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<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1001-935048.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">Check this out..</a>

These will be available in June!! It seems that the P4-M is scaling really much faster than even Intel predicted. Really, weight and aesthetics asside, that is one hell of a lot of punch for a laptop. What can apple do, to try to restore some parity here???
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All things being equal (& theyre not) a 2 GHz notebook chip would have nowhere near the processing power of a desktop chip of the same clock speed (obviously) & without further info it would be safe to assume the little sucker would drain the battery dry like a *insert clever metaphor here*

but like you said:

BLOODY HELL!! a 2 GHz laptop
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[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong><a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1001-935048.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">Check this out..</a>

These will be available in June!! It seems that the P4-M is scaling really much faster than even Intel predicted. Really, weight and aesthetics asside, that is one hell of a lot of punch for a laptop. What can apple do, to try to restore some parity here??? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmmm well maybe if apple had a proc with a 22 stage pipline it would be a little easier now wouldn't it?

It would be nice to converse about more meaningful processor metrics other than megahertz. Intel created the P4 design to appeal to the "megahertz is everything" crowd and I guess they've succeeded..because that's all I hear being blathered about.
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post #4 of 27
ditto what hmurchison said.

ps. i bet i produce more with my 667dvi than 99% of windows users using their 2ghz notebook to check mail, word proc, and play solitaire.

please people loose the number intel megahrtz myth.

ps 3d people excepted of course
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[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong><a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1001-935048.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">Check this out..</a>

These will be available in June!! It seems that the P4-M is scaling really much faster than even Intel predicted. Really, weight and aesthetics asside, that is one hell of a lot of punch for a laptop. What can apple do, to try to restore some parity here??? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Cut the battery life in half and make the laptop slow down by about 40% when it's not plugged into the wall? Then it might be equal.
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Don't Flame me please, I'm just posting some results. Apple had really had the extra things that made its computer better. Built in 802.11. Firewire. Cook design ect. But the PC world It catching up, and fast.Has all that + Dobly out, DDR, 64MB graphics. I compared Getways Top of the line to the Ti Book. And Yes I know Its not comapring Apples and Apples (Pun only sorta intended) but still COME ON and OPEN YOUR EYES!

Processor: Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 1.8GHz-M

Screen: 15.7" SXGA TFT Active Matrix

Memory: 256MB DDR SDRAM

Hard Drive: 40GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive

Floppy Drive: 3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive

CD-ROM or DVD: Modular 8x/8x/24x CDRW and 8x DVD combo

Application Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2002 - Including Microsoft® Word and Encarta

Video: ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 w/ 64MB DDR Video Memory (Sh!t !)

Multimedia: SoundBlaster Pro Compatible Sound & Stereo Speakers, Internal Microphone, Headphone/Speaker Jack, Line-In and Line-Out Mic Jacks

Expansion Slots: Two PCMCIA Type II or One Type III PC Card Slots

External ports: SVGA, Parallel, Serial, (2) USB, PS/2, S/PDIF, NTSC/PAL Output

Advanced Digital Multimedia Ports: Integrated IEEE 1394 AND optical port for Dolby Digital Output

Battery: High-Capacity Lithium Ion Battery with AC pack

Dimensions: 13.86" x 11.44" x 1.77" (W x D x H), approximate weight 8.65lb. (Kinda Really a Beast but only 3 lbs heavier)

Modem: Integrated V.92 56K Modem

Network Adapter: Integrated Intel® PRO 10/100 VE Network Connection

Wireless Networking Adapter: Integrated 802.11b Wireless Networking

Internet Service Provider: One year America Online®

Limited Warranty Program: 1Yr Parts, Labor, No
Price: $2,474.00
All for UNDER the price of the 667 Ti (No need to lest specs I hope)

And yes I own a Tibook, I wouldn't trade it, but we are only 5% of the market.

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[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: MJE ]</p>
post #7 of 27
Are we going to have another one of these stupid threads every time the competition releases a new model?

Mods, please start moving these threads into General Discussion, before this forum goes completely to sh!t.
post #8 of 27
3lbs heavier!!!! :eek: That thing's a TANK!!!

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post #9 of 27
I wouldn't mind carrying a huge laptop if it had extrra batteries to handle a 3 GHz P4. A true P4, not some friggin Portable processor.
AND IT RUNS AT FULL SPEED AT ALL TIMES! No stupid cutbacks.

I'll carry 15 pounds of laptop equiptment if I can get a complete desktop replacement. I said 3 GHz becaue that will be the next iteration.

Hmm... it would be prety loud. Fat P4s generate enough heat to fry stuff, so they need bigass fans.

Hey! I'll carry another 15 pounds - a dewar of liquid nitrogen!
post #10 of 27
Correct me I'm wrong, but doesn't Apple's power management scheme cut processor speed as well?
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post #11 of 27
1.) These 2GB+ chips shouldn't even be listed in the "Future Hardware" section. A friend of mine has an AlienWare PC Laptop that has a 2.4GB Intel in it. These models have been out since at least April and thats just when I found out about them.

2.) Secondly, PC manufactures are ALWAYS taking heat from consumers on the weight of their notebooks. Mac comsumers (& Apple themselves) are always bragging about theirs. My iBook weighs around 5lbs. My friends AlienWare weighs about 12 -13. Gee that just doesn't seem all that "portable" to me.

3.) Windows, and I speak from 5 year PC Admin experience, for the most part is so bloated, that your never see the processor potential anyway. Not to mention all the crap they throw on their systems when they sell it.

4.) The battery life in my iBook is phenominal. I couldn't go 45 minutes with my Dell inspiron without the battery dying. I can take a 3 hour trip in my car without that happening to my iBook.

I'm not defending Mac because I love them so much since I got my iBook. I'm just saying, let the PC morons grunt over their Mhz. It doesn't mean jack in the end.
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post #12 of 27
Actually, you can already get a PC laptop with a true 2.4 GHz P4 <a href="http://www.alienware.com/main/system_pages/area51-m.asp" target="_blank">http://www.alienware.com/main/system_pages/area51-m.asp</a>

The heavy desktop replacement laptops are becoming quite popular, Apple should really consider making one.
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post #13 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Mac Voyer:
<strong>Correct me I'm wrong, but doesn't Apple's power management scheme cut processor speed as well?</strong><hr></blockquote>

IIRC, certain laptops did so under 9. X doesn't even have an option for it. Run a benchmark (like povbench) with and w/out power - it will turn out the same.

Than again, supposedly this option is back in Jag-wire.
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post #14 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Res:
<strong>Actually, you can already get a PC laptop with a true 2.4 GHz P4 <a href="http://www.alienware.com/main/system_pages/area51-m.asp" target="_blank">http://www.alienware.com/main/system_pages/area51-m.asp</a>

The heavy desktop replacement laptops are becoming quite popular, Apple should really consider making one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats the system that I was saying that my friend has.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anonymous Karma:
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IIRC, certain laptops did so under 9. X doesn't even have an option for it. Run a benchmark (like povbench) with and w/out power - it will turn out the same.

Than again, supposedly this option is back in Jag-wire.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now on xlr8yourmac in the iBook soft overclocking article they mentioned that the processor can be ordered by the energy saver to go to 400 Mhz in X.
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post #16 of 27
OOOOOO! 1 GHz G3 iBooks!
post #17 of 27
oohhh 2 ghz pc laptops that rely on inefficient pipelines and marketing that blows smoke up people's tailpipes.
post #18 of 27
I hate when people try to sound like they know what they are talking about, but still can't remember that processor speeds are measured in hertz, not bytes. (2.4 GB? by today's standards, that's a pretty lame hard drive size.)
post #19 of 27
[quote] Originally posted by: Gizwald
I hate when people try to sound like they know what they are talking about, but still can't remember that processor speeds are measured in hertz, not bytes.... <hr></blockquote>

sorry to be a nit picking smart ass, but processor speeds aren't measured in hertz either, you are referring to the clock speed not the processor speed
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post #20 of 27
BLOODY HELL APPLE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO SH!T

Get a life. If you have info on FUTURE APPLE hardware, then this is the place.

This is not the place for CURRENT PC hardware. Go to a PC FORUM for that or take it to the general forum.

Apples doesn't need to do ANYTHING MORE then it is currently doing. That includes the towers as Apple seems to be on a bit of a roll.

So troll elsewhere.
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post #21 of 27
This forum has redundent topics <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I think we should have auto generating topics a month after a MacWorld.

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post #22 of 27
Relax KidRed,

I think the confusion over future and current hardware stems from the fact that only hugely optimistic hypothetical future macs stand any chance at all of competing with current (or even slightly out of date) PC's.

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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Relax KidRed,

I think the confusion over future and current hardware stems from the fact that only hugely optimistic hypothetical future macs stand any chance at all of competing with current (or even slightly out of date) PC's.

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

mm, personally I disagree. Intel could release a 5.0ghz chip tomorrow and my feelings and position wouldn't change. Why? Because my dual gig is plenty fast for what I do and X is simply awesome only to improve.

It seems that you are slightly displeased with Apple, if so, why do you bother with these boards when you could be on the PC boards telling everyone how macs are crap and years behind the PCs?
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[quote]Originally posted by Anonymous Karma:
<strong>IIRC, certain laptops did so under 9. X doesn't even have an option for it. Run a benchmark (like povbench) with and w/out power - it will turn out the same.

Than again, supposedly this option is back in Jag-wire.</strong><hr></blockquote>The energy saver control panel on my Ti800 allows me to check a box to reduce processor speed. I've heard that it sets it at 667. But I don't believe this happens in any Apple laptops automatically, as it does on Wintel laptops simply by unplugging them.
post #25 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Gizwald:
<strong>I hate when people try to sound like they know what they are talking about, but still can't remember that processor speeds are measured in hertz, not bytes. (2.4 GB? by today's standards, that's a pretty lame hard drive size.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hate it when people try to sound like they know what they are talking about by finding slim mistakes that others make. Of course I meant GHz, Smart Ass.

Also, just for the record, an article was release last year on IBM stating that they had 3.7 and 4 GIGAHERTZ (is that better?) processors in working condition at that time. I doubt they were ready for mass production, but they we're reported as working even then.

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post #26 of 27
If he used a PC, then he wouldn't care about Mac performance. His platform of choice is Mac, and thus we wants to be able to buy a Mac that is fast, fast enough for him, but also fast enough to compete with Wintels.

It's about the future of the Mac platform. If Apple doesn't make competitive products, then they go out of business, and then ALL Mac users lose. no matter if they need the performance or not.

I'm not saying Apple is going to go belly up, only that this is what drives the need for competitive Mac products.
post #27 of 27
This has nothing to do with Future Hardware. Moving...
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