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As Samsung's new flagship Galaxy S5 nears official release, videos and "first looks" are popping up across the Web, the latest of which pits the handset's swipe-style fingerprint reader against Apple's Touch ID.

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For a short five-minute video, uploaded to YouTube by iCrackUriDevice, the clip offers a fairly in-depth comparison of the two companies' approaches to fingerprint recognition.

Whereas Apple's Touch ID system has been discussed at length (and even detailed by Apple in a technology white paper), Samsung's entry is largely untested. From the footage released today, however, it appears that Samsung's Galaxy S5 uses a moderately enhanced swipe-style reader.

Both systems are embedded in the home button and both serve as an easier way to secure a smartphone, but that's where the similarities end.

Apple's Touch ID employs a proprietary sensor, the rights to which were acquired as part of a $356 million purchase of fingerprint hardware and software specialist AuthenTec. The one-touch system allows users to simply place their finger on an iPhone 5s' home button for scanning in any orientation.



Samsung's scanner, on the other hand, requires a bit more finesse as anything but a full uni-directional finger swipe isn't good enough for recognition. As noted in the video, this method also inhibits one-handed operation and those with smaller fingers may be limited to the digits they can register due to the sensor's size.

While a clear "winner" was not decided, the overall tone of the video seemed to be in favor of Touch ID in terms of usability. Samsung does, however, include a few tricks not yet available on the iPhone, the most prominent being payments integration with PayPal.
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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

I'm on my fourth iPhone 5S and I still can't get TouchID to recognize one of my thumbs for more than a day. Works great right after training, requires multiple attempts a few hours later, won't work no matter what the next day, if not earlier.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.
post #3 of 84
I think you've got unusual thumbs. I use TouchId all the time and it works 99% of the time on the first try.
post #4 of 84
I want you to scan your thumb and after its registered try opening it with your unregistered fingers.
Bet it unlocks.....%uFEFF
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I think you've got unusual thumbs. I use TouchId all the time and it works 99% of the time on the first try.

 

I agree, must be unusual thumbs. No problems whatsoever for my wife or I.

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While a clear "winner" was not decided, the overall tone of the video seemed to be in favor of Touch ID in terms of usability. Samsung does, however, include a few tricks not yet available on the iPhone, the most prominent being payments integration with PayPal.

 

It's important to never declare the iPhone the winner, if you want to maintain "street cred" with the spec chasers who proclaim Apple's 64-bit is a gimmick.

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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

I'm on my fourth iPhone 5S and I still can't get TouchID to recognize one of my thumbs for more than a day. Works great right after training, requires multiple attempts a few hours later, won't work no matter what the next day, if not earlier.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.

Either your thumbs are a total mess, or you are just here to bash Apple.  Your 4th 5S...really?

post #9 of 84
Try another finger you have a total of 10
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I've never had an issue using Touch ID. I think it works really well. 

post #11 of 84
7.1 cleared all the problems I had with my thumb. For some reason my fingers worked but my thumb was out of the question two days later. Faster and perfect reads now. Have you updated your 4th 5s :/
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It was claimed that the Motorola Atrix fingerprint reader worked OK for a while.  The main problem was sensor wear and over time the reader become less and less reliable.  Apple sapphire laminate layer is nearly as hard and wear resistant as diamond so it should, in theory, be reliable over a few years.  I don't know what substance the Atrix used but apparently it wasn't wear resistant over even hundreds of uses.  I'm sure Samsung must have run simulations or tests to make sure the S5 sensor worked longer than the Atrix sensor did although it would seem there would be more wear and tear to a swipe type of sensor than a read in-place sensor.  I'm merely guessing since only time testing would prove me right or wrong.  If Samsung uses something similar to Gorilla Glass, I'm sure the sensor will be reliable for at least two years usage.  Samsung wouldn't be the leading manufacturer by making stupid mistakes like Motorola did.  One thing I'm thinking that if Apple's Touch ID sensor cost $5.00 then Samsung's sensor probably cost $.50.  Samsung isn't going to build a sensor to last forever like Apple would.  It only needs to last long enough for the probable usable lifetime of the device.

post #13 of 84
Samsung might have gotten points for having a fingerprint scanner... but they certainly won't get points for having a bad fingerprint scanner.

It looks like they were just trying to check off boxes on a spec sheet. Swing and a miss...
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I so want to try this out for my self.

post #15 of 84
Something weird going on in that video. It seems to show Apple's lock-screen camera function working exactly the same (right down to the same icon in the same place) on the Samsung. Odd.
post #16 of 84
The samsung are cheater again by copy the lock screen with camera at the right corner from iPhone lock screen
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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

I'm on my fourth iPhone 5S and I still can't get TouchID to recognize one of my thumbs for more than a day. Works great right after training, requires multiple attempts a few hours later, won't work no matter what the next day, if not earlier.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.

I had a problem when I was using a case which had a raised lip around that outside that prevented me from making full contact with my thumb at the bottom of the sensor.   Replace my case with a different design and it works very well now. 

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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.
 

 

I'd lend my thumbs to you but then you would be able to unlock my phone on the first try 99% of the time.

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"When the fingerprint scanner on the S5 works it works great, but..."

Could have stopped the video there. That looked painful to do on the S5 and he listed a sequence of caveats to it not working that great but said it works great. Yeah, but no. And you have to actually touch the *screen* to start the process? Strange implementation all around.

FYI: that S5 looks huge.
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post #20 of 84
I had some issues with 7.0 TouchID.

iOS7.1 Touch ID has been perfect so far. ^_^
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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

I'm on my fourth iPhone 5S and I still can't get TouchID to recognize one of my thumbs for more than a day. Works great right after training, requires multiple attempts a few hours later, won't work no matter what the next day, if not earlier.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.


That's too bad for you.

 

My 5s works perfectly fine each and every time.  I have not had to retrain it once since the day I got it, which is release day.  My girlfriend's 5s, which she also received the same day, works perfectly fine, too!  In fact, I've only trained ONE of my fingers on her iPhone 5s and it's been working for me EVERY TIME I use that one finger to unlock her phone.

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Mine worked fine until I put it in a fully enclosed waterproof case, iOS 7.1 came out and that fixed it most of the time.

 

If I take it out of the case it works all the time.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

 

It's important to never declare the iPhone the winner, if you want to maintain "street cred" with the spec chasers who proclaim Apple's 64-bit is a gimmick.

 

I think the universe just folded in upon itself :-)

post #24 of 84

Except for the way the device scans the finger the Samsung functionality is very very similar to Apple's. Go figure.

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While a clear "winner" was not decided, the overall tone of the video seemed to be in favor of Touch ID in terms of usability. Samsung does, however, include a few tricks not yet available on the iPhone, the most prominent being payments integration with PayPal.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Apple purposefully limited Touch ID's initial capabilities to allow time for the technology to be accepted. Remember how many people there were trying to circumvent Touch ID when it first came outI'd be very surprised if touch ID didn't eventually substitute for a password for almost every instance of user authentication in iOS, including internet logins and mobile payments.

 

That said this cautiousness was one of the reasons I decided to forgo an upgrade and wait for the iPhone 6.

post #26 of 84
I hope people don't try this and get turned off to fingerprint scanners before they give the iPhone a whirl.
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Originally Posted by alcstarheel View Post
That looked painful to do on the S5 and he listed a sequence of caveats to it not working that great but said it works great. Yeah, but no. And you have to actually touch the *screen* to start the process? Strange implementation all around.

 

I wonder if this will fall under the scope of Apple's patent on using a touch screen gesture to unlock a mobile device?

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I wonder if this will fall under the scope of Apple's patent on using a touch screen gesture to unlock a mobile device?
Slide to unlock for sure.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
 

 

It's important to never declare the iPhone the winner, if you want to maintain "street cred" with the spec chasers who proclaim Apple's 64-bit is a gimmick.

That's because the guy makes his money reviewing Samsung products. He's not going to say the iPhone is better.

post #30 of 84
I saw a clear winner. Samsuck had several efforts to unlock with fingerprint. It wasn't as simple. How can there not have been a clear winner? Stupid video. I saw a winner.
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Except for the way the device scans the finger the Samsung functionality is very very similar to Apple's. Go figure.

There is also a gold version which, surprise surprise will be in short supply on launch.

Man, these Samsung guys have got copying down to a fine art, they leave no stone unturned in their efforts.
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post #32 of 84
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Something weird going on in that video. It seems to show Apple's lock-screen camera function working exactly the same (right down to the same icon in the same place) on the Samsung. Odd.

It's not odd, it's just Samsung. They have copied this and other icons ( Photo app Sunflower ) for years. It's just too expensive and not worth the time and effort to sue Samsung over these things. The money Apple could get from Samsung wouldn't be worth the effort.
post #33 of 84
Samsung does, however, include a few tricks not yet available on the iPhone, the most prominent being payments integration with PayPal.

If I remember correctly, Touch ID provides authentication for iTunes, App Store and iBooks Store purchases.

I would think an Apple-focused Web site would try to mention this just to show Apple does provide electronic payment capabilities with Touch ID.
post #34 of 84
My touchid works 95%+ as does most users I know.
post #35 of 84
How did he bring up multitasking while holding the touch ID scanner? Is this an accessibility thing? My 5S doesn't do that. Must be a Jailbreak thing.
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Futuremark only found a 7% boost in performance when running 32-bit vs 64-bit on the A7.  So while the framework is nice for future devices, the current benefits are quite narrow.

It had to start sometime though.

If the 64-bit processor came out in 2012... it may have taken until 2014 to see the benefits. And we would have had this same conversation a year ago.

But since it came out in 2013... it may take until 2015 to see the benefits.

Yeah... it's always about future devices. The current devices would never had seen an immediate change because of this.

The good news is... Apple has finally planted the 64-bit flag in the ground... and now everyone can work towards it.
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Futuremark only found a 7% boost in performance when running 32-bit vs 64-bit on the A7.  So while the framework is nice for future devices, the current benefits are quite narrow.

Gee, did you ever think Futuremark might not be representative of real-world usage, that Futuremark staff didn't choose the best compiler optimization options, or that the A7 might not be fully exploited yet by Xcode/iOS? In 64-bit mode, the A7 has twice the integer and floating point registers as the Intel/AMD X64 architecture. The A7 can access any byte in the entire iPhone/iPad 128 GB file system with a single 64-bit register, whereas 32-bit systems (like all of Samsung's) can't address beyond 2 GB without faking 64-bit arithmetic. The A7 has 4X the instruction pipeline length of the latest Intel Haswell desktop and Xeon processors. The A7 sits in current devices (iPhone 5s and iPad Air) and will only be exploited more fully in the future in those same devices which are available now. Don't let Apple's competitors dupe you into believing otherwise; the A7 is a fantastic development.

 

Incidentally, Futuremark has nothing in the App Store


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post #38 of 84
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Originally Posted by thismarty View Post

Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.

Touch ID is both great technology and supported by great marketing. (The proverbial technology/marketing duality you read about in physics class!)

Just make sure you're running iOS 7.1.

And I fail to see how a problem with one thumb could possibly make Siri any better, since that one thumb is so darned important to you.

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There is also a gold version which, surprise surprise will be in short supply on launch.

Well, they did manufacture a few hundred of the gold versions, so yes, it will likely be in short supply after a few weeks...

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Either I've got one seriously unusual set of thumbs or TouchID is a 99% marketing.

I'm on my fourth iPhone 5S and I still can't get TouchID to recognize one of my thumbs for more than a day. Works great right after training, requires multiple attempts a few hours later, won't work no matter what the next day, if not earlier.

The only thing TouchID is good for IMHO is making Siri seem to suck less.

i have never had a problem ever, nor my wife.  she did at first, but that was user error (she thought she could just touch, but the thumb needs to stay put for a second).

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