprise management suite is a pretty big deal because not even Apple or Google have a suite as full featured as the EMS system from Microsoft which works across most mobile device platforms including Windows Phone, iPhone/iPad as well as Samsung Android devices reportedly. A real advantage for big enterprise IT departments who need to accommodate BYOD. For people or companies who use MS cloud services like One Drive or Office 365 it provides single Active Directory sign on for all of MS services. I know people here often say that MS is becoming irrelevant but it seams that they are shifting gears to support all mobile platforms, not just Windows.

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So i can see a lot of people creating their Office documents on the computer and then displaying them on an iPad, Having used iWork on my iPad i found it underwhelming. i can imagine Office will be the same. my biggest question is dose VBA work on the iPad. if so Excel for iPad may be the only app here that i would download. i also cant see how with a good Formula you couldn't have your spreadsheets Dynamic and uploading over your network from other spreadsheets. and assuming Macro's work then i would never need to actually use the iPad to edit.

will try excel on the weekend to test
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Originally Posted by foad View Post

Sure, Microsoft should have released it earlier

 

I’d go with ‘not at all’.

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I’d go with ‘not at all’.

 

Is there a particular reason why? I'm genuinely curious. I don't see this release as a negative at all.

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Is there a particular reason why? I'm genuinely curious. I don't see this release as a negative at all.

He passionately hates everything MS related (or non-Apple related?). It's like Balmer road-killed his cat or something. Really interesting to observe.
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Originally Posted by foad View Post

Is there a particular reason why? I'm genuinely curious. I don't see this release as a negative at all.

 

I’d much rather Microsoft carve their own path than to keep whoring out their past evils. I’m quite pleased with Windows Phone 7/8, for example. It deserves to be the majority of the market that isn’t Apple, however large that majority may be.

 

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He passionately hates everything MS related (or non-Apple related?). It's like Balmer road-killed his cat or something. Really interesting to observe.

 

How about not saying words you don’t know, ‘kay?

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I’d much rather Microsoft carve their own path than to keep whoring out their past evils. I’m quite pleased with Windows Phone 7/8, for example. It deserves to be the majority of the market that isn’t Apple, however large that majority may be.


How about not saying words you don’t know, ‘kay?

Why, that's the best way to learn them 1wink.gif
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Don't look now, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see more collaboration between Apple and Microsoft. Unless you're living inside your XBox you'd know that Windows Phone isn't exactly going anywhere. Microsoft badly needs a winner in the mobile space.

This gives Microsoft a legitimate revenue stream outside the desktop and gives them more leverage to exorcise the Desktop Paradigm from Windows 8 and Surface. I have zero doubt that Microsoft knows how to do Touch very well. Dragging along the desktop wart is killing them on Surface just as much as the Metro wart is killing their desktop solution. That's a marriage that should have headed to Reno for a quicky divorce years ago. Once they get these two equally viable software platforms back on their proper host platforms and form factors we will see a reinvigorated Microsoft.

What's this mean for Apple? At the present time not much other than to further legitimize the genius that the iPad concept really is. Apple will continue to innovate in new product areas in ways that few other companies can approach. Apple seems to be one of the few companies that is able to pull off disruptive innovation on its own products and not only survive but prosper enormously while also disrupting their competition. That is something almost no other company has been able to do, mostly because they are deathly afraid of self disruption. Apple has balls.

Having MS Office on iPad is a textbook definition of a symbiotic relationship.

The biggest threats to Apple and Microsoft are not one another, and not even Google, it's the vastly expanding potential for disruption that is represented in emerging economies and societies that have not grown complacent in admiring their past and current accomplishments. I think Apple and Google see the light and Microsoft is finally started to take off its Ballmer Glasses, i.e., blinders.

This is all good.
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MS will sell a lot of these subscriptions. They will keep that price for the simple fact that Apple users can afford it.

This isn't the Android people they are dealing with yet. I would imagine they will release an Android version at some point.

 

MS needs to make money from it first.

 

 

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I am definitely doing great then. I hear the term "best looking guy ever" so often on a daily basis that i have lost any sensitivity to it.

I am not just the baddest ass mother fucker here. I am also the prettiest.

Don't hate me because I am beautiful.

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MS will sell a lot of these subscriptions. They will keep that price for the simple fact that Apple users can afford it.

This isn't the Android people they are dealing with yet. 

I think the target market for MS Office for iPad is business users who are more than likely iPhone/iPad/Windows users and whose company will pay the subscription price. People on Apple centric forums like this seem to forget that most iPhone/iPad users are also Windows users, especially if they are business types. Apple fans tend to think that all Windows users are Apple haters. Not only is that not true, there is a strong acceptance to the iPhone/iPad by almost everyone including Windows users and if they are in business, this release of Office for iPad should be very welcome.

 

Edit: Perhaps I should mention that I am a Mac user in a Windows centric corporation. I rarely use Office, which is not even installed on my Mac and I would certainly not consider buying Office for iPad, just so no one gets the wrong idea.


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There is an Office 2011 for Mac, but no Office 365. So I am confused what Mac users are supposed to do to use Office on iPad. Pay for Office 365 subscription anyway? Does anyone know?
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Good on them. They will make a fortune on this and it will make Steve Ballmer look foolish for not doing it when he was in charge.
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If you're happy with iworks- than move along- nothing to see here. However, home/student users are NOT the entire market.... It's a great app, but not EVERYONE is completely served by the (admittedly elegant) but stripped-down suite.

 

There is a BIG segment of corporate Ipad users that have been waiting for an ipad-native office.  BTW, many of them already have office365 licenses, so this was a big (free) upgrade.

 

We have TONS of corporate PowerPoints that just don't work 100% on Ipads.... whether they are converted to Keynote or opened in other 3rd party-apps.... they are not perfect.

 

It's a no-brainer HUGE win for most corporate users (of which there are MANY). BTW, for most uses, it's free anyways. Again, MOST people do not CREATE massive content on their ipads- they use them for display or reading- and for that use- this is FREE.

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If you're happy with iworks- than move along- nothing to see here. However, home/student users are NOT the entire market.... It's a great app, but not EVERYONE is completely served by the (admittedly elegant) but stripped-down suite.

 

There is a BIG segment of corporate Ipad users that have been waiting for an ipad-native office.  BTW, many of them already have office365 licenses, so this was a big (free) upgrade.

 

We have TONS of corporate PowerPoints that just don't work 100% on Ipads.... whether they are converted to Keynote or opened in other 3rd party-apps.... they are not perfect.

 

It's a no-brainer HUGE win for most corporate users (of which there are MANY). BTW, for most uses, it's free anyways. Again, MOST people do not CREATE massive content on their ipads- they use them for display or reading- and for that use- this is FREE.

 

Absolutely right.

 

Even with the impressive progress Macs have made into the Enterprise, in large corporations, Excel and Powerpoint are still king.  There is no question we'll start using this at work.  It will be a huge benefit.

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There is an Office 2011 for Mac, but no Office 365. So I am confused what Mac users are supposed to do to use Office on iPad. Pay for Office 365 subscription anyway? Does anyone know?

 

Office 2011 comes as part of Office 365. Files can be stored on OneDrive or Sharepoint servers, therefor they can be accessed on the iPad.

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If I were a woman (which I'm not), I'd much rather see an attractive man present a new product than Crazy Uncle Ballmer.

As a man, I'd much rather see an attractive woman present a new product than Crazy Uncle Ballmer.

Also, as a man, I'd much rather see an attractive man present a new product than Crazy Uncle Ballmer.

I hope we're not going to turn this into a giant debate about sexism because someone called someone else attractive?  1rolleyes.gif  

As a man, I'd rather see Apple present a new product.
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Why does Apple bashing and trolling make people feel so good?

I don't think it makes them feel good. I think they are in a state of rage, foaming at the mouth.
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Maybe one of the reasons women in tech are as elusive as unicorns is because when they do an outstanding job, the quality of their work is not the thing they are complimented on, it's their appearance.

Engineering has a catastrophic problem with recruiting women and it needs to be solved, not ignored.

Women have a catastrophic problem with engineering.
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iWork is better and free!

 

I doubt it's better.   It's a decent product to be sure.  It still doesn't compare to Office for business productivity and compatibility.  However, I won't spend $100 a year as an educator just to be able to edit docs on my iPad.  It's really aimed at businesses, I think.  In my opinion, sales are probably going to be dismal for anyone outside of corporate America.  If they went to a tiered system with different one-time/subscription prices for home and business users, they'd do better.  

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I doubt it's better.   It's a decent product to be sure.  It still doesn't compare to Office for business productivity and compatibility.  However, I won't spend $100 a year as an educator just to be able to edit docs on my iPad.  It's really aimed at businesses, I think.  In my opinion, sales are probably going to be dismal for anyone outside of corporate America.  If they went to a tiered system with different one-time/subscription prices for home and business users, they'd do better.  

 

Since you're an educator, you should be able to get it at about $54 annually. Additionally, if you don't qualify for the edu pricing, you'll be able to get Office 365 Personal at $69 annually sometime this spring. That new SKU has a limitation of one PC or Mac as well as a single tablet. I still think iWork is a better deal because it isn't hindered by being a subscription.

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Since you're an educator, you should be able to get it at about $54 annually. Additionally, if you don't qualify for the edu pricing, you'll be able to get Office 365 Personal at $69 annually sometime this spring. That new SKU has a limitation of one PC or Mac as well as a single tablet. I still think iWork is a better deal because it isn't hindered by being a subscription.

 

Thanks.  That's a little better, but it's still a lot of money once a few years goes by.  As you said, iWork is a better deal.  And when it comes to real word processing, I really don't use an iPad anyway.  I need the feel of a traditional keyboard for that.  

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