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Here come the spec chasers, so disappointed in Apple. So concerned that Apple doesn't chase every competitor. So concerned that Apple doesn't believe in "more is more."

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I'm disappointed Apple didn't release something similar last year.  At the very latest, last month.  I'm also not concerned Apple will "chase" a competitor- I'm concerned Apple didn't beat them to the punch like they normally do.  Had Apple released a similar device last month, everyone would laugh at this box and it would be DOA.  Will it still be DOA- possibly, but it's hard to argue that its not the best box out there right now.  Outside of Airplay and iTunes access- it crushes the ATV in a multitude of ways.

 

Again, tell me why Apple couldn't have released an Apple TV with:

A7- which they already have

Voice Search- which they already have

Gaming- which they already have controllers for

App Store- which they could easily already have

 

That isn't "spec chasing"- sorry.

 

I'm holding out that Apple has some proprietary or specific reason why they were holding out. If its what I mentioned above- I'll be extremely happy, but I'll also say- what took so long?

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I feel that Apple dropped the ball here. They sat back, not introducing new features such as gaming, which has allowed Amazon to step in.

I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!
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I think the two really appealing features to me are voice search (if it works well) and also the game style controller. Even if you don't game at all these controller are far easier to zoom through Netflix if you are sitting in the dark while watching a movie like I tend to do.

Makes sense, but is that worth spending another $40 on top of paying $99 just to get this controller?

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I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!

That is what I'm hoping. This device, like the Apple TV that arrived back in 2007 and every other competitor that emerged after it are all dead-end devices.

I want Apple to release something that truly integrated the living room into a simple system. Having to grab the TV remote (or grab the programmable remote to then hit the button to control the TV) to then switch between inputs is a failure. I was hoping this comparatively large box from Amazon that doesn't contain a HDD or PSU would at least have an HDMI passthrough. That at least would mean the FireTV UI would always be available.

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I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!
 
I hope so :)

 

 

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Makes sense, but is that worth spending another $40 on top of paying $99 just to get this controller?

Apple's will be the same.  Although they opened up their controller design to third parties and likely won't have their own (all the better).  And while the games won't be up to par with those of the PS4 and Xbox, they will be substantially less expensive.  So its a "price sans quality" deal.

 

Now the only downside is most casual gamers arent worried about controllers, and the controllers were likely intended to appeal to the casual gamer- who would prefer touch screen.  But again, Apple is likely aiming at the exact same thing.

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The amount of NAND seems surprisingly low at 8GB and I'm not seeing an SD Card slot, which would actually come in handy on such a device. 

Agree. Perhaps the USB port can be used for external storage.

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I expect Apple to announce something at WWDC, including an AppStore. I don't see how Amazon announcing something 2 months earlier is a big deal. Kindle Fire didn't stop Apple from selling a shitload of iPad minis.
That will depend if it ships straight away. Amazon could have a 6+ month lead.

If Amazon get a third party app that gives AirPlay functionality and then a lot of business sales of ATV disappear. Companies want a single device to be able to support both Apple and Android devices to stream presentations.

Is that true? According to what I've read most of the businesses use iOS (86%-92%) for AirPlay==>AppleTV presos.
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post #47 of 190

Nothing too innovative here if you ask me.  Not 2160P/4K capable, no H.265/HEVC support (to me this is critical for a 2014-released streamer!), no 802.11AC support, no Bluetooth 4.1 support.  

 

As for games and voice search -- it's all stuff that competition has done and Jobs talked about...  

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God, that AI looks like a cross between Plex Home Theatre and Windows 8 Modern UI... I'll still take Plex or Apple TV over this thing any day. And knowing Amazon, the build quality will be shit.

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It feels like point Amazon advantage Amazon.

It's hard watching lesser companies do greater things than Apple.

It's hard watching other companies dominate phones tablets and wearables. And streaming.

Apple you can't hit the ball if you never swing.

I really hope Tim lives up to his promise and releases new stuff this year.

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I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!

Exactly. Let the others show their hand then whip out a 4K ATV gaming rig with some live TV.
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I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!

I dunno, nobody is going to sit around for the rumored "Fantastic new" ATV. If I want a streamer box I buy what's best available now. I have an ATV and a Roku I see no need to rush out and buy a new Amazon FireTV or a new ATV. Maybe when one of them craps out I will. Same for new buyers, IMO they will buy best of what is available and stick with it until they "need" a new device.

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It runs (an Amazon version of) Android. I need know nothing more.
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DEDICATED GAME CONTROLLERS.

 

BLUETOOTH (no line-of-sight) REMOTE.

 

Are you listening, Apple?


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TCompanies want a single device to be able to support both Apple and Android devices to stream presentations.
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I think the two really appealing features to me are voice search (if it works well)

 

My prediction: it won't (it never does), but at least Amazon had the good sense to put the mic in the remote so you're not shouting at your TV.

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post #56 of 190
Great idea by Amazon. Hopefully, Apple will come out with an Apple TV that integrates with the App Store and has a video game controller. It's time for some new innovation from Apple that goes beyond a device just being 'lighter' then its predecessor.
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You know what I'd really like to see?  Not an Apple-branded smart TV.  Not a standalone AppleTV.  But an Apple media HT receiver.  Current HT receivers are crap.  The remotes suck.  The setup sucks.  The complexity sucks.  Just put it all into one great package already.  Built a great HT receiver with plenty of power, pristine audio and video quality and a great on-screen UI, fully controllable from iPhone/iPad.  AppleTV functionality is built in.  And it functions in a thoughtful way.  When I play music, it automatically switches the audio mode to my preferred setup for music (direct stereo, 7-ch stereo, whatever).  When I watch movies, it automatically switches the audio mode to Dolby/DTS surround.  The HT receiver space is in desperate need of a reinvention.

 

This would be a product that could still command a decent profit margin (unlike a TV) while filling in a gap currently dominated by horrific products.

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It feels like point Amazon advantage Amazon.

It's hard watching lesser companies do greater things than Apple.

It's hard watching other companies dominate phones tablets and wearables. And streaming.

Apple you can't hit the ball if you never swing.

I really hope Tim lives up to his promise and releases new stuff this year.

Ease up on relentless perfectionism!
What other company(ies) are DOMINATING any of these areas? Certainly no one is in wearables. In fact I just saw an article about how 40% of smartwatch/fitness band owners stop using the product after a few months and don't have plans to buy another one again.

What is it with all the nervous nellies every time a competitor releases a new product? Geez....
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I think the two really appealing features to me are voice search (if it works well) and also the game style controller. Even if you don't game at all these controller are far easier to zoom through Netflix if you are sitting in the dark while watching a movie like I tend to do.

Makes sense, but is that worth spending another $40 on top of paying $99 just to get this controller?

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!

That is what I'm hoping. This device, like the Apple TV that arrived back in 2007 and every other competitor that emerged after it are all dead-end devices.

I want Apple to release something that truly integrated the living room into a simple system. Having to grab the TV remote (or grab the programmable remote to then hit the button to control the TV) to then switch between inputs is a failure. I was hoping this comparatively large box from Amazon that doesn't contain a HDD or PSU would at least have an HDMI passthrough. That at least would mean the FireTV UI would always be available.

I think HDMI passthrough (cable box bypass) is the key.

If Apple can include this, along with ac WiFi -- they could stream separate, concurrent live TV to multiple Personal TVs (iPads, iPhones) within the home (or enterprise/institution).

We currently do exactly that using n WiFi from a Mac running ServeToMe streaming [the same or] different videos to iPads/iPhones -- the most we've tried is 5 concurrent sessions. We have about 3,000 videos in our Home Library.


BTW, this capability is excellent for education/training videos, e.g. a 12-hour FCPX course, a Real Estate Broker Training course, a driver training course, etc.

An Apple Tie-in with some education/training content providers would be great!
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The reality is, at the end of the day all of these media boxes are just becoming a commodity to move content you're already paying/paid for through to your screen. Period. One will likely select which one they want based on the vendor providing the user the most content. Buy stuff through iTunes and use iTunes Match? Apple TV. Prime customer with free Amazon Instant Video? Amazon box. Google Play and Google Apps? Chromecast. All of them (eventually) will have the same support for the other 3rd parties for the Netflix, HBOs and Vevos of the world.  These guys don't care how you watch, they get paid for the content either way and the more support they can offer the better their product looks. 

 

The hardware running it, wifi bands, game controllers and other crap is way down the list in priorities. What will separate them is the interfaces, and right now that's where Apple is lacking. As much as I use both Apple TVs in my house everyday the UI is messy joke and the furthest thing from being any sort of intuitive as the rest of Apple's products. It's beyond time they do something with it. Even Amazon's box here just in pictures  looks better, which is pretty sad. 

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Quad Core is marketecture.

802.11n is old stuff.


Apple will deliver a much better product IMO

Well, they certainly have not so far. They have been sitting on Apple TV for years. Huge missed opportunity in my opinion. They better be working up something good because I have gone to Bestbuy for over a year trying to talk myself into getting Apple TV but it is just so lame that I can't. I have an LG smart TV so I need more than netflix on Apple TV to get it. Anyway, Hope you are right.

 

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That's a pretty impressive $99 streamer. I don't see anywhere that Amazon has skimped on it hardware-wise either. A better remote than any of their competitors, excellent internals for the box itself and a tiny form-factor. Then add in lots of content and even an upcoming child-friendly "FreeTime" content version that parents will probably love and I think Amazon may well have best-in-category at this point.

Agree 100%. Apple's current offering sucks against this.

 

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I feel that Apple dropped the ball here. They sat back, not introducing new features such as gaming, which has allowed Amazon to step in.

I agree.

 

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I expect Apple to announce something at WWDC, including an AppStore. I don't see how Amazon announcing something 2 months earlier is a big deal. Kindle Fire didn't stop Apple from selling a shitload of iPad minis.

Hopefully Apple will because the "We got excellent products coming" BS needs to come to an end. If the iPhone 6 isn't a nice upgrade, I will pass on the 2 year cycle (iPhone 3G, 4, 5) for the first time. I love my iPhone 5 enough to keep it for 3 or 4 years. Definitely will need a larger screen option for the iPhone. That HTC is looking pretty decent.

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Game changer.

not really... at least not for Apple.   

The major issue here is locally sourced games and dedicated controllers.   in about 2 game buying cycles (10 years), dedicated controllers will be like pinball machines... relics of a different era.

 

Apple's strategy is clear... the iPad/iPhone is the controller and game player.   Your TV is just a larger display.   and I want to see people play games in their car with FireTV.

 

Same for voice search.

 

I think Apple is defining it's game just fine.

 

But as the story goes...  whether the elephants are mating or fighting, the mice on the ground have to fear for their lives.

 

Roku, Playstation, Xbox et al are dead to me now (as investments).  The slow migration from several 'living room entertainment devices' to one cloud enabled device is the mass market play.  My guess is you're either a content play (netflix, game feeds), or a hobbyist play (open source ardino sort of thing).  

 

Having one or 2 other big players in the market is good for Apple... as that makes content negotiations actually happen. (the issue is that content distribution owners want competition... the problem with iTunes and AppleTV is that without competition, the labels felt that they were unable to negotiate from a position of strength thus they'd rather not negotiate at all and be pirated.... because at least in piracy there was a boogie man to blame, not themselves, for lost profits).

 

Google with Google TV, ChromeCast, Google Fiber....  is a reasonable 3rd player... but as I stated in another thread, they don't seem to be playing to a singular 'team strategy' 

 

Samsung can build this into their TVs without the box, but I don't see an ecosystem forming, unless their appliance divisions and mobile divisions start playing nice.  I think anyone on the TV manufacturing front is playing to where the puck used to be, just trying to checkbox 'ethernet,' 'wireless,' 'USB3.0' 'Netflix,' 'Vimeo' [add content de jur...].

 

The future of the home entertainment center will be closer to what Amazon and Apple are doing than what anyone else is doing.

- seamless integration between content sources

- integrated search and identification of all content 'on now' 'on the net' 'coming up later'  I am or have been interested in

     (be cool for your TV to learn that you like to watch Rockford File, and get reminders about cable/OTA episodes, or releases to one of your 'deep cloud DVR sites [amazon prime netflix, iTunes].

- 2/5/7.1 sound

- high speed networking

- customizable content sources

- Intelligent navigation of all content (learning, voice controlled)

- ability to play single, local multi, and internet-multi-player games

- one controller for TV, STB and any local content sources (BluRay via HDCP)

- one click purchase of stuff you want to watch.

 

That's the game.   Who else can play it?

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I'm speculating here, but I think Apple has played this just right -- let the others show their catch up offerings, then blow them away with a new/replacement AppleTV.

Timing means a lot!

Exactly. Let the others show their hand then whip out a 4K ATV gaming rig with some live TV.

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What other company(ies) are DOMINATING any of these areas? Certainly no one is in wearables. In fact I just saw an article about how 40% of smartwatch/fitness band owners stop using the product after a few months and don't have plans to buy another one again.

What is it with all the nervous nellies every time a competitor releases a new product? Geez....

This is a common trope. Someone does something feeble but because Apple isn't doing it Apple is weak and pathetic. Apple was wrong not to release a phone with a keyboard. Apple was wrong not support Flash Lite. Apple was wrong not to make a tablet that ran Mac OS X. Apple was wrong to support USB.

We waited decades for a proper tablet from Apple and it finally arrived it was considered a failure and yet soon after all those asshats were eating those words and yet years later the iPad is far and away the dominate tablet platform with a few low-lying copycat competitors eating up the low-end. There is something to say with building it right over building it first. Some people apparently never heard the story of the Three Little Pigs as children.

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post #65 of 190
pretty impressive release. will put some pressure on the xbox360/ps3/wiiU crowd.

apple could have been the first to market with this capability. now they're playing catch up. a bit disappointing. i have an apple tv which is collecting dust right now.
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Well, they certainly have not so far. They have been sitting on Apple TV for years. Huge missed opportunity in my opinion. They better be working up something good because I have gone to Bestbuy for over a year trying to talk myself into getting Apple TV but it is just so lame that I can't. I have an LG smart TV so I need more than netflix on Apple TV to get it. Anyway, Hope you are right.

 

Agree 100%. Apple's current offering sucks against this.

 

I agree.

 

Hopefully Apple will because the "We got excellent products coming" BS needs to come to an end. If the iPhone 6 isn't a nice upgrade, I will pass on the 2 year cycle (iPhone 3G, 4, 5) for the first time. I love my iPhone 5 enough to keep it for 3 or 4 years. Definitely will need a larger screen option for the iPhone. That HTC is looking pretty decent.

 

The market hasn't matured, especially the content side.   You have niche needs (games on TV, big screen phone) that most people don't want.

You already bought a smart TV which raises the bar for requirements.

 

In the end, you're not bought into the Apple target market.   And apparently, not into Amazons

 

Apple has rarely defined the market, and in the TV space, even less so, as the market (content) is so fragmented.

 

I do think that with iOS becoming a target for gaming, that in 5 years, 'TV' gaming will be part of the suite (a 'universal' app that can split the cycles between your hand device and the TV, or just run locally on your uber iPad/iPhone).

 

But your opinion appears to be 'what I want' rather than 'the 2 billion TV user market wants'  which is a fair opinion, but not one share by a majority of people who own TVs and are thinking they need it to be 'internet connected.'

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LOL, so does the ATV via AirPlay, and Media Center Safari plugin.  Of course you can stream ANY content, OBVIOUSLY.  

 

Flash content can be streamed by AirPlay Display from Mac.  

 

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The set-top box also integrates with Amazon Cloud Drive, allowing users to push content such as photos to their television set.

 

Photos?  Yeah, right.  Users are going to push content such as torrented movies and TV shows from their Cloud Drive to their television sets, and Amazon is going to pretend to be none the wiser.

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typical dual-joystick design

 

Should be “Microsoft-like joystick design.” Not interested. (And if the majority of non-MS game systems use symmetrical sticks, shouldn’t asymmetrical be described as “atypical”?)

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Generally speaking, people do not like speaking to their electronic devices, yes if you live alone it perfectly fine. but most people become board with this feature and tend to go back to what works well. They do not say whether you can play content or control the box from an iphone or even an android device. This is actually the feature I see people use, they do their selection or searching on the iOS device than have it displayed on the ATV.

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Apple you can't hit the ball if you never swing!

So your idea of a swing is announcing a product regardless of how well it's done and seeing if you can turn a profit from it?

Not mine. My idea of a swing is to invest in R&D and to carefully work on various ideas until the right time in terms of public interest and technical capabilities make it worthwhile.

For example, a 1 lb smartwatch that has a 2 hour battery is not a device that is ready is for the prime time even if you have added all the capabilities you think people will want. Why? Weight, size, and battery life, of course. This is why, in this example, you would work to make it lighter, more svelte, and make it last long enough that the user experience is good for the customer.

Salmonellosis is the difference between being caving to your reckless impatience and waiting a couple minutes for your chicken to finish cooking. You should consider the same thing when spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a vendor's product.

That said, I want Apple's categorically new products to be ready sooner than later but I want them to be ready, not just released, and I'm quite happy by their increased R&D spending as it does indicate they have increased their batting practice tremendously over the years.


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post #72 of 190
A lot of whining on this thread.

Apple will release something when it's ready. Not before then.
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USB port doesn't support usb devices, so memory sticks with media will not play. Deal Killer
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Generally speaking, people do not like speaking to their electronic devices, yes if you live alone it perfectly fine. but most people become board with this feature and tend to go back to what works well.

 

If it doesn't work well that's fair enough, but you haven't tried it. Also, when in your living room you're always guaranteed to be in your own house, and manual search is there if you want it. I think this voice remote search, if it works well (certainly no guarantees at this point) is a very good idea. I'd definitely use voice search if Apple TV had it. I use Siri on my iPhone the whole time in my house to do Google searches, and I can tell you after owning Apple TVs for a few years now that search is pretty slow to enter with that on-TV one letter at a time keypad.

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doesn't play usb deal killer

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doesn't play usb deal killer

 

They want to sell you content. You're looking for a PS3.

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post #77 of 190
All interesting, and Amazon is smart to fire a shot across the bow with pointing out deficiencies in the airplay system. I bought a movie on iTunes with the "extras" and not only will those "extras" not play via the ATV, but I can't stream them via the airplay system. That is unacceptable in an apple product.

I have very modest needs on a TV. The real revolution will be in the content, just like Steve and the iPod and Itunes original concept. These boxes are all fine, and like buying any other apllicance, you simply buy one that fits your need and budget.

We've come a long way from rabbit ears. But what comes over them (other than perhaps the HDTV digital tech) hasn't changed in decades. The enemy here is not the Roku/Amazon/AAPL/MSFT tech competititon. The real enemy is the cable companies and their monopoly on content protected from competitive distribution.
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So your idea of a swing is announcing a product regardless of how well it's done and seeing if you can turn a profit from it?

Not mine. My idea of a swing is to invest in R&D and to carefully work on various ideas until the right time in terms of public interest and technical capabilities make it worthwhile.

For example, a 1 lb smartwatch that has a 2 hour battery is not a device that is ready is for the prime time even if you have added all the capabilities you think people will want. Why? Weight, size, and battery life, of course. This is why, in this example, you would work to make it lighter, more svelte, and make it last long enough that the user experience is good for the customer.

Salmonellosis is the difference between being caving to your reckless impatience and waiting a couple minutes for your chicken to finish cooking. You should consider the same thing when spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a vendor's product.

That said, I want Apple's categorically new products to be ready sooner than later but I want them to be ready, not just released, and I'm quite happy by their increased R&D spending as it does indicate they have increased their batting practice tremendously over the years.


Excellent post, that chart needs to account for inflation to be truly meaningful, not sure it does?
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Not sure what kind of game developers would find this platform attractive. iOS and Andriod apps are mostly all touch oriented and have a huge user base that $2 games make sense. $2 games which require optional $40 controller doesn't seem like an attractive proposition for new game ecosystem.
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If it doesn't work well that's fair enough, but you haven't tried it. Also, when in your living room you're always guaranteed to be in your own house, and manual search is there if you want it. I think this voice remote search, if it works well (certainly no guarantees at this point) is a very good idea. I'd definitely use voice search if Apple TV had it. I use Siri on my iPhone the whole time in my house to do Google searches, and I can tell you after owning Apple TVs for a few years now that search is pretty slow to enter with that on-TV one letter at a time keypad.

There are voice commands with Siri and Google Now that are much easier and faster than their typed counterparts. For instance, "Remind me to pick up my dry cleaning at 5pm" or "Set alarm for 5am tomorrow morning." I hope that Amazon has at least made picking a movie or show as easy without needing to use a remote to drill into vary part of the UI. "Find me the Princess Bride" or "Locate the newest episode of The Black List." If that works well then would want for being able to use voice commands to request jumping to a chapter, time, or even scrubbing at various rates.

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