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Customers looking to purchase a new CarPlay-equipped vehicle from Hyundai may experience sticker shock, as the company has said that the feature will only be available alongside a navigation system, an upgrade that could cost thousands of dollars.




According to Hyundai, CarPlay will be "available on 2015 Sonatas equipped with navigation later in the 2015 model year." Hyundai unveiled the 2015 edition last last month.

The cheapest way for buyers to get a 2014 model year Sonata with a navigation system is to add the $3,000 "Premium Package" to the purchase of a Sonata -- itself already upgraded to the SE trim level, which costs some $2,850 more. That package also nets buyers a power sunroof, blind spot detection system, a premium audio system, and a subscription to traffic, weather, sports, and stock updates that are delivered on the in-dash touchscreen.

That combination ratchets the manufacturers' suggested retail price up to just over $27,000 before tax, nearly $6,000 more than the base model Sonata GLS.

Bundling CarPlay with premium accessory packages and trim levels may drive price-conscious buyers into the arms of aftermarket manufacturers. CarPlay-compatible head units from Alpine are expected to start at just $500, while Pioneer said on Tuesday that its dashboard installable kits will start at $700.

While it is unknown exactly what tack other Apple partners will take when it comes to offering CarPlay as an option, few marques cater to the same financial strata of consumers as Hyundai, who have long been known to strive for affordability. The majority of Apple's other CarPlay partners -- like Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo, who have already shown of CarPlay-equipped vehicles of their own -- are known as premium brands.
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Uhhh... So? Many are already equipped with navigation, anyway. It would seem a little out of character to offer such a premium feature as CarPlay on a car with manually-operated windows!

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Car makers have always ripped people off for the most basic features. Many still charge well of $1000 just for navigation, which is many cases is not as good as standalone systems or even what can be done on a phone.

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Car makers have always ripped people off for the most basic features. Many still charge well of $1000 just for navigation, which is many cases is not as good as standalone systems or even what can be done on a phone.

 

The navigation in my Ford is pretty good, but standalone units work so much better when trying to find an address or looking up a POI. I always use my Garmin on road trips along with the navigation in my vehicle.

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Bet if Steve was still around, crap like this would make him seriously contemplate building his own car.
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Just plunked down a ridiculous amount for nav in the wife's new honda. Wouldn't have thought twice about it if carplay was included.
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Wonder if the long arm of Samsung is involved in making Apple's product too pricey for most.
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Just plunked down a ridiculous amount for nav in the wife's new honda. Wouldn't have thought twice about it if carplay was included.

Best nav system - iPhone (pick your app or use Apple Maps), Pro-clip bracket, charging + audio connectivity. It'll set you back somewhere between 50 and 150 bucks depending on what kind / age car you have. You get the best navigation, handsfree dialling etc, never have to charge your phone as long as you spend half an hour per day in your car, all your music & radio etc, with Siri.  Not as elegant as CarPlay perhaps but pretty good nonetheless.

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Bet if Steve was still around, crap like this would make him seriously contemplate building his own car.

 



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OEM navi is so over priced when we all have a GPS unit in our pockets
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Best nav system - iPhone (pick your app or use Apple Maps), Pro-clip bracket, charging + audio connectivity. It'll set you back somewhere between 50 and 150 bucks depending on what kind / age car you have. You get the best navigation, handsfree dialling etc, never have to charge your phone as long as you spend half an hour per day in your car, all your music & radio etc, with Siri.  Not as elegant as CarPlay perhaps but pretty good nonetheless.

Agreed, Pax. But having the cables and having to hookup everytime b/c of battery life is not convenient. But as u say, better than other options. The car manufacturers will put the screws to us for CarPlay-Apple's elegant solution
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This shouldn't shock anyone as the only way to get that 8" high-resolution color LCD touchscreen is to get the package with the navigation system. There is no artificial limiting of CarPlay here. The Sonata starts off with a simple, monochrome display for the AM/FM radio in the base model which you can upgrade to a 4.3" color LCD touchscreen audio system, but I'm not it controls other features of the car, is quite small for CarPlay and likely not allowed by Apple.

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Why does this article exist? It tells us what we already know. Every car manufacturer out there has crappy packages to hide the features you do want with a bunch that you don't want so they can jack up the average retail price of their cars. Is this at all surprising? This is exactly what Cable companies do with programming as well. 

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Why does this article exist? It tells us what we already know. Every car manufacturer out there has crappy packages to hide the features you do want with a bunch that you don't want so they can jack up the average retail price of their cars. Is this at all surprising? This is exactly what Cable companies do with programming as well. 

This is not the same since it's not a check box on an account to allow the same exact cable box everyone has to access more content. I'm not saying it's not overpriced or that they don't build packages to put a single desirable option with a bunch of crappy ones, but this does require certain HW for CarPlay to work. The 2-line monochrome display for the AM/FM radio isn't going to cut it.

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I remember when the Korean cars first came to the US market. They were so cheap that if you wanted to make an emergency stop, u just turned on the air conditioning. 1smile.gif

I recently rented a Hyundai elantra and after I got over the 15 different shades of plastic in the interior, it was actually pretty good in that I enjoyed the performance and the 40 miles per gallon.
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"few marques cater to the same financial strata of consumers as Hyundai, who have long been known to strive for affordability"

 

Yeah, right, "few" car companies compete for that niche market of "affordable" cars.  In reality Huyndai is competing directly with the everyone else for the core of the market.

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The biggest ripoff in terms of inflating car costs are dealerships.Have you evel looked at the dealer added costs on a car? I read that dealers actually add anywhere from 10 to 30% to the cost and for what?  It is unfortunate that we can't simply log on to a manufacturer website, customize the car to our liking and buy it from them directly. I think the only company that currently allows this is Tesla. New jersey actually just passed a law I believe to prevent Tesla from selling direct in that state which staggers the mind. Imagine if states told Apple they were not allowed to have their own Apple stores and instead had to sell through BestBuy, Target, etc...Apple's growth over the last several years was partly attributable to the fantastic experience you can get at an Apple store that added a huge value to the brand. 

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If Alpine has a aftermarket car stereo coming for $500 it won't be long before you can get a Kenwood or sony for $199, iv been holding off on a new head unit for my '86 Toyota 4x4. Can't wait...
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Wonder if the long arm of Samsung is involved in making Apple's product too pricey for most.

Probably not. The more likely reason is:
1. Apple users are made out of money
2. Unnecessary packaging of features = more money (like cable companies package channels.)
3. Mo' money = win
4. Apple users are willing to "pay a premium" for nice things
5. The Sonata is only available with a color LCD panel if ordered with nav system
6. Money is yummy if you blend it with yogurt and crushed ice

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What makes sense to me:

Take a standard iPad Air WiFi ($499-699) and:
  • attach it to the dash with a [suction cup or somesuch] case/holder
  • attach it to the iPhone via AirPlay
  • attach the iPhone to the car systems (QNX) via available standerd interface

This way the QNX could supply all the car controls/info through the iPhone.

The iPad/iPhone could supply maps, navigation, traffic, weather, etc.

Backseat iPads could be standalone or AirPlay-connected to the iPhone for infotainment.


The total cost would be much less. It would be easily and inexpensively upgradable

Best of all -- all the devices can be removed from the vehicle -- used as standalone -- and would not tempt car break ins.,


You are in the car watching a movie or planning your trip. You stop for lunch (or for the night) -- you take your infotainment with you -- it does you absolutely no good in the garage or parking lot!


Built-in car infotainment ... We don't need no stinkin' built-in car infotainment!
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hope it will roll out as a $500 or less option, otherwise, it seems like mounting my iPhone and using bluetooth is a better option.
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Since Apple Maps (and voice navigation) is built into CarPlay why would one require a navigation unit from the car manufacturer?

 

Also. does anyone know if CarPlay is limited only to Apple Maps? Can one use another map application or GPS nav app on your phone?

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One of the big criticisms of built-in car nav systems was the difficulty and cost of obtaining and installing updated map info. Meanwhile, Google, Apple, and a number of standalone GPS manufacturers offer near-continuous updates and don't charge extra. It's worth noting that Hyundai, however, is claiming that its car nav systems will soon incorporate wifi update capability when tethered to a wireless smart phone.

 

http://telematicsnews.info/2014/02/20/hyundai-mnsoft-updates-in-car-navigation-maps-over-the-air_f5203/

 

Yet you have to wonder ... why bother? Last fall we took a road trip around Lake Michigan and had great Maps app service on an iPad, except for one remote 50 mile stretch in the Upper Peninsula where the signal was still limited to EDGE. In most places, AT&T was delivering 4G and LTE.

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Since Apple Maps (and voice navigation) is built into CarPlay why would one require a navigation unit from the car manufacturer?

As previously mentioned, it's because the way you get a large color tochscreen in today's cars is by getting the package that includes navigation. It's not because CarPlay requires the car to have its own navigation system,
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Also. does anyone know if CarPlay is limited only to Apple Maps? Can one use another map application or GPS nav app on your phone?

We know that 3rd-party icons can show up on the CarPlay UI so I hope that Apple will not force everyone to use Apple Maps with CarPlay.

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One of the big criticisms of built-in car nav systems was the difficulty and cost of obtaining and installing updated map info. Meanwhile, Google, Apple, and a number of standalone GPS manufacturers offer near-continuous updates and don't charge extra. It's worth noting that Hyundai, however, is claiming that its car nav systems will soon incorporate wifi update capability when tethered to a wireless smart phone.

http://telematicsnews.info/2014/02/20/hyundai-mnsoft-updates-in-car-navigation-maps-over-the-air_f5203/

Yet you have to wonder ... why bother? Last fall we took a road trip around Lake Michigan and had great Maps app service on an iPad, except for one remote 50 mile stretch in the Upper Peninsula where the signal was still limited to EDGE. In most places, AT&T was delivering 4G and LTE.

1) This will probably be one of those vestigial technologies that is no longer used extensively but still included, like 802.11b, GPRS, USB 1.1, or (in cars) AM radio and cassette tapes, as large colour displays become more standard features. They've already laid the groundwork years ago for those large colour displays in cars, there will surely be a few holds that don't want a smartphone or a rare occasion when it's not on them or not working, and it doesn't hurt the spec list to include it.

2) I'd like to see WiFi in cars because then it will be possible for CarPlay to work wirelessly. It's simply not an option with BT.

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Dudes. The iPhone IS a navigation system. No Sonata for me.
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OEM navi is so over priced when we all have a GPS unit in our pockets

Are you sure about that?  You are paying about $100 a month to use your iPhone with unlimited data for your Navi in your pocket.  That is about $1,200 per year for your Navi system in your pocket, that you continue to pay every year, every month.  I paid $1,500 once for the OEM Navi option, which also included other features in the car.  Decent aftermarket stereos with Navi will cost $1,000 to $1,500, and sometimes more.  Add an amp, speakers and a sub and you are close to $2,000 for an aftermarket system.  Yet you will continue to pay monthly and yearly for something that you think is overpriced to pay one time only.  Oh, my OEM navi will continue to work in areas without cell service.  Good luck with your iPhone navi without cell service.

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Are you sure about that?  You are paying about $100 a month to use your iPhone with unlimited data for your Navi in your pocket.  That is about $1,200 per year for your Navi system in your pocket, that you continue to pay every year, every month.  I paid $1,500 once for the OEM Navi option, which also included other features in the car.  Decent aftermarket stereos with Navi will cost $1,000 to $1,500, and sometimes more.  Add an amp, speakers and a sub and you are close to $2,000 for an aftermarket system.  Yet you will continue to pay monthly and yearly for something that you think is overpriced to pay one time only.  Oh, my OEM navi will continue to work in areas without cell service.  Good luck with your iPhone navi without cell service.

 

$100 a month? Maybe you are. I pay $50 a month with Sprint for unlimited data on my 5s and my plan is not even the cheapest for unlimited. Sprint now has $45 a month unlimited plans. And yes I mean truly unlimited LTE which means no soft caps and no throttling. I used around 25GB last month for example because I went on vacation and watched a lot of HBOgo and Netflix. There are plans with many carriers for $45 a month and possibly lower. Not to mention that GPS on my phone is just an added bonus to all the other things it can do. Unless you plan on not having a phone at all you will still be paying for it monthly as well.

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One of the big criticisms of built-in car nav systems was the difficulty and cost of obtaining and installing updated map info.  

 

Last fall we took a road trip around Lake Michigan and had great Maps app service on an iPad, except for one remote 50 mile stretch in the Upper Peninsula where the signal was still limited to EDGE. In most places, AT&T was delivering 4G and LTE.

What do you base your first opinion on?  Have you ever owned a car with Navi and updated it?  Sounds like you never have.  Map updates were easy, and when on sale, inexpensive.  I bought Honda DVDs when they were on sale for $99 (instead of $149).  I sold my old Map DVD on eBay and recouped half the cost or more of the new DVD.  Install the new DVD and your update is done automatically.  How hard is that?  Current Hondas no longer use DVD drives.  They are flash-memory.  Map upgrades are now purchased as a USB flash drive.  Plug in the flash drive and the new data is uploaded to the stereo.  Why do you think that is hard to do?  Map updates are not necessary every year.  I bought one in 2007, and another in 2011.  Your smartphone requires a monthly fee.

 

You confirmed the failure of smartphone navigation.  No cell service, no navigation.  My OEM navi would still work perfectly because it does not require cell service to operate.  People who claim smartphone nav is better are full of themselves.  They all get to the same address.  My Honda Navi did a better job than a Garmin, which prompted multiple turns to get to one location instead of a more direct route guided by my Honda's Navi.

 

Portable Navis get stolen all the time because people are too lazy to remove them from the windshields.  The OEM dash stereo is unlikely to ever get stolen, which is another benefit.

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$100 a month? Maybe you are. I pay $50 a month with Sprint for unlimited data on my 5s and my plan is not even the cheapest for unlimited. Sprint now has $45 a month unlimited plans. And yes I mean truly unlimited LTE which means no soft caps and no throttling. I used around 25GB last month for example because I went on vacation and watched a lot of HBOgo and Netflix. There are plans with many carriers for $45 a month and possibly lower. Not to mention that GPS on my phone is just an added bonus to all the other things it can do. Unless you plan on not having a phone at all you will still be paying for it monthly as well.

If you are lucky to get Sprint service well in your area, good for you.  Sprint's lowest fee is $70 per month for unlimited individual plan.  You are talking about family rates, I looked it up.  Sprint sucks big time in Los Angeles, with the worst coverage.  What good is a phone with lousy coverage areas?  Have you ever heard of a pay as you go phone?  I paid $100 for a YEAR of phone service with a pay as you go phone.  Smartphones are not required to survive in life.  There are plenty of phone options that don't require monthly fees every month.

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Why does this article exist? It tells us what we already know. Every car manufacturer out there has crappy packages to hide the features you do want with a bunch that you don't want so they can jack up the average retail price of their cars. Is this at all surprising? This is exactly what Cable companies do with programming as well. 

Yeah, big surprise, right?
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Probably not. The more likely reason is:
1. Apple users are made out of money
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4. Apple users are willing to "pay a premium" for nice things
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1. I'm living on disability. I have almost no money at all. I gave my first (original) iPhone to my equally poor friend so she could have a decent phone and she loves it. Another close friend has her own business and just barely scrapes by, but she helped me buy my current iPhone 4 and she uses Apple product extensively.

4. Premium for "nice things"? Try again. We buy the stuff that works more often, more reliably, with greater ease (I was a tech geek all my life and I've abandoned that stupid lifestyle and abandoned tech work because it's a never-ending dead end job and pointless and expensive lifestyle). Computing devices shouldn't require so much damn management and reloading and rebuilding. Screw that. My existing self-built PC is the last PC I will ever build. If I can afford to buy a games-only computer some day (highly unlikely) that's the only way I'll even possibly buy another Windows machine. All funds I can scrape together now are dedicated to a self-contained computing appliance like a Mac of some type. In the long run, my MacBooks have cost me FAR LESS than my constantly troubled PC builds (and before you go blaming me for choosing crappy parts, I didn't; I went with the recommendations of all the other geeks, and only after buying those parts did the consensus change to reflect how junky those specific ASUS and EVGA parts were in hind sight!!). Never again!! One unified warranty, with one entity, not some pile of various parts with various warranty coverage entities! This is why I pay "more" for Apple product.

Now I just hope Apple undoes some of its foolishness with iOS 7, and doesn't trash Mac OS X the same way it trashed iOS.
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No surprise here. The Hyundai is a low cost car with tons of premium features available. If anyone has purchased a car with navi before, they know it comes at a premium price.

I don't see the cost going down soon either as cars switch from resistive to capacitive touchscreens. CarPlay is nice, but it will shine on a display that supports swipes and multi-touch gestures.

Electronics for a car need to be a lot tougher than the equivalent for the home. Also, all cars come with at least a 3 year warranty and several, like the Hyundai, have a 5 year warranty. The cost to support that needs to be baked into the price somewhere.
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Dudes. The iPhone IS a navigation system. No Sonata for me.

Waaaay ahead of ya...

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If you are lucky to get Sprint service well in your area, good for you.  Sprint's lowest fee is $70 per month for unlimited individual plan.  You are talking about family rates, I looked it up.  Sprint sucks big time in Los Angeles, with the worst coverage.  What good is a phone with lousy coverage areas?  Have you ever heard of a pay as you go phone?  I paid $100 for a YEAR of phone service with a pay as you go phone.  Smartphones are not required to survive in life.  There are plenty of phone options that don't require monthly fees every month.

 

No, the new framily plan rates are open to anyone including individuals, you do not need a family to get family rates. To get the $45 unlimited rate as an individual all you do is join a plan that already has 6 other people which is easy to do now since there are websites/facebook sites for people to share their ID's. Sort of similar to the way DirecTV offers reduced rates for sharing account ID's. You can check the framily ID before you join to make sure 6 are there before you join to make sure you get the $45 unlimited rate. 

 

I agree without good coverage where you live/work/play it would be pointless to use any carrier. I was in L.A. about 4 months ago and got good service. Granted I was there only 4 days and also realize metro L.A. is a huge area and I only visited a tiny part. I get great coverage where I live so am happy with Sprint but more importantly my bill. My recent vacation was to Fort Lauderdale and Miami Beach and on the 10 hour drive there and back got great LTE speeds the whole trip. I streamed Pandora and sometimes iTunes radio the whole trip.  

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Agreed, Pax. But having the cables and having to hookup everytime b/c of battery life is not convenient. But as u say, better than other options. The car manufacturers will put the screws to us for CarPlay-Apple's elegant solution

Well, it depends how you have it set up. My Proclip is set up with a permanent cable (pretty much completely hidden) which links directly to the radio. So I just drop the phone in the cradle as I step in (its just the default position by now). Invoke Siri and tell her what you want, and voila!   I have had the same system since the long gone iPod days and for me it is the only way until I get a car with CarPlay. The feature I appreciate above all is the charging cradle - I only ever need to charge my phone at weekends if I don't use the car.

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4. Premium for "nice things"? Try again. We buy the stuff that works more often, more reliably, with greater ease (I was a tech geek all my life and I've abandoned that stupid lifestyle and abandoned tech work because it's a never-ending dead end job and pointless and expensive lifestyle).

I hear ya!

However:
1. I'm being factitious
2. See #1 above

Think of it this way: CarPlay requires a screen and it competes with factory nav systems. Hyundai solves that by bundling it with their nav system, as redundant as it seems. If you want one, you have to buy everything.

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Uhhh... So? Many are already equipped with navigation, anyway. It would seem a little out of character to offer such a premium feature as CarPlay on a car with manually-operated windows!

 

Not so. I just bought a new top of the line Accord but was able to get it without navigation, which saved me $2000. Yet I still got Siri Eyes Free and all the other luxuries. This is a short-sighted choice by Hyundai that is going to lose them sales to other manufacturers.

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He DID when he was around. I want to see those drawings.

I doubt it's something we have seen/heard the last of. What with Apple's ever increasing expertise with battery technology, their work with plastics and laminates, their understanding of production, their bank balance, the fact they have a great designer and that the car market is massive...

 

...makes sense to me that they make an iCar.

 

Then a year later, Samsung will make a car with a massive windshield and then idiots will start wanting bigger and bigger windshields making the car look ridiculous.

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Not so. I just bought a new top of the line Accord but was able to get it without navigation, which saved me $2000. Yet I still got Siri Eyes Free and all the other luxuries. This is a short-sighted choice by Hyundai that is going to lose them sales to other manufacturers.

The "top of the line" Accord is the Touring model which is not available without navigation which means you are at least two models below the "top of the line". Assuming you got an EX-L V6, then there are two models above what you purchased - the Touring and the EX-L V6 with navigation. I have been a big fan of Honda and have purchased four of them in the last eight years - a Civic, and Accord, and two Ridgelines. However, Honda has been experiencing problems up top for a few years now and it's only going to get worse before it gets better. The "redundant-screen" setup in the Accord has been drawing criticism for usability and reliability. Honda has lost their mojo. Their transmissions, engines, quietness (or lack thereof), refinement, and fuel economy have all been outclassed by the competition - they're riding along on their reputation for reliability and resale value from years ago. Let us not forget such oddities as the "economic" Fit which gets WORSE gas mileage on the highway than the much heavier and more powerful Accord!

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