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Samsung's success in selling the world's leading volumes of phones through intense, expensive marketing efforts appears to be supporting Android as a platform, but Samsung's internal documents show it has plotted for years to compete against Google with its own mobile OS.

Samsung enemies for 2012


"Highly Confidential" Samsung documents that have surfaced this week during the Apple vs Samsung trial detail that in September 2011, Samsung identified three primary enemies to its future goals.

The first, Apple, was described as "aggressively growing share," leaving Samsung to note that "future success is dependent on blunting Apple."

This harmonizes with the "Beat Apple" memo where Samsung called the "threat from Apple extremely real and urgent," concluding that "Beating Apple is #1 Priority" and that "everything must be context of beating Apple."

Android competitors in the "Carrier Friendly, Good Enough" market



Samsung's second target was HTC, ostensibly a "partner" that shared Samsung's collective Android market share in the reports filed by various marketing groups. Samsung described HTC as a "key challenge."

The document noted "HTC operating at a high level," specifically "launching new technology first on all 4 carriers," delivering "consistent product and software upgrades, consistent look and feel" with "aggressive pricing" that undercut Samsung's own devices.

Rather than seeing other Android makers as part of a collective family or alliance, Samsung saw HTC, once the world's leading Windows Phone maker then a pioneering adopter of Android, as a competitor to stop.

Samsung targets HTC (carrier friendly good enough) phones


But instead of targeting HTC at a high level and competing through innovation, Samsung aimed at beating HTC "at their own game," specifically in delivering cheap, low end devices Samsung referred to as "carrier friendly good enough" phones.

Enemy Me



The third enemy Samsung identified was itself. "Samsung has experienced significant product delays" the company observed, referencing "over 1 million expected S/P sell-thru lost in both 2Q and 3Q," and "almost 70 S/P sell-thru weeks already lost in 4Q."

A supporting document from February 2012 (below) detailed "significant lost sales due to late product launch and poor quality," noting "30+ delayed launches in 2011."



Samsung also worried that it was "not winning the 'Last Three Feet' of retail," where retailers and carriers were recommending products to customers. Samsung noted that 71 percent of AT&T recommendations were for Apple, while Samsung only got 18 percent.

Despite spending lots of money on advertising, Samsung observed that its "Galaxy brand [is] too weak to create sufficient 'pull' and sustain S-P sales," and complained of "insufficient sales and brand ROI achieved with channel-dominant marketing spend."

Why Google's Android Update Alliance failed



Another problem Samsung identified for itself was its chronic inability to deliver major Android software updates or even regular Maintenance Releases. This was complicated by Samsung's broad product range.

"Too many MRs required due to post launch issued found," Samsung fretted in a February 2011. "Some MRs are to address broken MRs," the company observed, making a "goal to reduce MRs required in 2012."



Samsung also referenced Google's Android Update Alliance, a "Google IO commitment" it and other Android licensees made in 2011 to deliver regular software updates for new phones for at least 18 months in response to growing criticism. Samsung was distracted with nearly forty software update releases across a broad range of products just within 2012, while Apple could focus on just one set of iOS updates for a very limited number of devices

It turned out that none of them could keep their promise. By the end of 2012, Ars Technica observed that Google's Android Update Alliance program "resulted in exactly zero improvements to update timeliness."

Samsung essentially described why the program was doomed to fail, stating months earlier, "it is expected that each product will require 1 or 2 OS updates over 18 months after launch."

Essentially, Samsung was distracted with nearly forty software update releases across a broad range of products just within 2012, while Apple could focus on just one set of iOS updates for a very limited number of devices: a total of two iOS 5 updates and two iOS 6 updates within 2012, beyond the major release of iOS 6.

That same year, Google released two patches for its Android 3.0 Honeycomb tablet platform and six updates to three different API versions of its Android 4.x. Samsung was also tasked with delivering old 2011 updates related to the Android 2.x products it was still shipping.

Samsung was finding it harder to keep up with Google's Android updates than Motorola or HTC, lagging updates to Froyo by nearly a year and continuing to remain behind with Gingerbread. Samsung continues to ship Android phones with outdated, vulnerable versions of Android today. In fact, such low end, "carrier friendly good enough" models like the Galaxy Y make up the majority of Samsung phone volumes.

Apple's ability to rapidly coax its users and developers to update to its latest version of the platform (iOS 7 has reached 87 percent deployment in just six months) has resulted in a better experience for iPhone and iPad users, a healthier rich ecosystem, and afforded the iPhone maker the luxury of ignoring outdated legacy issues, allowing it to nimbly outmaneuver the market.

Samsung eyes competing with Google



Cognizant of that, Samsung also identified a fourth competitor. In late 2011, Samsung had already set its sights on challenging Google in an effort to establish "The 3RD Platform."

Samsung vs Google


Samsung noted that, while "this won't be easy," it believed it could "influence a 3rd mobile OS platform viability and scale by driving volume aggressively," noting that "what matters most in adoption" was "market penetration."

"Market share drives ecosystem scale," Samsung charted, correlating smartphone platform market share with "number of apps added to app store."

At the time Samsung was working on Bada, a Linux project that has since been folded into the ashes of a similar project between Intel and Nokia, resulting in Tizen. Samsung has already employed Tizen as the mobile OS in a watch project, and has demonstrated phones running Tizen as a functional alternative to Android.

With its smartphones running Tizen, Samsung wouldn't have to share its ecosystem with HTC, making it easier to compete against it and other former comrades formerly affiliated under Google's Android banner.

But Samsung's document also shows other reasons why the company wanted to distance itself from Android, including greater "OS flexibility." The only thing Samsung's own Bada was lacking was "maturity." In every other respect, Samsung outlined that it would be equally easy to implement compared to Google's Android.

Tizen


Samsung also depicted the viability of Microsoft's Windows Phone and webOS, but concluded that Microsoft's platform offered "poor or restrictive" issues related to OS, UI and hardware features, while webOS was only "fair" across the board.

If Samsung can successfully replace Android with its own Tizen as its executives have since publicly outlined as a goal, it would leave Google tied to a series of hardware partners that are collectively losing lots of money. That explains why Google attempted to establish Motorola Mobility as an Android hardware maker under its own control, at least until it became obvious that the strategy wasn't working.
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I've been saying this since day one.  Samsung is just blowing smoke at Fandroids long enough to ride them like the town mules they so they can put out their own ecosystem and jettison Android when the first opportunity comes.  Fandroids were just lame tools that Samsung was so obviously using.

It's an efficient plan.  With Samsung being Android's largest partner, Android will wilt and die a long-needed death as the botched iClone experiment it was once Samsung goes to TizenOS.

The even better part is that since Samsung absolutely sucks at anything in hardware, and especially software, their mobile business will pretty much implode shortly afterwards.

It's all going right on schedule.  Fandroids are beginning to look like deers staring at headlights, and they deserve to be!

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I've been saying this since day one.  Samsung is just blowing smoke at Fandroids long enough to ride them like the town mules they so they can put out their own ecosystem and jettison Android when the first opportunity comes.  Fandroids were just lame tools that Samsung was so obviously using.


It's an efficient plan.  With Samsung being Android's largest partner, Android will wilt and die a long-needed death as the botched iClone experiment it was once Samsung goes to TizenOS.


The even better part is that since Samsung absolutely sucks at anything in hardware, and especially software, their mobile business will pretty much implode shortly afterwards.


It's all going right on schedule.  Fandroids are beginning to look like deers staring at headlights, and they deserve to be!

Let's just hope Samsung doesn't realize that all those Galaxy Y barely smart phones won't count worth a hill of beans when it comes to attracting developers to their own OS offering. I, like you, would love to watch Samsung go down this desperate and disastrous path to ruin. Not that they have a choice.
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I've been saying this since day one.  Samsung is just blowing smoke at Fandroids long enough to ride them like the town mules they so they can put out their own ecosystem and jettison Android when the first opportunity comes.  Fandroids were just lame tools that Samsung was so obviously using.

It's an efficient plan.  With Samsung being Android's largest partner, Android will wilt and die a long-needed death as the botched iClone experiment it was once Samsung goes to TizenOS.

 

The even better part is that since Samsung absolutely sucks at anything in hardware, and especially software, their mobile business will pretty much implode shortly afterwards.

 

This post seems inconsistent. Is Samsung's new software going to suck (in which case the fortunes of Samsung's Android-based competitors will presumably revive) or be good/great (in which case why do you say they suck?). Android's got a pretty big ecosystem nowadays, and a brand that people recognize in the marketplace. Unless Samsung entirely cuts its ties with Android, I suspect that customers are going to want to buy their Android-based products preferentially. The leaked documents suggest that Samsung thinks so, too (e.g. "it won't be easy"). It would be a tremendous gamble for Samsung to switch entirely to Tizen. 

 

In other news, there've been a heck of a lot of leaks from this trial! Somebody's going to be in trouble.

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Oh DED. If you write just one more Samsung article today, they will send you a bouquet of flowers and a gift certificate to a local steakhouse.

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If ever Samsung made a copy of an iPhone, it's that Tizen demo phone in the included photo.
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This post seems inconsistent. Is Samsung's new software going to suck (in which case the fortunes of Samsung's Android-based competitors will presumably revive) or be good/great (in which case why do you say they suck?). Android's got a pretty big ecosystem nowadays, and a brand that people recognize in the marketplace. Unless Samsung entirely cuts its ties with Android, I suspect that customers are going to want to buy their Android-based products preferentially. The leaked documents suggest that Samsung thinks so, too (e.g. "it won't be easy"). It would be a tremendous gamble for Samsung to switch entirely to Tizen. 

 

In other news, there've been a heck of a lot of leaks from this trial! Somebody's going to be in trouble.


Samsung's software does suck.  They have zero ability to write quality software, or maintain that which is already out in the field.  That's a given, and I will not go into it further since there's countless of articles out there that prove just that.

Samsung is Android's largest partner.  Samsung is not competing with Apple, more so than they are decimating their Android counterparts.  They are barely making any profits on their Android offerings since Samsung is taking all of it.  

I can understand your viewpoint about who makes-out after all this.  I really believe that with Samsung having the brand, and market share that most users will simply (and blindly) continue with Samsung mobile when they move to TizenOS thinking there's no difference, and essentially make Android a has-been contender.  The other Android makers will either give up when that time comes, or they will become insignificant.
 

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Not if android abandon Android first.

According to DED isn't google abandoning android because it has failed.

Good laughs.
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If ever Samsung made a copy of an iPhone, it's that Tizen demo phone in the included photo.

this would be good ammo when Samsung suggests that it was only leveraging Google's work and that Apple should go after Google instead.

This Tizen phone looks even more like an iPhone both HW and Home screen then the Galaxy. Not gonna look good to the jury if they claim that Google is to blame. 

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I really believe that with Samsung having the brand, and market share that most users will simply (and blindly) continue with Samsung mobile when they move to TizenOS thinking there's no difference, and essentially make Android a has-been contender.  

 

If I were Apple, I'd hit them with another lawsuit early on Tizen if it looks like what is in that photo.

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Tizen is all but dead, carriers are not biting, the only thing running Tizen right now are two samsung smart watches, and that was dead as soon as google provided the "android wear" preview. 

 

Samsung knows where its bread it buttered, if samsung ever dumps android it dumps the Western markets, and google goes over to some chinese OEM and says, hey you want to take over Latin America and south East Asia and sell cheap android phones? Lets be best friends. 

 

Without android, Samsung kills its high end market, and all but makes certain google and a bunch of rag tag OEMs eat the low end. 

 

Samsung is incompetent at software, and it is so far behind. You actually have a better chance at Nokia become Nokia pre-iphone then you have samsung surviving with out its Pimp google. 

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Would android even exist anymore if samsung ditched it? 

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Covert strategy to replace android?

I guess I missed out on the covert part since its been pretty public since, well,... 2011. Of course they've since sold Bada and are now tinkering in Tizen.

Hopefully they'll release something pretty soon. If it's better than Android, WP, and iOS, I'll happily switch.

I think Samsung is going to face some uphill challenges with it (in addition to many of the same challenges they have with Android). If they use it to lock things down and force the use of more Samsung apps I think most Android users will largely avoid it and stick with one of Samsung's Android offerings (or another manufacturer's). For the people that wouldn't mind being inside a walled garden, Samsung has the challenge of building one that is better than Apple's... Good luck with that.

Have to give Samsung credit though, I think they identified their targets in 2011 fairly accurately and for 2012 executed very well to their strategic plan.
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Would android even exist anymore if samsung ditched it? 

why would it not? There is already an ecosystem established.

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Would android even exist anymore if samsung ditched it? 

 

Excellent point. Android fans have invested heavily in Samsung hardware since it carries the flag for Android. If Samsung moves away from Android will Android fans move away from Samsung? Are Samsung customers Samsung fans or Android fans? We know Apple customers are Apple fans in general, not necessarily iOS fans.

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I can understand your viewpoint about who makes-out after all this.  I really believe that with Samsung having the brand, and market share that most users will simply (and blindly) continue with Samsung mobile when they move to TizenOS thinking there's no difference, and essentially make Android a has-been contender.  The other Android makers will either give up when that time comes, or they will become insignificant.

Though I don't agree with you. I would be interested to see the outcome of that scenario.
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why would it not? There is already an ecosystem established.

 

Okay. So let’s remove all the plants from that ecosystem. How long does it last?

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It will be called 'Samsung OS'
or S.O.S. for short.
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Excellent point. Android fans have invested heavily in Samsung hardware since it carries the flag for Android. If Samsung moves away from Android will Android fans move away from Samsung? Are Samsung customers Samsung fans or Android fans? We know Apple customers are Apple fans in general, not necessarily iOS fans.

Excellent questions. Though I don't think that there isn't a definitive answer.
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I've been saying this since day one.  Samsung is just blowing smoke at Fandroids long enough to ride them like the town mules they so they can put out their own ecosystem and jettison Android when the first opportunity comes.  Fandroids were just lame tools that Samsung was so obviously using.


It's an efficient plan.  With Samsung being Android's largest partner, Android will wilt and die a long-needed death as the botched iClone experiment it was once Samsung goes to TizenOS.


The even better part is that since Samsung absolutely sucks at anything in hardware, and especially software, their mobile business will pretty much implode shortly afterwards.


It's all going right on schedule.  Fandroids are beginning to look like deers staring at headlights, and they deserve to be!
If you assume the author is correct and Samsung will dump Android it won't really matter. The same author believes Google is dropping Android too.
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 Of course they've since sold Bada and are now tinkering in Tizen.
 

hold up.  They sold Bada to who?   Tizen is Bada merged with Meego which was Nokia QT merged with Moblin 2 which was OpenedHand Clutter merged with Moblin which was lite version of Gnome GTK which was based on Linux.

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why would it not? There is already an ecosystem established.

Because the market share of the other manufacturers is tiny.
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why would it not? There is already an ecosystem established.

 

Okay. So let’s remove all the plants from that ecosystem. How long does it last?

I honestly don't know. Maybe we find out soon enough using Microsoft Windows as a subject.

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The same author believes Google is dropping Android too.

That's not a new theory. I read that several years ago on another site. Rumor was Google was going to hit the reset button and release a Chrome OS for phones.
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Oh stop. Samsung is Apple's most direct competitor (and perhaps Apple's biggest IP thief), so news about their strategies and tactics is highly relevant. If you don't care much for it just pass on it. (I'd much rather read about this than recycled analyst pap).
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The same author believes Google is dropping Android too.

That's not a new theory. I read that several years ago on another site. Rumor was Google was going to hit the reset button and release a Chrome OS for phones.

if they could do it they would. This would be the "its not gonna be easy" part.  Google could care less if its this sack of poop platform or that sack of poop platform as long as its their platform that they can control and no one is able to get in their way from harvesting user information. Like Apple.

 

They want to be the man in the middle  of all user interaction and sensors in the device.   If Apple would have allowed them that freedom in the first place there would be no Android. 


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Not if android abandon Android first.

According to DED isn't google abandoning android because it has failed.

Good laughs.

 

Not because of "failure," but because of infringement issues: Google appears ready to ditch Android over its intellectual property issues

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Not if android abandon Android first.

According to DED isn't google abandoning android because it has failed.

Good laughs.

 

Not because of "failure," but because of infringement issues: Google appears ready to ditch Android over its intellectual property issues

I concur. I understood this point exactly as you summarized.  Anyone who got confused needs to go back and reread that editorial.  Google could care less about Android, as long as they have a vessel to be the man in the middle of all consumer interaction with the internet and access to all data being generated by sensors in the user's device.

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Covert strategy to replace android?

I guess I missed out on the covert part since its been pretty public since, well,... 2011. Of course they've since sold Bada and are now tinkering in Tizen.

Hopefully they'll release something pretty soon. If it's better than Android, WP, and iOS, I'll happily switch.

I think Samsung is going to face some uphill challenges with it (in addition to many of the same challenges they have with Android). If they use it to lock things down and force the use of more Samsung apps I think most Android users will largely avoid it and stick with one of Samsung's Android offerings (or another manufacturer's). For the people that wouldn't mind being inside a walled garden, Samsung has the challenge of building one that is better than Apple's... Good luck with that.

Have to give Samsung credit though, I think they identified their targets in 2011 fairly accurately and for 2012 executed very well to their strategic plan.

 

The covert aspect is that Samsung’s volume play and its pointed eradication of HTC (which most Android fans will tell you makes much better phones than Samsung, as Samsung itself acknowledged above) are serving its plans to destroy Android from the inside out. 

 

Market research companies, however, continue to report that Samsung’s volume is supporting and leading Android as a strong competitor to Apple. Just because you read AI doesn’t mean the rest of the tech world is as well informed about what is happening. 

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Excellent point. Android fans have invested heavily in Samsung hardware since it carries the flag for Android. If Samsung moves away from Android will Android fans move away from Samsung? Are Samsung customers Samsung fans or Android fans? We know Apple customers are Apple fans in general, not necessarily iOS fans.

 

Exactly. It'll be interesting to see where this leads.

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Not because of "failure," but because of infringement issues: Google appears ready to ditch Android over its intellectual property issues

 



Which I'm all for. The sooner Java gets the boot the better.

C and it's derivatives will do so much more for developers and should have been something Google did in the first place like Apple and MS did by carrying C/C#/Objective-C over.
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The covert aspect is that Samsung’s volume play and its pointed eradication of HTC (which most Android fans will tell you makes much better phones than Samsung, as Samsung itself acknowledged above) are serving its plans to destroy Android from the inside out. 

Either I need to go back and reread more carefully or maybe this could have been empathized more clearly and straight forward as you stated here. I honestly did not pick up this point upon reading the article. Maybe a little bit of both?

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Tizen is all but dead, carriers are not biting, the only thing running Tizen right now are two samsung smart watches, and that was dead as soon as google provided the "android wear" preview. 

 

Samsung knows where its bread it buttered, if samsung ever dumps android it dumps the Western markets, and google goes over to some chinese OEM and says, hey you want to take over Latin America and south East Asia and sell cheap android phones? Lets be best friends. 

 

Without android, Samsung kills its high end market, and all but makes certain google and a bunch of rag tag OEMs eat the low end. 

 

Samsung is incompetent at software, and it is so far behind. You actually have a better chance at Nokia become Nokia pre-iphone then you have samsung surviving with out its Pimp google. 

 

Well actually, Tizen is an outgrowth of what Nokia had been working on prior to Microsoft shifting the company into a Windows Phone failure. 

 

Also, Samsung is floating Tizen as an open source project similar to Symbian or Android. The advantage would be that it doesn’t come with strings tied to handing Google the top spot in mobile advertising and services like Google Maps and Now.

 

So Tizen : Android is something like Linux : Windows: a less restrictive option for companies sick of sharing the wealth with a platform vendor that is making stabs at competing directly with its own licensees on the hardware side of the business.

 

Also, Samsung doesn’t need to be a genius at software. Android is full of problems. Tizen only needs to be "carrier friendly good enough"

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Tizen only needs to be "carrier friendly good enough"

I think that is what we had before iOS and Android.   No mature Ecosystem, carrier friendly good enough.  Right?   I think it needs to be more than that if you want to get people off Android. Having Samsung abandon Android and convince people to follow them onto Tizen with "carrier friendly good enough" without the mature ecosystem in non starter for most who are already invested into Android App.   On the other hand, I am not saying many are.  Having good user experience with email, browser, messaging, and Facebook might be enough for some consumers. Probably the kind of people who would choose Windows Mobile over Android or iOS.

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If Samsung tries to go their own way with a Tizen phone, they would need to decide if they want to market it as premium or low end phones or both.  If they go low end, they would be racing to the bottom and effectively competing against their own Android models.  If they go premium they are going to need to be better than both Apple and their own Android models at the user experience.  Good luck with that one.    more "its not going to be easy"

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I honestly don't know.

 

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