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I hope you're just trolling.

You misreading my post != Me actually saying it.

 

So you meant one model of iPad that stopped selling years ago vs Android tablets which are currently available?

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post #122 of 151
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Have you ever said "that's the low end of high end"? I know I have plenty of times.

The context seemed clear to me that we're talking about the market as a whole.

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post #123 of 151
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I hope you're just trolling.

 

The person who thinks sales data created by statistical firms uses old devices bought off craigslist and eBay as a source accuses someone else for trolling.  The irony.

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post #124 of 151
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The context seemed clear to me that we're talking about the market as a whole.

You thought wrong. For most people the tablet market consisted only of the iPad at first. So for them the lowest priced iPad would've been the low end of the market, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a 'low-end' device in terms of build quality, and usability.
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post #125 of 151
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The person who thinks sales data created by statistical firms uses old devices bought off craigslist and eBay as a source accuses someone else for trolling.  The irony.

LOL! You're taking the whole misrepresenting what I say to a whole new level! I'm not even sure that one counts as misrepresentation. I think we've moved to outright lying by making stuff up with that one.
post #126 of 151
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You thought wrong. For most people the tablet market consisted only of the iPad at first. So for them the lowest priced iPad would've been the low end of the market, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a 'low-end' device in terms of build quality, and usability.

 

Solipsism didn't "think wrong."  If you meant something else, then you expressed yourself poorly.  It was, in the context of your statement, clear what you meant -- though, maybe it was clear to everyone except you.

post #127 of 151
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You're taking the whole misrepresenting what I say to a whole new level!

No one has a clue what you're saying anymore because you've moved the target so many times, no one knows where to shoot!

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post #128 of 151
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Solipsism didn't "think wrong."  If you meant something else, then you expressed yourself poorly.  It was, in the context of your statement, clear what you meant -- though, maybe it was clear to everyone except you.

What part of this is poorly expressed?
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Since Apple was the only game for a while then the cheapest (in price) option would be the low end, but not necessarily because it's in any way worse than the high end. In this instance price is the only determining factor.

While Apple wasn't technically the only game in town most people didn't know that. What's perceived is often greater than what's real.
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post #129 of 151
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Google's TV strategy may be complex and a bit messy at this point, but there is no denying Google is a monster competitor for Apple.

Apple used to control the smart phone and tablet markets. Now Apple is a minority player, and a shrinking one internationally, in both of those markets.

Of course, that's not 100% due to Google, but Google is a primary reason or at least a primary part of the reason that iOS no longer dominates any market in which it competes.

I personally would love to see Apple triumph in TV, but recent history doesn't suggest that Apple can fend off its more nimble and hasty competitors that well especially on a global level.

When did Apple control the smart phone market? That's news to me.
post #130 of 151
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You thought wrong. For most people the tablet market consisted only of the iPad at first. So for them the lowest priced iPad would've been the low end of the market, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a 'low-end' device in terms of build quality, and usability.

I'm pretty sure this discussion started with claims of Android-based tablets trouncing Apple. Whether people believe Apple invented the tablet (or smartphone) is irrelevant to the fact that most Android-based devices are are clearly inferior devices in both HW and OS which must account, at least in part, for their abhorrent usage numbers.

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post #131 of 151
The Six Stages of Apple Device Denial:
  1. "Apple will never be able to make a dent because the market is already saturated with better devices."
  2. "Apple fanatics are buying all the Apple's devices."
  3. "Apple is only good at marketing which is why idiots who don't understand technology are buying these inferior devices."
  4. "Apple is only successful because everyone else buys their devices."
  5. "Apple has lost its way because they aren't releasing new products like they did with (previous) devices."
  6. "Apple had all the marketshare when they created this device but now they are losing it to others with better devices."

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post #132 of 151
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What part of this is poorly expressed?
While Apple wasn't technically the only game in town most people didn't know that. What's perceived is often greater than what's real.

 

So, since the space shuttle was the only thing of its kind, it was at the low end?

 

Apple has never played in the low end of pool.  They aren't interested in selling a gazillion gadgets with razor thin margins.  Apple has never been the "low end."  It's that simple.

 

When Apple starts tossing out minimum-speced, poorly constructed and designed junk at a 1% margin, flooding a particular market, then you can say that they are at the low end.  But we both know that isn't going to happen.

post #133 of 151
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I'm pretty sure this discussion started with claims of Android-based tablets trouncing Apple. Whether people believe Apple invented the tablet (or smartphone) is irrelevant to the fact that most Android-based devices are are clearly inferior devices in both HW and OS which must account, at least in part, for their abhorrent usage numbers.

I never denied that. My contention was that any market no matter how high end has a low end.
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post #134 of 151
Monkey see monkey effing do!
Google tried their hand at this bullish** a few years ago and it stanked up the industry. Sony tried with their crap. A confusing remote with dozens of buttons.
post #135 of 151
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So, since the space shuttle was the only thing of its kind, it was at the low end?

Apple has never played in the low end of pool.  They aren't interested in selling a gazillion gadgets with razor thin margins.  Apple has never been the "low end."  It's that simple.

When Apple starts tossing out minimum-speced, poorly constructed and designed junk at a 1% margin, flooding a particular market, then you can say that they are at the low end.  But we both know that isn't going to happen.

Try freeing your mind from the preconceived notion of what you consider 'low end'. If that space shuttle is coming in for a landing nose up then the nose is the high end and the tail is then the low end. I will say again I'm applying these words in their simplest definition, not at what they've become to mean.
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post #136 of 151
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Try freeing your mind from the preconceived notion of what you consider 'low end'. If that space shuttle is coming in for a landing nose up then the nose is the high end and the tail is then the low end. I will say again I'm applying these words in their simplest definition, not at what they've become to mean.

 

I'm sorry, but that's not how language works.  "Low end" has a specific meaning.  At least, it does in English.

 

We can either argue about the importance of using correct terminology, or we can all agree to speak the English language in the way that 99.9% of English speakers understand it.

 

Now, which do you think would lead to a more productive discussion?

post #137 of 151
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I never denied that. My contention was that any market no matter how high end has a low end.

I've always referred to the "low-end of a product line" as an entry-level model. I think most readers here would properly understand that more than calling it a low-end model.
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post #138 of 151
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I'm sorry, but that's not how language works.  "Low end" has a specific meaning.  At least, it does in English.

We can either argue about the importance of using correct terminology, or we can all agree to speak the English language in the way that 99.9% of English speakers understand it.

Now, which do you think would lead to a more productive discussion?

Of course that's how language works. You can't utter the words 'low end' without it meaning something cheap and crappy?
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post #139 of 151
I can understand the initial confusion with dasanman's use of the term low end, but he's since clarified what he meant. He's even done so multiple times. How are people still confused? :/
post #140 of 151
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I know that they weren't the only tablet available, but most people don't know tablets existed before the iPad. Low end has become synonymous with cheap crap, but in the purest definition of the saying it's just the lowest end. A airplane that's 35,000 feet in the air and on a incline has one end that's lower than the other, so the airplane has a low end. It's all a matter of reference.

So the farther I hold the tablet away from my face the lower end the tablet is?(Joking)

post #141 of 151
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So the farther I hold the tablet away from my face the lower end the tablet is?(Joking)

Doesn't matter how far you hold it. If you're holding it straight up and down then the bottom is the low end and the top is the high end. 1wink.gif

I recently saw a video in which children were able to out think adults because they didn't have preconceived notions. Both groups were shown cause and effect events, and then asked to predict the next outcome. The adults relied heavily on what the thought should happen next whereas the children went solely on the data from the previous events. The children were able to predict the outcome with more success than the adults. So think like a kid. lol.gif
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post #142 of 151
I still prefer my roku over anything. I had an apple TV, but its interface was messy, crowded, and lacks third party app development.
post #143 of 151
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I've always referred to the "low-end of a product line" as an entry-level model. I think most readers here would properly understand that more than calling it a low-end model.

Now what if it's the only product line in existence?
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post #144 of 151
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Now what if it's the only product line in existence?

As @Gatorguy states, entry-level is the preferred term to refer to the cheapest model offered by a particular vendor as it signifies it's the cheapest model within a vendor's product category. The iPad was never the only player, it was and is the only player that worth caring about which is why people seem to forget that not only did tablets exist for 2 decades before Apple ever announced the iPad but a week earlier at CES and after months of rumours that Apple will release a tablet there are dozens upon dozens of tablets being demoed in some way, shape, or form. Even Steve Balmer got up on stage with the ill-fated HP Slate which weirdly shows a picture of an apple on it.



PS: Note that everyone was fine with referring to tablets as a 'PC' up until the iPad was released.
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post #145 of 151
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I can understand the initial confusion with dasanman's use of the term low end, but he's since clarified what he meant. He's even done so multiple times. How are people still confused? :/

 

"That tomato needs to be refilled.  And by tomato, I obviously mean coffee cup."

 

And in his initial statement, in that context, it still didn't make any sense anyways.

post #146 of 151
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"That tomato needs to be refilled.  And by tomato, I obviously mean coffee cup."

Start filling. lol.gif

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post #147 of 151
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I'm surprised that nobody has commented yet that Google's action here is a page from Microsoft's strategy book:

 

This is clearly a me-too attempt to spread FUD.  At least, that's what it appears to be until Google shows themselves even slightly competent at making a TV-attached content delivery device that people actually want.

 

 

That's part of the misunderstanding. Google never made a Google TV box.... just the OS. The did make the Chromecast and didn't license that out to OEMs.

post #148 of 151
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That's part of the misunderstanding. Google never made a Google TV box.... just the OS. The did make the Chromecast and didn't license that out to OEMs.

The Nexus Q doesn't count as an HDTV connected device by Google?

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post #149 of 151
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The Nexus Q doesn't count as an HDTV connected device by Google?

It never shipped. The ones that exist were the ones given out.
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post #150 of 151
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It never shipped. The ones that exist were the ones given out.

It's still by Google. They did build it and shipped it to people, even if they didn't offer it for retail sale. Same with Google Glass. It was available for sale, just not for retail sales. That makes those distinctly different than, say, something called Google R which was only built in the lab and tested internally.

Here's an Apple-centric example. Apple, under the care of Jony Ive, built a one-of-a-kind red Mac Pro for a charity event. That item was not available for retail but the red Mac Pro was by Apple.

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It's still by Google. They did build it and shipped it to people, even if they didn't offer it for retail sale. Same with Google Glass. It was available for sale, just not for retail sales. That makes those distinctly different than, say, something called Google R which was only built in the lab and tested internally.

Here's an Apple-centric example. Apple, under the care of Jony Ive, built a one-of-a-kind red Mac Pro for a charity event. That item was not available for retail but the red Mac Pro was by Apple.

To answer your initial question the Nexus Q was indeed a HDTV connected device. Their initial plan was to be integrated in TVs first, and then they built the Nexus Q. Both were ill fated attempts. Poorly thought out, and poorly executed.
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