Originally Posted by Ireland
Well, if they launch a 65" display initially into the market as a very high-end product and intend to bring out a more reasonably sized model in due course as companies like LG ramp then 65" may perhaps make sense. And yes, I am gonna "bitch" about the product if the speakers are not built in. An Apple television product where you have to add-on speakers out of the box? Wireless speakers as standard? Have you lost your mind? And yes, the iMac speakers now suck big time, too right I'm gonna mention that. The iMacs whole selling point for me was its all-in-oneness. Adding on speakers fucks that up! But the worst part about the late 2013 model iMac with regard its speakers is the previous models sounded great. Form over function if I've ever seen it.
In a way the iMac is probably the perfect case that they will build unremovable speakers into iTV. If they do it for their main desktop computer they'll certainly do it for their TV. I just hope to God when it comes to the TV experience that they do consider audio quality as an important factor. I want Apple to save us from the dreaded situation we have now which is buy a TV and suffer shit speakers or having to buy another product to fix the sound problem, while often adding one more plug and one more remote control to the mix. It's bad out there.
The whole thing is kind of an embarrassing case
I hate to tell ya... but you're going to be seriously disappointed with anything Apple or anyone puts in that small glass panel, which will more than likely be behind it.
I'm not an audio engineer, but I believe I know enough to say that any speaker will be starved for air to output anything than the weakest of sound waves. And I doubt they'll add a "sound chin"... which also would be starved for air and space to push a serious bass or midtone.
Re: wireless speakers -- no I have not lost my mind or my hearing yet, and I thoroughly love my Sonos boxes, as does everyone else where we have installed them.
Re: iMac speakers -- sorry, but AFAIC they've always been a "last resort" just as those on the MacPros. I'm still blown away by the small speakers and big sound inside MBP's, and my 17" MBP of old blew away most internal speakers on any PC or Mac. But that's not really saying much if you're a sound hound as you claim to be. The iMac speakers (both old and new models) work just fine in office/studio settings and gloriously well if you tether them to a Teufel system for everything else (tooting the horn there
Re: aTV vs. iMac built-in speakers -- not the same general usage, so they don't compare. I wouldn't expect Apple to make the mistake of pairing a visually stunning picture, with a tin-can sound system and then being audacious enough to call it the "living-room entertainment center you've all been waiting for".
I just hope to God when it comes to the TV experience that they do consider audio quality as an important factor.
Absolutely agree... and that's why the sound system will be external.
Apple needs to rip the TV apart, breaking it down as they so often have in the past with other devices, and throw away what is not needed going forward and what doesn't provide the ultimate experience. In fact... it very well may not even be called a TV anymore after Apple is done stripping it down to it's essence.
1) View Port = a "moving picture" that is so glorious you think you're looking out of a window at live action, and you can get close or far enough away at your desire and you will not see a pixel.
2) Brains = in a box that will control everything that plugs into it, and control everything that makes it's way to "the picture panel".
3) Controller = possibly a cheap additional "remote", but more likely it will be assumed that you will have an iDevice and Apps that will segue into the "Brains" intuitively and/or with a little help from Siri.
4) Sound = satellite boxes sold separately or in partnership with any number of "sound engineering professional" manufacturers... or with what you already own.
5) Content = controlled and queued up from anywhere, any device, any app, and any "thing" plugged into the Brains.
NOTE 1 = from the linked article if it was TL;DR for ya, pointing to a long wait for 65" aka too long for Apple to get their feet wet and assuage the naysayers. I'm afraid TC wouldn't last that long:LGD's upcoming M2 Gen-8 fab (which is scheduled to start producing panels towards the end of 2014) will have a capacity of 26,000 substrates - or about 150,000 55" OLED panels per month. LGD's yield is still very low, so even if they committed all of their capacity for Apple (which is not very likely) they will only be able to produce a few tens of thousands of TV panels per month.
NOTE 2 = this from Quartz pointing out my theory, but claiming it to be impossible in the near future. If anyone can do it though... Apple can.
Apple, Google, and Amazon’s quest for one remote control is futile – Quartz