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Apple 'likely' to launch low-cost iMac soon, Retina MacBook Air still on track for 2014 debut

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Apple is reportedly gearing up to launch a new low-cost iMac as soon as this quarter, while a completely redesigned thinner and lighter 12-inch MacBook Air with Retina display is expected to launch before the end of the year.

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Ming-Chi Kuo with KGI Securities, who has accurately forecast Apple's product lineup in the past, said in his latest research note on Wednesday that he believes Apple's redesigned MacBook Air and low-priced iMac will be "bright spots" in the company's 2014 lineup.

Kuo was the first to reveal Apple's plans for a redesigned MacBook Air with Retina display last year. On Wednesday, he reaffirmed that the new notebook expected to sport a fan-less design with fewer inputs and outputs, and a new click-less trackpad.

Though the new MacBook Air will apparently be minimalist, it will continue to offer a physical keyboard in addition to a modified trackpad, Kuo said. And the 12-inch model, sandwiched in between the 11.6- and 13.3-inch sizes Apple current offers in its MacBook Air lineup, is expected to feature a high-resolution Retina display "thanks to advanced panel technology."

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On the desktop front, Kuo said Apple is "likely" to release a new, low-priced version of the iMac --?something his forecast calls for the company to unveil this quarter. That would make the new all-in-one Mac a potential candidate for introduction at Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference, scheduled to kick off June 2.

Kuo said the new, cheaper iMac will allow Apple to better compete with other all-in-one desktop makers HP and Lenovo, giving the Mac maker a better opportunity to compete in growing markets like China. He thinks this new model will help iMac shipments grow 23 percent this year to 4.8 million units.
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And the race to the bottom is on!
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Apple is going to drop the hammer in the 2H.  Great to see.  Get aggressive Mr. Cook!

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Im holding out for this.
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Seriously?!? Two articles in a row based on the ravings of Ming-Chi Kuo?
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Seriously?!? Two articles in a row based on the ravings of Ming-Chi Kuo?

I think there are now 5 or 6.

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Seriously?!? Two articles in a row based on the ravings of Ming-Chi Kuo?


More like based on the accurate information that Ming-Chi Kuo has predicted in the past....

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Low cost iMac not likely.
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Great, but for Heaven's sake, somebody ask Ming-Chi about the freakin' Mac mini! This wait is getting OLD!!
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I just hope we don't see a situation where we have too many models with barely a difference between them other than size. This will confuse customers. I remember one of the first things Jobs did was kill off all that were all too similar. Granted we don't have this problem now, just sayin.
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I just hope we don't see a situation where we have too many models with barely a difference between them other than size. This will confuse customers. I remember one of the first things Jobs did was kill off all that were all too similar. Granted we don't have this problem now, just sayin.

I'm guessing that 12" Retina MBA replaces both the existing MBA models, maybe after a three month phase out period during which those remain available at discount clear-out-inventory prices.
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Originally Posted by alienzed View Post
And the race to the bottom is on!

 

Which proves that it isn’t.

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And the race to the bottom is on!

 

Apple's low-cost iMac will be $999. That's a tall bottom.

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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post
 

More like based on the accurate information that Ming-Chi Kuo has predicted in the past....

 

Exactly, just like the thinner Retina MacBook Pros he predicted for last year's WWDC? Oh wait, yeah, they never arrived.

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Originally Posted by kkerst View Post

I just hope we don't see a situation where we have too many models with barely a difference between them other than size. This will confuse customers. I remember one of the first things Jobs did was kill off all that were all too similar. Granted we don't have this problem now, just sayin.

 

I'd love to see Apple drop the hammer and replace the existing Air models with a 12" Retina model and a 14" Retina model while maintaing current prices.

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I'm guessing that 12" Retina MBA replaces both the existing MBA models, maybe after a three month phase out period during which those remain available at discount clear-out-inventory prices.

 

I don't know about a discounted phase out, but perhaps it will replace both the current Airs. The 11" is too small anyway. If it does replace both current models they need to make it 16:10 though. But the main reason I think you could be right is after holding the 13" Retina MacBook Pro up the other day it felt almost as light as my 13" Air. So much so in fact I'll probably switch up the one of them over the next year for editing my FCPX projects via an external display, as I need to continue to write on the road on a notebook, I need the extra power for FC and I can't afford a second Mac right now.

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I've been reading through old AppleInsider.com stories, and it takes a bit of searching to find a case where Kuo was over 50% correct. You always introduce him with such praise as "a reliable source of information on unannounced Apple products", but he ends up being wrong as much as he is right.

For example, on June 8 2012 he predicted that Apple would add new 13- and 15-inch models between the Air and Pro (false) and that the Air/Pro suffixes would disappear in favor of the name "new Macbook" (false). This mythical Macbook, which was never produced, would be priced at $1199 for a 13-inch model with Retina display, have no optical drive, and have either a SSD or a HD.

In the same report, he also predicted that Apple would discontinue the 17-inch Macbook Pro (true). Then again, that same day he predicted that all Macbook Pros would be "gradually phased out, but remaining on shelves until 2013" (false).

You give him an awful lot of credit for somebody who is wrong at least as much as he is right. He's a lot better at predicting that poor-selling Apple products will be discontinued (not exactly a difficult task), than at predicting what new Macs will appear.
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Exactly, just like the thinner Retina MacBook Pros he predicted for last year's WWDC? Oh wait, yeah, they never arrived.


Where did I ever say his predictions were 100% accurate?

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Great, but for Heaven's sake, somebody ask Ming-Chi about the freakin' Mac mini! This wait is getting OLD!!
Mac mini is apples least used Mac, for its only one under $1,000; meaning that it gets updates same as Apple TV, so late this year would be my guess.

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I just hope we don't see a situation where we have too many models with barely a difference between them other than size. This will confuse customers. I remember one of the first things Jobs did was kill off all that were all too similar. Granted we don't have this problem now, just sayin.
The goal of a 12 inch is to kill 11 and 13 inch sitting at a single price point, hopefully $1000, but since retina looking towards what 13 inch was at $1100-1300
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I'd love to see Apple drop the hammer and replace the existing Air models with a 12" Retina model and a 14" Retina model while maintaing current prices.
I don't see the current models simply getting 1 inch upgrades, as for apples for a long time, 5 years? Has had the most used market screen sizes with 11,13,15,17; with the 17 getting kicked in 2012, they would likely simplify 12 and 15 inch, for it seems iPads and possibly iPhones will get the varied screen sizes now with them right now(excluding iPods):4(3.5), rumored this year 4.5-5.5, 8, 10, hopefully 12 inch.
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I think that's going to be an iMac with an A8 chip. That alone would shave hundred of dollars off the price.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post
I think that's going to be an iMac with an A8 chip. That alone would shave hundred of dollars off the price.

 

And hundreds of features off the capabilities.

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I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm expecting some insane advancements on the next iMac and when that happens, I'm planning to buy it.

 

Maybe 4K on an iMac is a pipe-dream just now, but at least retina display.

 

I'll pimp it up with 32 GB RAM and a 3 TB Fusion Drive and upgrade the Graphics Card and the processor as well.

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Apple is going to drop the hammer in the 2H.  Great to see.  Get aggressive Mr. Cook!

Steve used to release products at Macworld in January but Tim likes to save everything for the second half (presumably so everything's fresh come the holiday gift season).

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Great, but for Heaven's sake, somebody ask Ming-Chi about the freakin' Mac mini! This wait is getting OLD!!

Unless the low cost iMac is intended to replace the mini, and that's the reason it's not on his timeline.

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The 11 inch is a marvel. I hope they don't discontinue it. Those of us who travel a lot live it.
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Unless the low cost iMac is intended to replace the mini, and that's the reason it's not on his timeline.

That's what I was thinking. There wasn't really any reason to avoid updating the Mini. It doesn't sell in very large volumes so what's the point? It works for people who want a quad-i7 to avoid buying an iMac that is over 2x the price but that's bad for Apple.

Some justification for the Mini is that it lets people who have a display and peripherals buy a Mac cheaply but the low unit volumes suggest people aren't going that route anyway. It's around 3% of Apple's Mac lineup.

To build the Mini into an iMac setup would take a $599 Mini, $100 decent keyboard and mouse, $200 display = $899. The iMac starts at $1299. If they started at $999, the Mini isn't necessary.

The iMac already sells in far larger volumes. The CPU in the entry iMac is $255, they make an education one with a $134 Core-i3 for $1099 (they drop the RAM to 4GB from 8GB).

Another slight adjustment in components could let them hit $999. They could do this by dropping the display quality but I'd rather they didn't do that. Possibly make the keyboard and mouse optional.

The Mini helps with OS X Server but they could switch to having an ARM server product running a variant of iOS rather than OS X.
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'Lowcost' the apple way $1000
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That's what I was thinking. There wasn't really any reason to avoid updating the Mini. It doesn't sell in very large volumes so what's the point? It works for people who want a quad-i7 to avoid buying an iMac that is over 2x the price but that's bad for Apple.

All good points and I would add that some other manufacturers are quite a bit smaller than the mini now, e.g. Intel NUC, so if they did want to continue with the line, it would probably require a bit of redesign work, so presently they are at a decision point of recommitting or drop it, and maybe this low cost iMac is an indication of which way they went.

 

Mind you, the Mac Pro redesign was very nice, if the same level of newness of concept could be brought to the mini it might be nice to keep around.

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And hundreds of features off the capabilities.

It would be very unlikely that you would loose features. Remember Apple is in the drivers seat here, if they want to add fast RAM bus's, TB2 or whatever to the SoC they can. All they need to do is support two or more variants. Apples rapid development program indicates that this would be no problem at all. Frankly if they had to tie the SoC to an external GPU that wouldn't be a bad situation either. Then again another GPU upgrade in A8 might do the trick all by itself.

It isn't a question of can but a willingness to do so on Apples part. Frankly I would have mixed feelings about an A series processor in an existing Apple Mac product. If they want to deliver an ARM based device, ideally a laptop, it needs to be a new product. That simply to keep marketing coherent.
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Steve used to release products at Macworld in January but Tim likes to save everything for the second half (presumably so everything's fresh come the holiday gift season).

You have no basis for that thought. The reality is Apple likes to release products to capture specific markets. So laptop releases come in late spring to be ready for back to school shopping. Right now their bigger problem is Intel and their screwed up release schedules. Apple would rather have Broadwell to launch with in June, I'm certain of that, but it won't happen. Unless of course we have been totally mislead.

Beyond that if any of the rumors about production ramps of A8 are true, new hardware won't be much farther away than 3 months. Of course what that hardware is, is another question. In the end I can see significant hardware releases around WWDC. As usual the release of developer information lets the cat out of the bag so to speak. So the news to announce and at times release hardware in conjunction with the software reveals. It is a cycle repeated again and again at Apple.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post
It would be very unlikely that you would loose features. Remember Apple is in the drivers seat here

 

You lose a ton of hardware features on the architectural level moving from X86 to ARM right now. Never mind Thunderbolt. Apple still only has so much power, even when building their own chips.

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Apple is not in a race to the bottom with landfill-grade low-cost crap. When will these f'ing anal-ysts learn that? Do they seriously want Apple to erode all their profit margins and high-end market reputation / perception just to gain more market share?

God these guys need to be put out of their misery and never again allowed to write another article!
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Where's the Haswell MacMini??? Grrrrrrrrrrr%u2026 :-(
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Want to make a lower cost iMac?

 

Offer one WITHOUT the screen.

Some of us want a DESKTOP processor in a desktop Mac.

Instead Apple us a laptop without a screen in the mini.

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Originally Posted by MacTac View Post

Offer one WITHOUT the screen.

 

Get over it.

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Unless the low cost iMac is intended to replace the mini, and that's the reason it's not on his timeline.

 

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That's what I was thinking. There wasn't really any reason to avoid updating the Mini. It doesn't sell in very large volumes so what's the point? It works for people who want a quad-i7 to avoid buying an iMac that is over 2x the price but that's bad for Apple.

Some justification for the Mini is that it lets people who have a display and peripherals buy a Mac cheaply but the low unit volumes suggest people aren't going that route anyway. It's around 3% of Apple's Mac lineup.

To build the Mini into an iMac setup would take a $599 Mini, $100 decent keyboard and mouse, $200 display = $899. The iMac starts at $1299. If they started at $999, the Mini isn't necessary.

The iMac already sells in far larger volumes. The CPU in the entry iMac is $255, they make an education one with a $134 Core-i3 for $1099 (they drop the RAM to 4GB from 8GB).

Another slight adjustment in components could let them hit $999. They could do this by dropping the display quality but I'd rather they didn't do that. Possibly make the keyboard and mouse optional.

The Mini helps with OS X Server but they could switch to having an ARM server product running a variant of iOS rather than OS X.

 

The current MacMini goes for $599 and $799. I'm sorry, but an "entry-level" iMac that is used to replace the MacMini has to start at no higher than $799. And how would they limit the specs in the offering in order to not cannibalize their existing higher-priced iMac line-up? It would have to be a Haswell-based chip. It would have to be Retina. It would have to have a minimum 4gb RAM and a decent graphics card. If it didn't have these minimum specs it would look like they're going backwards… in a slowing desktop market. Apple doesn't do that. And to offer an entry-level desktop for $1000+ makes no sense when someone can say, "The heck with it, I'll just get a basic Dell laptop for $499 instead."

 

The beauty of the MacMini is it's size, it's portability, it's power, and it's price! You can connect whatever monitor/keyboard/mouse/etc that you want. (Gee…just like the MacPro… Apple has no problem doing it there.)  I have a monitor, I have a keyboard, I have a mouse. I just need a desktop Mac to hold all my music, photos, home videos, and various types of desktop-level processing.

 

It's frustrating for me because I have an old iMac that's not upgradeable (PowerPC stuck on Tiger) with the monitor portion deteriorated so badly that the entire screen is nothing but vertical lines, so I have another monitor attached to it so that I can work. I can't even connect or sync my iPad to it. But I'm still able to do all that I need to do on it, gerryrigged as it is. I don't want or need to spend $1000-2000 on a new computer.

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Exactly, just like the thinner Retina MacBook Pros he predicted for last year's WWDC? Oh wait, yeah, they never arrived.
One of Kuo's rare mistakes.
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Unless the low cost iMac is intended to replace the mini, and that's the reason it's not on his timeline.

Unless they do something stupid (like replacing the x86 chip with an ARM chip) the new 12" MBA will top the current 11": Same footprint yet thinner with a larger, retina display.
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I've been reading through old AppleInsider.com stories, and it takes a bit of searching to find a case where Kuo was over 50% correct. You always introduce him with such praise as "a reliable source of information on unannounced Apple products", but he ends up being wrong as much as he is right.

For example, on June 8 2012 he predicted that Apple would add new 13- and 15-inch models between the Air and Pro (false) and that the Air/Pro suffixes would disappear in favor of the name "new Macbook" (false). This mythical Macbook, which was never produced, would be priced at $1199 for a 13-inch model with Retina display, have no optical drive, and have either a SSD or a HD.

In the same report, he also predicted that Apple would discontinue the 17-inch Macbook Pro (true). Then again, that same day he predicted that all Macbook Pros would be "gradually phased out, but remaining on shelves until 2013" (false).

You give him an awful lot of credit for somebody who is wrong at least as much as he is right. He's a lot better at predicting that poor-selling Apple products will be discontinued (not exactly a difficult task), than at predicting what new Macs will appear.

This new prediction seems so much more full of details than precious predictions.

It is funny, though, I must add, that kuo's predictions always repeat many of the rumors that have already been heard. Then when AI quotes them as verifying earlier rumors they make it sound like it is more likely to be true when, in reality, Kuo probably got the ideas from previous rumors.
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You lose a ton of hardware features on the architectural level moving from X86 to ARM right now. Never mind Thunderbolt. Apple still only has so much power, even when building their own chips.

What hardware features? Apple can pick and choose what sort of hardware features to incorporate into their SoC. They can also leave out much that isn't relevant anymore. That frankly is Intels big problem, they spend a lot of transistors on backwards compatibility for features that don't mean much today.
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