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With leaks and alleged information about Apple's next-generation iPhone picking up steam, a new report shows that consumer interest for the so-called "iPhone 6" expected to debut later this year is already at record levels.




451 Research on Thursday published the results of its latest survey, which suggests that rumors of a new iPhone with a bigger display are of great interest to consumers. Potential smartphone buyers were asked how interested they would be in an "iPhone 6" with a larger display, "gesture control," a faster processor, and updated iOS mobile operating system starting at $199 for 16 gigabytes.

Among those polled, 14 percent said they are "very likely" to buy the rumored device, while another 26 percent characterized themselves as "somewhat likely" to purchase one. Similar surveys related to the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5 before those products' official announcements showed considerably less interest: 26 percent total were interested in an iPhone 5s as of March 2013, while 33 percent said they were likely to buy a rumored iPhone 5 in March of 2012.




Of course, the survey is based on speculation about what exactly Apple might release later this year. But expectations are growing that the next iPhone will sport a bigger display -- aided by rumored design specifications leaked out of the Far East.

The latest such leak comes from Chinese smartphone case maker Elam, which apparently believes Apple's next iPhone will be based on the rough design mockup included below:



The design shown in the latest alleged leak is similar to earlier leaked designs, which inspired the following mockups created by designer Martin Hajek for Nowhereelse.fr. They show a thinner, larger iPhone that borrows some design elements from the iPhone 5c and iPod touch, including larger circular speaker and microphone holes at the bottom of the device, and elongated "pill" shaped volume buttons on the left of the handset.

Apple is expected to introduce a larger-screened iPhone as consumer demand for such devices continues to grow. The latest survey from 451 Research and ChangeWave found that as of March, demand for larger smartphones hit an all-time high of 47 percent, up from 40 percent in December 2013, and 27 percent in December 2012.




Noted insider Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities said in his latest research note this week that he expects Apple to meet this consumer demand with the launch of two larger iPhones this year. Specifically, he believes the company will debut a model with a higher-resolution 5.5-inch display, in addition to a new 4.7-inch size.

Apple's latest handsets, the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, all sport 4-inch displays, which are among the smallest smartphone screens on the market today. Prior to the launch of the iPhone 5 in 2012, all of Apple's previous handsets had smaller 3.5-inch displays.



Apple has been reluctant to quickly embrace the trend toward larger phones as the company has been focused on allowing ease of use of the device with just one hand. According to Kuo, while the 5.5-inch model will require two hands to use properly, Apple apparently plans to reduce the bezel on the 4.7-inch model to keep it within the company's guidelines for one-handed operation.
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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?
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The larger screen desire does seem to be increasing. Bit nuts, possibly its like that tail fin fad back in the day.

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Jeez, AI. Are you guys that hard up for money? You are ruining your already shady reputation with the shilling for Ming-Chi Kuo. Now you float yet another "story" that points back to him.

Unforgivable.

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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?

That would be closer to a fact than a rumour and therefore has no place on the internet. 1wink.gif

I don't think we should be set on 4" though. It's the device form factor that's the main thing. Some want 4", others want 4.7", the average between those is 4.35" and that fits in the current form factor. It won't satisfy everyone but then what does? It would be a new design and allow easy one-handed use. A 4.7" would be like the S3 here:



A few of them have to balance it at the tips of their fingers and reposition it to access the whole screen. Especially with touch id, you'd want to pull the phone out with one hand, unlock and then make a call with one hand. 4.3" edge to edge makes more sense to me. There's clearly a demand for larger screens so that's not in question but we have to figure out what Apple would be more likely to do.
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BUT I thought iOS sucked balls now, so how can consumer interest be at a record level?
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That would be closer to a fact than a rumour and therefore has no place on the internet. 1wink.gif

Ok, so there must be an article on Wikipedia then¡
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I don't think we should be set on 4" though. It's the device form factor that's the main thing. Some want 4", others want 4.7", the average between those is 4.35" and that fits in the current form factor. It won't satisfy everyone but then what does? It would be a new design and allow easy one-handed use. A 4.7" would be like the S3 here:

Hmm, that phone looks too large for my taste, just as I always thought. Would an iPhone with a 4.35" screen add a row and column of icons on the homescreen? I don't care so much for higher ppi, but I can't believe Apple would create a larger screen phone without 'any benefits' other than a simple stretched out screen. Developers would want to make use of the larger screen.
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A few of them have to balance it at the tips of their fingers and reposition it to access the whole screen. Especially with touch id, you'd want to pull the phone out with one hand, unlock and then make a call with one hand. 4.3" edge to edge makes more sense to me. There's clearly a demand for larger screens so that's not in question but we have to figure out what Apple would be more likely to do.

I would expect Apple to stick with their 'one-hand operation' wish, so they should continue with an iPhone with a 4" screen, or at least a FF of the same size, in an optional expanded iPhone line-up.
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Based on apple's lawsuit notes where they knew large screens were chewing up market share I'd say their line about "using with one hand" was just PR damage control. Cook failed to produce a large screen phone when he should have in 2012 or at least '13. By making one now they concede it was the right thing to do but simply did not execute in time. They paid the price and lost many to Samsung as a result and their stock took a big hit and is now epoxied in the low 500's.
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iPhone 6:

Now with anti-grav dock.

There's nothing your wife/girlfriend/partner wouldn't like more than a 6 Plus...
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I'm all in for the 4.7 or the 5.5, whichever comes first. Assuming they both really are iPhones and the 5.5" is not $299 w/contract for a 16 GB.

 

There is no avoiding it now. This is what happens. AI is not the only site lending huge weight to Ming's reports. He is dead on balls accurate 90% of the time, and I would take his comments as about 90% accurate to what we'll see, but subject to change.

 

I do its think high time Apple make the mythical 5" iDevice, with 1920 x1080 display, and all the power and radios you need in your pocket.

 

I saw a little kid using his mom's galaxy to make a call at the store the other day, and he looked ridiculous holding this gigantic iPad mini sized device to his ear....so I vowed that would not be me.....I'll use ear buds to make calls as I do now ;)

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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?

 

Yeah, Apple should definitely keep a 4" form factor for those that want a more compact phone. 

LOL people should just enjoy whatever phone they prefer and stop being d-bags about other phones they don't use. Fanboys are pathetic, regardless of whether they are Android or Apple ones.
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iPhone 6:

Now with anti-grav dock.
 

Finally, an iPhone that is drop-resistent. 

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Not sure I want a bigger iPhone or not. How about a larger Macbook Pro, Like bringing back the 17" model. Last year I was forced to be a used 17" 2011 Macbook Pro, but would have preferred to have bought a new one.
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How will Samsung and others respond to this? Nobody makes a high-end phone with a smaller screen except for Apple. They have had that market to themselves for years.

Now it looks like Apple will make large screen phones as well, attacking Samsung where they make their money. I doubt Samsung will introduce a compact high-end phone to start competing with Apple (esp after promoting the advantages of screen size for so long).

So what's left for Samsung to do? Apple is going to steal millions of customers/sales with a larger phone, while still keeping a lock on the 4" screen size. Waiting to see what feature spam they use to try and hang on to sales.
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the question isn't whether they keep a 4" this year or not. They will either as a 5C or a 6C ( with this years internals but maybe not touchID). The question is whether that becomes a line, rather than a plastic version of last years model. If the latter the 4" disappears for good next year which would be a mistake.

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I'm all in for the 4.7 or the 5.5, whichever comes first. Assuming they both really are iPhones and the 5.5" is not $299 w/contract for a 16 GB.

There is no avoiding it now. This is what happens. AI is not the only site lending huge weight to Ming's reports. He is dead on balls accurate 90% of the time, and I would take his comments as about 90% accurate to what we'll see, but subject to change.

I do its think high time Apple make the mythical 5" iDevice, with 1920 x1080 display, and all the power and radios you need in your pocket.

I saw a little kid using his mom's galaxy to make a call at the store the other day, and he looked ridiculous holding this gigantic iPad mini sized device to his ear....so I vowed that would not be me.....I'll use ear buds to make calls as I do now 1wink.gif
So you think Apple is going to release a watch for thousands of dollars? lol.gif
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How will Samsung and others respond to this? Nobody makes a high-end phone with a smaller screen except for Apple. They have had that market to themselves for years.

Now it looks like Apple will make large screen phones as well, attacking Samsung where they make their money. I doubt Samsung will introduce a compact high-end phone to start competing with Apple (esp after promoting the advantages of screen size for so long).

So what's left for Samsung to do? Apple is going to steal millions of customers/sales with a larger phone, while still keeping a lock on the 4" screen size. Waiting to see what feature spam they use to try and hang on to sales.

Don't know what Samsung will do, but I may have found their marketing material already

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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?

 

Frankly, I don't know anyone that likes the 4" screen, including my 63 year old mother. Remember, the 3.5" - 4" screen was a Steve Jobs thing. You have to be able to use the phone with one hand, and even then it was aggravating touching the wrong thing with my thumb half the time.

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the question isn't whether they keep a 4" this year or not. They will either as a 5C or a 6C ( with this years internals but maybe not touchID). The question is whether that becomes a line, rather than a plastic version of last years model. If the latter the 4" disappears for good next year which would be a mistake.
Screen size should not determine whether something is "premium" or not. That's why I was glad to see the Air and retina mini were basically the same (and hopefully this year they'll both have the same color gamut too). That's what they need to do with the iPhone. I wish they'd do 4" and 4.7" and forget about the silly phablet (or make that one the new iPod touch).
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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?
Because they likely aren't- outside of previous models.
If they release something like a 4.3"- and the size of the iPhone stays the same- why would anyone complain?
Lest we forget apple went from 3.5" to 4" and not only did they not go bigger with the phone- they actually reduced the overall mass.
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Jeez, AI. Are you guys that hard up for money? You are ruining your already shady reputation with the shilling for Ming-Chi Kuo. Now you float yet another "story" that points back to him.

Unforgivable.
So you're quitting?



I'm hoping it isn't 4.7 and 5.5- mainly for everyone else, but if it was id get the 4.7. If they do a 4.3 and 4.7- I'm getting the 4.7- so I'm covered either way.

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Lest we forget apple went from 3.5" to 4" and not only did they not go bigger with the phone- they actually reduced the overall mass.

Uhm, no. Although it got smaller (from 61 to 58.6mm) it did grow in height; from 115mm to 123.8mm. Sounds like a non-issue, but the phone now sometimes gets stuck in my pants because the pocket is wider than the opening itself and I need to turn it 90 degrees first.

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http://support.apple.com/kb/SP685
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OK so we have this survey, the big dump from Kuo, Deutsche Bank initiating coverage on AAPL today with a buy rating and the stock is down this morning. Can someone explain that?
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Uhm, no. Although it got smaller (from 61 to 58.6mm) it did grow in height; from 115mm to 123.8mm. Sounds like a non-issue, but the phone now sometimes gets stuck in my pants because the pocket is wider than the opening itself and I need to turn it 90 degrees first.

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP2
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP685

I said overall and was speaking of the 4 vs the 5. Remember it also got more shallow. ~62k cubic mm for the 4, and only 55k cubic for the 5. The 3GS to 5 was even a starker contrast in overall size decrease.

So again- apple could easily release a 4.3" with the same or negligible height/width dimensions as the iPhone 5. And if that occurred- who would complain? "I want a smaller screen but same dimensions!" That'd be a weird request.

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A few of them have to balance it at the tips of their fingers and reposition it to access the whole screen. Especially with touch id, you'd want to pull the phone out with one hand, unlock and then make a call with one hand. 4.3" edge to edge makes more sense to me. There's clearly a demand for larger screens so that's not in question but we have to figure out what Apple would be more likely to do.

That repositioning is going to lead to a increase in drops, especially with a metal back with sharp edges. I'm definitely very curious to see Apple's take on a bigger phone whenever it happens.

Btw where's @pedromartins when we need him? He'd be elated with the results of this survey.
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iPhone 6:

Now with anti-grav dock.


Amazing what can be done with magnets.
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Nice design, hélas, Apple can't use it because it would be infringement. 

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So you think Apple is going to release a watch for thousands of dollars? lol.gif

That could fall within the 10%, you know...

 

Or, it could be just as accurate. If you're at all familiar with the wrist watch industry, you'd know that the high end models are astronomically expensive.

 

I wouldn't put it past Apple to create a version of the iWatch that is solid gold, maybe even 24k. That could easily make the same product thousands of dollars more than a plastic or leather-banded base model.

 

As long as I can get the leather banded model for a reasonable price, it doesn't affect me if Apple makes a 2 or 3 thousand dollar gold or platinum model(s).

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Frankly, I don't know anyone that likes the 4" screen, including my 63 year old mother. Remember, the 3.5" - 4" screen was a Steve Jobs thing. You have to be able to use the phone with one hand, and even then it was aggravating touching the wrong thing with my thumb half the time.

 

Whenever I hear the argument that says the iPhone 5S is the best selling phone on the planet so, yes, people love the 4" size...

 

... well... hogwash, in my opinion.

 

What I think the majority of iPhone buyers like is the ecosystem/iOS. If you're not given the choice of a larger phone then, of course, you're going to buy what is offered. (the same "might" even be said for iOS 7)

 

Hopefully that theory will be tested later this year.

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So the iPhone will go from the best-selling smartphone . . . to the best-selling smartphone. 

 

Makes sense. 

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Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 3G' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 4' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 5' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 6' at record levels

 

Not really news at this point. EVERY iPhone has commanded the lion's share of "consumer interest" since day 1, big screen or not, feature "x" or not, feature "y" or not. 

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I can't wait to get my hands on an iPhone with a larger screen! I'll sell the house, I'll sell the farm...Buckle up!!!
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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?
Personally, I'd like to see the 4" dropped, and the 3.5" size brought back. 3.5", 4.7", and phablet seem to me like three sizes that would offer something for everyone.
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I wouldn't put it past Apple to create a version of the iWatch that is solid gold, maybe even 24k. That could easily make the same product thousands of dollars more than a plastic or leather-banded base model.

 

As long as I can get the leather banded model for a reasonable price, it doesn't affect me if Apple makes a 2 or 3 thousand dollar gold or platinum model(s).

Gold watches are a lot more than 2 or 3 thousand dollars. A lot more. Like maybe ten or twenty times more.

 

And nobody makes 24K gold watches. The pure metal is too soft and prone to cosmetic damage which is why it is alloyed down to 18K or 14K for strength, durability, and cost.

 

Luxury watches typically start in the $3-5K range for more common stainless steel models. The watchband material is a fairly nominal upgrade.

 

Going from a metal band to a leather band isn't going to save you thousands and thousands of dollars; that's not the thinking of someone who buys a luxury watch anyhow. You buy the one with the leather band because you like how it looks. In the long run (i.e., if you own the watch 30+ years and wear it regularly), you might actually spend more on replacement leather bands than if you had purchased a similar model with a metal band.

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There is no avoiding it now. This is what happens. AI is not the only site lending huge weight to Ming's reports. He is dead on balls accurate 90% of the time, and I would take his comments as about 90% accurate to what we'll see, but subject to change.


You have proof of that or are you just pulling numbers out of Ming's ass?
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Not really news at this point. EVERY iPhone has commanded the lion's share of "consumer interest" since day 1, big screen or not, feature "x" or not, feature "y" or not. 

Ain't that the truth.
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Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone' at record levels



Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 3G' at record levels



Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 4' at record levels



Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 5' at record levels



Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 6' at record levels




Not really news at this point. EVERY iPhone has commanded the lion's share of "consumer interest" since day 1, big screen or not, feature "x" or not, feature "y" or not. 

Extrapolating from this data, consumer interest in the iPhone 11 should exceed 100%. Maybe Apple should skip 6 through 10. lol.gif

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my 5s just died last night from the 'blue screen of death'. wish they will lunch this new one now
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I would expect Apple to stick with their 'one-hand operation' wish, so they should continue with an iPhone with a 4" screen, or at least a FF of the same size, in an optional expanded iPhone line-up.

 

There are ways around size and one handed operation.

http://youtu.be/YGB2yDEjwnk

 

There needs to be a bigger phone, and a normal phone. The market has long shifted to bigger screens, and the iPhone needs to keep up. It's just reality.

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Based on apple's lawsuit notes where they knew large screens were chewing up market share I'd say their line about "using with one hand" was just PR damage control. Cook failed to produce a large screen phone when he should have in 2012 or at least '13. By making one now they concede it was the right thing to do but simply did not execute in time. They paid the price and lost many to Samsung as a result and their stock took a big hit and is now epoxied in the low 500's.

That would be the uninformed interpretation. The reality is that Apple was using up 70% of the world's output of LTPS display manufacturing capacity throughout 2013, and only now has developed sufficient supply to release new screen sizes and densities using LTPS.

You're not the only one who is ignoring or is ignorant of this simple scenario. I've been posting it it repeatedly for many months now, but apparently it's too much of a reality sandwich for most people to bite into.
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That's the first good looking mockup I've seen- that other picture of a rescaled 5 that AI keeps using needs to be burned.

 

I like the all black one, but these mockups do highlight that a new version of iOS is needed.  The 'grid of icons' interface is just dated and doesn't take advantage of the large screen.  They need to add widgets or something that allows users to actually get a decent amount of information just by looking at their phone without tapping into 4 or 5 different apps individually.

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BUT I thought iOS sucked ba . . .

The new Ms. Rogifan exercises his/her bad taste and reveals the disgusting etymology of the word "sucks."

The new Rogifan has become a useless distraction-troll. What happened to the old harmless, annoying worry-wart Rogifan?
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