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The UI - in these photos anyway does look nicer than that of CarPlay. When I first saw the screen pics of CarPlay it struck me as too literally similar to that of the iPhone and reminded me a bit too much of the Apple TV's UI - those awful channel app icons! It's nowhere near as bad as that...but still Apple could of made it slicker looking, and they yet might in version 2.0 or 3.0 maybe.
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How many people get their nav data live in their in-car system? Not very many I would suspect. Most people don't update their map data ever. For my BMW they charged me $200 to upgrade my onboard map data. I had to do it because so many highway on ramp location around LA have been redesigned that I was constantly missing exits. Although speed limits don't change that often I would not trust the data if it was a year or two old. 


Well, it doesn't really matter what you do in your in car system in this case.  Windows in the Car isn't actually going to be running in the dash - it's running on your phone and is projected to the in dash system using mirror link.  And, I get regular map updates on my phone - so, I can't see how this is a big problem. 

 

I have never met a mapping system that didn't have the occasional glitch - but, Here maps has been pretty dang reliable for me - and that includes the speed limit data (it uses this to warn you if you are exceeding the posted speed limit).  But, I would never rely 100% on any of these systems.  Not until they have all of this info programmed into the roads for self-driving cars. :)

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I think this is way too late...Apple already has the majority of manufacturers onboard and I can't see manufacturers implementing multiple OS's. They'll choose one, or the other, but not both.
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Well, it doesn't really matter what you do in your in car system in this case.  Windows in the Car isn't actually going to be running in the dash - it's running on your phone and is projected to the in dash system using mirror link.  And, I get regular map updates on my phone - so, I can't see how this is a big problem. 

 

I have never met a mapping system that didn't have the occasional glitch - but, Here maps has been pretty dang reliable for me - and that includes the speed limit data (it uses this to warn you if you are exceeding the posted speed limit).  But, I would never rely 100% on any of these systems.  Not until they have all of this info programmed into the roads for self-driving cars. :)

I agree with the in street data for self driving cars. I was unaware that currently the actual map tiles were being sent via cellular for these new smartphone linked in-dash systems. The onboard system must also have its own static map data right? For people who do not have their phone paired.

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I think this is way too late...Apple already has the majority of manufacturers onboard and I can't see manufacturers implementing multiple OS's. They'll choose one, or the other, but not both.

 

While I doubt Microsoft has anything of value to offer here...I don't see why car manufacturers would have to choose. Both models are using the existing in-dash system to connect to...so why wouldn't they build in support for both?

 

I'm sure Google is right around the corner with "Android in the Car" now that they've heard of it, so when that comes too, makers will want to support it.

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How many people get their nav data live in their in-car system? Not very many I would suspect. Most people don't update their map data ever. For my BMW they charged me $200 to upgrade my onboard map data. I had to do it because so many highway on ramp location around LA have been redesigned that I was constantly missing exits. Although speed limits don't change that often I would not trust the data if it was a year or two old. 

I personally wouldn't trust any mapping data of any kind that is not delivered the instant I'm using it OTA.

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I think this is way too late...Apple already has the majority of manufacturers onboard and I can't see manufacturers implementing multiple OS's. They'll choose one, or the other, but not both.


They don't need to.  The system doesn't run in the car - it runs on the phone/windows device and overlays the car system using mirror link, a standard protocol.  At least, that is my understanding.

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One thing I'd like to see from in-car information systems would be the inclusion of the currently posted legal speed limit for the location being traveled.

Good idea! I would add to that the "safe speed limit" based on road, traffic weather conditions. etc.
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While I doubt Microsoft has anything of value to offer here...I don't see why car manufacturers would have to choose. Both models are using the existing in-dash system to connect to...so why wouldn't they build in support for both?

 

I'm sure Google is right around the corner with "Android in the Car" now that they've heard of it, so when that comes too, makers will want to support it.

Sounds like we need a compatible standard communications protocol, not three proprietary systems. I imagine it to be sort of like gasoline. The car doesn't care what brand it is, it just needs to be formulated to a standard. The problem is AirPlay or CarPlay is patented and any similar functionality from the other providers will likely be as well.

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I don't want to be driving a Car where Microsoft software or hardware is installed.  I have no desire to see the "MS Blue Screen of Death" as I'm driving.   

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Sounds like we need a compatible standard communications protocol, not three proprietary systems. I imagine it to be sort of like gasoline. The car doesn't care what brand it is, it just needs to be formulated to a standard. The problem is AirPlay or CarPlay is patented and any similar functionality from the other providers will likely be as well.


There already is an industry standard - it's called MirrorLink.  That's what this system is using.  It's in the article :)

post #52 of 99
I predict this will fail unless it has the Windows desktop UI, keyboard and mouse, and Microsoft Office, Car Edition. I also predict that with all those things, it will still fail. And Microsoft will hang this failure on Satya Nadella, who will have to give the CEO spot up to Steve Ballmer, who returns after his "wilderness months" to lead Microsoft again. I call it "the cycle of fail."

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Microsoft you lost the car game when you couldn't improve on your Sync system. Ford gave you plenty of opportunity and you blew it!

I don't think car manufacturers are going to go back to you for a car system anytime soon now.

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I don't want to be driving a Car where Microsoft software or hardware is installed.  I have no desire to see the "MS Blue Screen of Death" as I'm driving.   

A more realistic concern should be apps that stop responding, and Windows' inability to kill them (without Task Manager also hanging). Ever see Windows Explorer stop responding? It's ugly. There had better be a cold reboot switch somewhere in the car, so you can regain control when things go awry. It is also critical to know who your "system administrator" is, because Windows error messages constantly tell you bug that guy.

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I don't want to be driving a Car where Microsoft software or hardware is installed.  I have no desire to see the "MS Blue Screen of Death" as I'm driving.   

You'll get a white one.

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I'm sure Google is right around the corner with "Android in the Car" now that they've heard of it, so when that comes too, makers will want to support it.
Sounds like we need a compatible standard communications protocol, not three proprietary systems. I imagine it to be sort of like gasoline. The car doesn't care what brand it is, it just needs to be formulated to a standard. The problem is AirPlay or CarPlay is patented and any similar functionality from the other providers will likely be as well.

I agree with this -- even though I am an AAPL shareholder.

According to what I've read, QNX OS (owned by Blackberry) is the common denominator for imbedded automotive OSes.
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Microsoft bringing up the tail with the "me too" implementation. Seriously, Apple announced this what, two years ago? Forstall introduced it. How are these companies so unoriginal?

Well, Microsoft has SYNC already in cars, but that doesn't count for much; that's like saying Microsoft has a phone OS and tablet OS long before the iPhone and iPad. Sync wasn't about "car apps" so much as an embedded Windows CE with no Windows-branded UI elements. This seems to lift elements from CarPlay.

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post #58 of 99

My car already has all the windows it needs.

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I don't want to be driving a Car where Microsoft software or hardware is installed.  I have no desire to see the "MS Blue Screen of Death" as I'm driving.   

A more realistic concern should be apps that stop responding, and Windows' inability to kill them (without Task Manager also hanging). Ever see Windows Explorer stop responding? It's ugly. There had better be a cold reboot switch somewhere in the car, so you can regain control when things go awry. It is also critical to know who your "system administrator" is, because Windows error messages constantly tell you bug that guy.

What you describe could happen to any add on system regardless of OS (Android, iOS, Windows). Apparently, QNX is specifically designed for fail safe operations where it cannot be allowed to abort, reboot, etc -- things such as imbedded automotive, medical, industrial, security implementations.
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"Windows in the Car" - another double meaning? 

CarPlay is a bit of an unfortunate name, driving is a responible activity, and you shouldn't really call products that go in the car "play."

 

it's the perfect name, since everything Apple makes is 'just a toy'

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Microsoft couldn't exist if it weren't for Apple.

 

One could say the same thing about Apple. If they weren't trying to do the personal computer OS better than the existing then they might not be around. Heck the idea of a GUI wasn't even Apple's. They got it from Xerox who didn't know just how valuable the idea was and let Apple roll with it for nothing. And even after the whole lawsuit issue, Apple trying to better Microsoft was a driving force for years. Same with redoing the phone etc. Apple historically has been less about coming up with the idea first over coming up with it best

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post #62 of 99
Wow and I thought samsung was bad. They couldn't even think of a deferent name. They just swapped iOS with windows. Without windows in your car it's a breeze. That's something I'll never get.
post #63 of 99
I'm an accountant for a Mercedes, BMW, Ford(Lincoln), Mazda dealership. I can honestly say none of them are interested in a Microsoft product. I have asked several times.
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I'm an accountant for a Mercedes, BMW, Ford(Lincoln), Mazda dealership. I can honestly say none of them are interested in a Microsoft product. I have asked several times.

This doesn't appear to be like Ford SYNC. It looks like CarPlay which is just a UI pushed from the handset which means the automobile makers only need to support a way for the UI to be overlayed when connected. If they can set it up for Apple I don't see it costing any more to support WinPhone, Android, or any other mobileOS that makes any headway in the market.

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post #65 of 99

Looks cool. I just hope they change the name to something a little less generic.

 

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I don't want to be driving a Car where Microsoft software or hardware is installed.  I have no desire to see the "MS Blue Screen of Death" as I'm driving.   

Actually, the Windows Phone OS that this would run on is pretty stable. The only phone I've heard of getting the BSOD was an iPhone 5

post #66 of 99
So there's these two guys standing outside thee pearly gates and the one guy is saying to the other, "I was driving and the last thing I remember seeing was a Blue Screen of Death."
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The windows of my car contain live weather updates, traffic updates, directions and speed limit notifications they even contain advertising provided by billboards.

They also work as a primitive form of air conditioning when wound up and down.

You forgot location-aware media consumption. Drive by beach in summer, and you can enjoy observing some Baywatch beauties.
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"Windows in the Car" - another double meaning? 

CarPlay is a bit of an unfortunate name, driving is a responible activity, and you shouldn't really call products that go in the car "play."

 

While not entirely sold on the name such as CarPlay, and I can appreciate your point of view, it does seem a bit disingenuous when all the car company TV ads seem to have the following disclaimer: "Professional driver on a closed track" as they drive the most outrageous stunts and most of those car ads have the car going to the beach, campground, concert or some other place where play is more associated then work or responsibility.

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Actually, the Windows Phone OS that this would run on is pretty stable. The only phone I've heard of getting the BSOD was an iPhone 5

My understanding is that in-car system communicates (and duplicates screen) with Windows Phone device... not necessarily that it runs on WP OS. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will be running on QNX. My understanding is that solution that links with iOS devices also runs on QNX. Considering that number of car manufacturers have pledged to support both iOS and WP devices, and are also part of Google's car initiative, I would expect that in-car systems will be running on QNX with required drivers/APIs to allow "Remote Desktop" from different mobile OSes. If tomorrow Tizen or FirefoxOS or completely new OS emerges and becomes popular, support will be added.
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Microsoft you lost the car game when you couldn't improve on your Sync system. Ford gave you plenty of opportunity and you blew it!
I don't think car manufacturers are going to go back to you for a car system anytime soon now.

From what I've read, problem with Sync was more due to crappy Ford's and 3rd party apps that with Sync itself. I think that's why Ford and others are keen on dropping their own apps (and responsibility if they don't work well) and let people use whatever apps they have on their smart devices. If maps app crash, it is YOUR maps app, not car manufacturer's one... so you cannot really complain, can you?
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I think this is way too late...Apple already has the majority of manufacturers onboard and I can't see manufacturers implementing multiple OS's. They'll choose one, or the other, but not both.

You haven't heard of OAA (Open Automotive Alliance), have you?
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Based on one of the screen shots in the demo - I think this does.

Nokia's Here Drive is showing speed limit at the location (at least here in NZ) and gives audio warning when you exceed it... so it makes sense that the same will transfer to car's screen while linked.
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Nokia's Here Drive is showing speed limit at the location (at least here in NZ) and gives audio warning when you exceed it... so it makes sense that the same will transfer to car's screen while linked.

Standalone TomTom and Garmin units have had this feature for years. Do any mobile OS mapping apps, besides Here Drive, offer this feature?

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That would lend new meaning to "blue screen of death".

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How many people get their nav data live in their in-car system? Not very many I would suspect. Most people don't update their map data ever. For my BMW they charged me $200 to upgrade my onboard map data. I had to do it because so many highway on ramp location around LA have been redesigned that I was constantly missing exits. Although speed limits don't change that often I would not trust the data if it was a year or two old. 

Sine I have purchased Lumia 920 - about 6 months ago - I have downloaded NZ offline map updates 3 times. Complete map is a bit less than 80MB, a minute of DL time over wi-fi. They seem to be quite proactive with updates and changes. Short of temporary road-works related speed limits, I haven't noticed any mistakes in speed limit warnings - I haven't measured it, but it feels like I will be warned within 10m of sign (if I haven't reduced my speed accordingly).
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Standalone TomTom and Garmin units have had this feature for years. Do any mobile OS mapping apps, besides Here Drive, offer this feature?

I'm pretty sure I've seen this on iPhone 5s. I cannot remember exact circumstances, but if it wasn't on default app (which my wife uses), then it must have been on TomTom for iOS, a good friend of mine is using it. We travelled together in January, so there were my wife's default app and his TomTom being played with and compared while I was driving, thus the confusion 1smile.gif

Default Android app doesn't have it, but another friend of mine - this one Android user - mentioned that he was using alternative, free app for a while that did have speed warnings. He reverted back to default app, tho... don't know what problems he had with that alternative solution.
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Standalone TomTom and Garmin units have had this feature for years. Do any mobile OS mapping apps, besides Here Drive, offer this feature?

 

Microsoft's current MyFordTouch system displays Speed Limit information, although not nearly as prominently as in the Windows in the Car demo. It only appears when you are in the GPS portion of the system, but It is impressively accurate, updating within feet of the physical signs.

post #78 of 99
Like other MS demos, a crash in demonstrations. Consistent with all other demos. I love those parts of their presentations. It's so funny. Texting while driving is way safer than trying to get the OS in dash to reboot or fix itself while the person is driving.
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I drive a 4 doors sedan, which means I've already got 6 windows. Thx, I don't need any new ones!
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Like other MS demos, a crash in demonstrations. Consistent with all other demos. I love those parts of their presentations. It's so funny. Texting while driving is way safer than trying to get the OS in dash to reboot or fix itself while the person is driving.


1) This software doesn't run in the dash. Read the article.  It runs on the phone, and is projected as an overlay to the in-dash system using MirrorLink.  I imagine this is probably an extension to the driving mode that is already built into windows phone 8.

 

2)  This is an early concept.  This is not production ready code, it is only being shown to show where MS is headed.

 

If you don't understand that even production quality released code of any complexity almost certainly has defects - why would you be surprised at seeing this in a non-production early prototype? 

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