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post #41 of 68
It looks great. And I'm never buying it. $99 a year is completely absurd. As a teacher, I can buy full Office for Mac for what...$150? Why in the world would I subscribe to Office 365 for $100 a year?
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post #42 of 68
A major problem is the inability to connect to DropBox or any other non-Microsoft cloud. For this reason, I could not read any of my MS-Office docs, spreadsheets, or presentations with MS-Office for iPad. I won't be trying the iPad Office until this is worked out.
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So this is interesting i downloaded it and opened one of my excel spreadsheets. firstly all Formulas that refer to an external spreadsheet are instantly set as the last data saved. (no dynamically updating spreadsheets) the sparklines don't work and no pictures. so this app is worse than Numbers.

AI please do a good comparison review especially with these things.

Although i am not surprised that Microsoft's offering is not even as advertised as their offering are rarely as advertised i would have thought they would have gotten some features right.

Does Excel support pivot tables?
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Also No Support for pivot tables. the data is set as what it was saved as last with no ability to select options

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Also No Support for pivot tables.

Mmm... Apple removed categories from OSX Numbers to make it feature equivalent on iOS and iCloud -- I wonder why MS did this.

Could you find any help or feature list?

BTW, you can get a free 1 month trial of Office 365 at the MS web site.

BTW2, this is the best implementation of the ribbon menu that I've seen in any MS product.
Edited by Dick Applebaum - 3/27/14 at 4:37pm
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post #46 of 68
First impression: Word is a pretty good app -- it's responsive, has most needed features and

seems to be well implemented.

It will be interesting to do a feature by feature comparison with Pages.

I suspect that many in enterprise will require Word -- for those who don't and for home use it's hard to the price of Pages!

In either case, Apple and the iPad win!
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post #47 of 68
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Does Excel support pivot tables?

no

 

Alas i did a quick comparison with Numbers opening the same Excel spreadsheet and Numbers removed all of the Formulas but did keep the images (although they lost any Excel formatting)

 

Also no support for expanding and collapsing groups for either program.

post #48 of 68
Apple will be making more money from selling a year's subscription to Office 365 for Office for iPad than if they sold the whole suite of iWork. Is this why the recently launched new versions of iWork are actually less productive, less capable, and less useful than the old ones?
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First impression: Word is a pretty good app -- it's responsive, has most needed features and

seems to be well implemented.

It will be interesting to do a feature by feature comparison with Pages.

I suspect that many in enterprise will require Word -- for those who don't and for home use it's hard to the price of Pages!

In either case, Apple and the iPad win!

 

 

the editing tools seem very minimal there is only 4 colors to choose from on my iPhone

post #50 of 68

the word editing tools are very lacking on my iPhone only three colors and "no ability to copy and paste"

 

[Edit] i found the copy mode you have to double tap???  why is Microsoft not using the "system" copy and paste?

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Heck, no. I just wanted responses, so thank you for DED.
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post #52 of 68
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First impression: Word is a pretty good app -- it's responsive, has most needed features and

seems to be well implemented.

It will be interesting to do a feature by feature comparison with Pages.

I suspect that many in enterprise will require Word -- for those who don't and for home use it's hard to the price of Pages!

In either case, Apple and the iPad win!

Does Word work in portrait mode? All screen dumps are landscape, all 3 apps.
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Apple will be making more money from selling a year's subscription to Office 365 for Office for iPad than if they sold the whole suite of iWork. Is this why the recently launched new versions of iWork are actually less productive, less capable, and less useful than the old ones?

Apple doesn't take a cut. The subscription is being sold through MS.

Edit: it now turns out they do. Mea culpa.
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Don't forget the mind-numbing, wandering-rant, jaw-dropping anti-Microsoft editorial!

DED is probably cooking up a hot mess as I type this. Should be shocking and appalling, as per ever. Every time I read (the first paragraph of) one of his "articles" by mistake I consider deleting my AI bookmark and going back to macrumors.

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A link to the presentation would be great AI.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2014/mar14/03-27mobilecloudpr.aspx

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I have to say that although I'm not a fan of this subscription model, the Apps do look very good.

I think the presentation overall was great - well done Microsoft!

All I see is one picture and one grey rectangle window. Guess that's where the stream is. Probably Silverlight...

Thanks though

edit: just watched in on my Mac. Good presentation. Really looking forward to see their innovations for the new Windows version next week.
Edited by PhilBoogie - 3/28/14 at 5:44am
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post #55 of 68
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Does Word work in portrait mode? All screen dumps are landscape, all 3 apps.
Apple doesn't take a cut. The subscription is being sold through MS.

Edit: it now turns out they do. Mea culpa.

 

No worries. I always check my info before posting, saves embarrassment! And there were two sources saying the cut was real: 'nuf said. :-)

post #56 of 68
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Apple will be making more money from selling a year's subscription to Office 365 for Office for iPad than if they sold the whole suite of iWork. Is this why the recently launched new versions of iWork are actually less productive, less capable, and less useful than the old ones?

Interesting conspiracy theory, but I think the accepted explanation for the iWork for OS X downgrade is so that all versions of iWork have feature parity. The hope is that they will restore the missing features as they can be reintroduced on the platforms simultaneously, especially difficult on iCloud, which is shackled with the limitations of HTML5. 

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Interesting conspiracy theory, but I think the accepted explanation for the iWork for OS X downgrade is so that all versions of iWork have feature parity. The hope is that they will restore the missing features as they can be reintroduced on the platforms simultaneously, especially difficult on iCloud, which is shackled with the limitations of HTML5. 

http://www.macworld.com/article/2090767/iwork-updates-for-mac-ios-return-missing-features.html

They had already brought back a few missing features.  Supposedly an additional reason why iWork for OSX downgraded, along with feature parity, is that all of it was rewritten from the ground up.  Is it my imagination or does it open and handle non Apple formats better now?  I suspect that more of the features will make their way back

post #58 of 68
Best feature I have found so far on free version is: open a template in PowerPoint, email it to yourself, open in Keynote and you can use the template. Use the open in another program feature and open it back up in PowerPoint too. Haven't been able to find the word and excel apps so don't know if this works with them as well.
post #59 of 68
But ... But ... i thought iPads were just for entertainment, and that no serious productive work could be done with them, in particular because they have no keyboard ?

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post #60 of 68
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"...and find it interesting that the company is giving the downloads away for free. This is likely because they know they can't sell the applications themselves while Apple is including iWork for free with all new iOS device purchases"

No. It's the only way to avoid giving Apple 30% of their cut.

70% > 0
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post #61 of 68
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Interesting conspiracy theory, but I think the accepted explanation for the iWork for OS X downgrade is so that all versions of iWork have feature parity. The hope is that they will restore the missing features as they can be reintroduced on the platforms simultaneously, especially difficult on iCloud, which is shackled with the limitations of HTML5. 

Of course that's widely known but I'm looking at motivations, not PR explanations. Why degrade a product unless you know a better one is in the wings - more full featured and more profitable too? It's public knowledge that Apple only upgraded iWork to a very usable product when Microsoft were threatening to remove Office from Macs altogether, and as soon as a full featured Office appeared, with Macro functionality, iWork was put on the shelf to gather dust - it's five years since iWork 09 was released, although there were minor improvements loaded as "unlabelled additions" in OS or iTunes upgrades occasionally. And of course, Apple never wanted to write "business software" which is how Microsoft got started with Office anyway...

 

From my perspective it's a tragedy if Apple persist with this product degrade/cross platform feature parity as I use iWork at work and never on my iPad (although I do have it there) and will NOT be getting MS Office due to a number of factors, not least of which are the terrible user interface, the lack of intuitiveness, and the pricing model.

 

The problem is an iPad is not a desktop computer, and I don't use them in the same way at all. Making software assuming people do is missing the point; it seems more like just following whatever the financial analysts and Samsung/Microsoft shills scream that Apple doesn't have... or should do.

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All I see is one picture and one grey rectangle window. Guess that's where the stream is. Probably Silverlight...

Thanks though

edit: just watched in on my Mac. Good presentation. Really looking forward to see their innovations for the new Windows version next week.

You're welcome :)

 

I'm also intrigued as to what is in store for the new version of Office. 

 

iWorks is more than enough for my requirements but I still have a soft-spot for good old Office... 

post #63 of 68
I HATE this review. Subscription models are simply UNACCEPTABLE for a large number of people. Therefore, this software is crap. Subscriptions don't go with certain personalities
post #64 of 68
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BTW2, this is the best implementation of the ribbon menu that I've seen in any MS product.

Ugh.  Next can you point me to the best implementation of ... um, something else that really sucks.  Sorry, I thought I could up up with a good metaphor when I started that sentence.  Apparently my complete and utter distain for the ribbon menu and its unique ability to misplace and hide commands in plain sight threw me off.  I'll try to do better next time.

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DED is probably cooking up a hot mess as I type this. Should be shocking and appalling, as per ever. Every time I read (the first paragraph of) one of his "articles" by mistake I consider deleting my AI bookmark and going back to macrumors.

I like the other writers, as a rule, more than the macrumors writers, though.

As you prefer trash to quality writing, you should return to macrumors.
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post #66 of 68
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I HATE this review. Subscription models are simply UNACCEPTABLE for a large number of people. Therefore, this software is crap. Subscriptions don't go with certain personalities
Wow you decide a piece of software is crap because of the pricing policy and not what it can offer or do!
Subscription models are here to stay. If anything they are more likely. Just like physical media the time of buying at a one off price for a version of big productivty suites are numbered.
post #67 of 68
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It looks great. And I'm never buying it. $99 a year is completely absurd. As a teacher, I can buy full Office for Mac for what...$150? Why in the world would I subscribe to Office 365 for $100 a year?
for the ability to have office suite on 5 pcs/macs and 5 tablets. Though you wouldnt get publisher or access on the mac.
Ymmv but for some its a good deal for others its not and for some its never on my computer you blood sucking bastid of a company.
post #68 of 68
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A major problem is the inability to connect to DropBox or any other non-Microsoft cloud. For this reason, I could not read any of my MS-Office docs, spreadsheets, or presentations with MS-Office for iPad. I won't be trying the iPad Office until this is worked out.

 

The simplest solution here is for Microsoft to give users the ability to map their other cloud drives into OneDrive. In that way, you must use OneDrive, but within it you have access to Dropbox and others.

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