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Originally Posted by rob53 View Post
 

I already dropped Google for just about everything and after the email data mining revelation, I suggested dropping gmail to several family members and friends. Using Yahoo for search isn't that bad and I only occasionally use Google maps when something doesn't work in Apple Maps. I got rid of my gmail account months ago and am glad I did. gmail had all sorts of problems for me when managing email using Apple Mail (go ahead and say it way Apple Mail's fault, I don't care, I'm not going back). As for using Google for calculations, I just use the Calculator widget. It works fine for me. 

 

btw: @paxmantry this in Safari when Yahoo is your search engine. It works

 

 

 

 

 

I don't own Yahoo stock but do own Apple stock. 

 

Thanks for posting. I have been using Bing to stay away from Google and was missing those features. I had heard that Yahoo was using Bing as the backend, but didn't even consider they could have added this stuff on top of it. 

post #122 of 173
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PPS: I'm surprised a company, like Google, hasn't ever created a secure "portal" with Chrome so that all traffic goes through them but is encrypted on the local end. I'd use it for sites like this. I'd rather have Google reading my data for their analytics than some hacker on local WiFi hotspot looking to steal my identity.

 

With their "reduce data usage" option in the Chrome mobile browser they're getting pretty close to being able to offer such a thing.  It wouldn't take much to add that functionality (though there's no sign that it's planned).  There's also an added "bonus" that the traffic then comes from Google so ad blockers don't work on sites loaded in this manner.

post #123 of 173

Yahoo mail is, basically, buggered!

 

Had an email address with them since 1994 but I can't even use it now to send mail since the last "security overhaul". My address book has been hacked many times but that had nothing to do with passwords (it was a general breach) and that's better than the bloody thing being unusable. 

 

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Tech Support: Sorry that password has expired- you must register a new one.

Me: Did someone discover that password and hack my computer?

Tech Support: No, but your password has expired- you must get a new one.

Me: Why then do I need a new one as that one seems to be working pretty good?

Tech Support: Well, you must get a new one as they automatically expire every 30 days.

Me: Can I use the old one and just re-register it?

Tech Support: No, you must get a new one.

Me: I don't want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember.

Tech Support: Sorry, you must get a new one.

Me: OK, roses

Tech Support: Sorry you must use more letters.

Me: OK, pretty roses

Tech Support: No good, you must use at least one numerical character.

Me: OK, 1 pretty rose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use blank spaces.

Me: OK, 1prettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use additional characters.

Me: OK, 1fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use at least one capital letter.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use more than one capital letter in a row.

Me: OK, 1Fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as you must use additional letters.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon'tgivemeaccessrightfuckingnow

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as it is already being used

post #124 of 173
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Do you really think someone worth millions of dollars rents clothing?

Does he own his own bowling shoes as well?

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post

Aren't Bing and Yahoo the same search engine?

3 years ago Bing used Google's results. Don't know if that's still the case.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Yes-Bing-Has-Been-Copying-Google-Search-Results-2382015.php
http://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I'd rather have Google reading my data for their analytics than some hacker on local WiFi hotspot looking to steal my identity.

Whenever I'm in a hotel I don't access their WiFi on my iPhone. I do use my iPad for that. "Why Phil; both devices basically have the same info on them?" Well, I don't have much sensitive info on my iPad, but there's a boatload of that on my iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I just think the picture looks funny with "try again" at the bottom.

Funny that. So basically he's giving her the finger every time he unlocks his iPhone¿


Even more OT, sourced from Marvin:
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She's a legitimate dork anyway, check out the laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=soYKFWqVVzg#t=2092s

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post #125 of 173
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Originally Posted by DimMok View Post
 

Resurrect Sherlock Apple!

I have thought the same thing. Not so much the same Sherlock as long ago but a new reincarnation that could also be useful for app searches especially since the app store and iTunes suck at finding apps unless you already know the name. Siri is lonely and Sherlock would make a great companion for her for showing results. 

 

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post #126 of 173
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Originally Posted by deepkid View Post
 

Now why the hell would anyone trust her search engine after she picked that ugly, backwards logo? 0_o

Careful, she's friends with Jony Ive, he might have advised on that :)

post #127 of 173
Maybe the reality distortion field operates a lot on many here but, no, Yahoo and Bing search are still terrible compared to Google search.
I recently tried to look for a specific website with vague terms on the three search engines. Didn't find it on Yahoo, was on second page on Bing and was the second result on Google.
post #128 of 173
I just switched to Yahoo! to see how good it is. Did some searches and I like the results, more relevant to me than what Google serves.
post #129 of 173

Yahoo was the biggest for a long time before Google came along. If only they had had "Samsung Ethics" and had grabbed Google's technology straight away they could have stayed on top. But it's been so long now, surely Google's tricks must be known by the academic community and it is possible for Yahoo to get fairly close.

post #130 of 173

Bing is a decent search engine I think.

post #131 of 173

I'd really rather not have it changed to Yahoo! personally. First thing I heard about Yahoo! in years? How passwords had been compromised as they failed to patch Heartbleed in a timely manner.

 

Yahoo's prime time is long gone, I'd much rather stick with Google (even if I don't trust them), thanks.

Hell, I'd rather they went with Bing than Yahoo!, at least Bing are likely to be able to organise a p**s up in a brewery.

post #132 of 173
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

One thing I use a lot with Google is basic conversions '3972' usd to gbp', for instance, or '22 c to f', or whatever. I would miss the convenience of that.

Those are perfect tasks for Siri.
post #133 of 173
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Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as it is already being used

Funny joke with 1 major problem. You can have the same password as someone else and they would never tell you if someone else had the same password.

 

This woman is certainly better looking than the offering at Google. Not that that means anything but it seems to help.

post #134 of 173
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
 

They could do it but most people would switch back to Google. All it takes is one simple click in Safari settings so then Google would still get most iOS users but wouldn't have to pay Apple a billion a year. Not a good move

This is 100% positively without any doubt in anyone's mind...completely false. No one would have a frigging clue, except the 2% of users that might actually READ an article that says it switch to Yahoo.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how people who post on an Apple website think the majority of users think or act the way they do.

post #135 of 173
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Originally Posted by TheBMT View Post
 

I'd really rather not have it changed to Yahoo! personally. First thing I heard about Yahoo! in years? How passwords had been compromised as they failed to patch Heartbleed in a timely manner.

 

Yahoo's prime time is long gone, I'd much rather stick with Google (even if I don't trust them), thanks.

Hell, I'd rather they went with Bing than Yahoo!, at least Bing are likely to be able to organise a p**s up in a brewery.

???

 

Yahoo has the best Weather App on iOS, by far.

post #136 of 173
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

Maybe the reality distortion field operates a lot on many here but, no, Yahoo and Bing search are still terrible compared to Google search.

FUD. You're stuck in the past.

post #137 of 173
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
 

They could do it but most people would switch back to Google. All it takes is one simple click in Safari settings so then Google would still get most iOS users but wouldn't have to pay Apple a billion a year. Not a good move

What if Apple were to remove the ability to change the default search engine in iOS? They already don't allow the user to change default apps. Could they conceivably extend this policy to the search engine to prop up Yahoo?

post #138 of 173
For easy conversions there is also the dashboard conversion widget on OS X.
post #139 of 173

DuckDuckGo is the way to go.

post #140 of 173
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Originally Posted by nathanimal View Post

I must be losing my mind, I thought Bing was the default search for iOS. At least for Siri... Can someone offer some clarity here?

You're right and wrong. Bing is default for Siri; Google for Safari.
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post #141 of 173

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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

Troll. Apple has the highest retention and satisfaction rate. Bing it.


So anyone that disagrees with your is a troll? Do you even know what the word "troll" actually means?

 

What is your contention? That Apple actually has superior maps product? Or that others have better search engine than Google? Or perhaps that Apple users are too stupid to notice any difference?

I happen to use Apple products and also happen to care about all those things.

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post #142 of 173
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Originally Posted by enzos View Post

Yahoo mail is, basically, buggered!

Had an email address with them since 1994 but I can't even use it now to send mail since the last "security overhaul". My address book has been hacked many times but that had nothing to do with passwords (it was a general breach) and that's better than the bloody thing being unusable. 

--
Tech Support: Sorry that password has expired- you must register a new one.

Me: Did someone discover that password and hack my computer?

Tech Support: No, but your password has expired- you must get a new one.

Me: Why then do I need a new one as that one seems to be working pretty good?

Tech Support: Well, you must get a new one as they automatically expire every 30 days.

Me: Can I use the old one and just re-register it?

Tech Support: No, you must get a new one.

Me: I don't want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember.

Tech Support: Sorry, you must get a new one.

Me: OK, roses

Tech Support: Sorry you must use more letters.

Me: OK, pretty roses

Tech Support: No good, you must use at least one numerical character.

Me: OK, 1 pretty rose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use blank spaces.

Me: OK, 1prettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use additional characters.

Me: OK, 1fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use at least one capital letter.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use more than one capital letter in a row.

Me: OK, 1Fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as you must use additional letters.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon'tgivemeaccessrightfuckingnow

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as it is already being used
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???

Yahoo has the best Weather App on iOS, by far.

I love weather. I love weather apps. And Yahoo's is very pretty. But they're all inaccurate a lot of the time.
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post #143 of 173
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

What if Apple were to remove the ability to change the default search engine in iOS? They already don't allow the user to change default apps. Could they conceivably extend this policy to the search engine to prop up Yahoo?

Why not? You can't change the search engine for Siri.
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post #144 of 173

It was a smart move hiring an ex-Google person as CEO. The most important thing for Yahoo at this point in history is not to be intimidated by Google, and an ex-Googler probably wouldn't be.

post #145 of 173
This is so tyoical of people. If you want Yahoo to be your default then change the setting. Can we do anything for ourselves, or do we just want the government or some corporation to look out for our interests.
post #146 of 173
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

Maybe the reality distortion field operates a lot on many here but, no, Yahoo and Bing search are still terrible compared to Google search.
I recently tried to look for a specific website with vague terms on the three search engines. Didn't find it on Yahoo, was on second page on Bing and was the second result on Google.

Did you search for Google.com? 1smile.gif
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

What if Apple were to remove the ability to change the default search engine in iOS? They already don't allow the user to change default apps. Could they conceivably extend this policy to the search engine to prop up Yahoo?

Nope. Google will then "donate" to the DOJ and then suddenly the DOJ will investigate.
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Originally Posted by Mario View Post

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So anyone that disagrees with your is a troll? Do you even know what the word "troll" actually means?

What is your contention? That Apple actually has superior maps product? Or that others have better search engine than Google? Or perhaps that Apple users are too stupid to notice any difference?


I happen to use Apple products and also happen to care about all those things.
"If Safari becomes less useful as well, it's going to be third thing (maps, Siri, Safari) in iOS being second rate because Apple is having pointless feud with Google, and more reasons for users to switch away from what they already think is overpriced fashion toy."

This quote sums it up. It's contrary to the evidence. Siri is very useful. Safari as well w or w/o Google as default. Same with Maps.
post #147 of 173
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post
 

???

 

Yahoo has the best Weather App on iOS, by far.


Which is great, if you want to find what the weather is.

 

Providing weather forecasts and relevant search results are a completely different ball game, and I've always found Google's search results to be much better than Yahoo's.

 

Not to mention, I went to the Yahoo homepage and the first thing I saw? A huge full-screen flash ad. At least Google's ads are unobtrusive.


Edited by TheBMT - 4/17/14 at 8:54am
post #148 of 173
I've been using Bing in Safari for a month. I like it better than Google. Google, like YouTube, has become user unfriendly.
post #149 of 173

Funny I kinda dismissed yahoo and have been using google as the default for years... I just tried out yahoo for the heck of it (because of this article) and I actually think the results (especially for image search) are more useful than those given by google. I just changed my defaults :)

post #150 of 173
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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post
 

I'd do it. The less Google infests my iOS devices the better imo.


I switched to Bing and am happy. Same results as Google without benefiting the backstabbing Google.

post #151 of 173
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Originally Posted by ipsofacto View Post
 

DuckDuckGo is the way to go.

I'd love to be able to use DuckDuck Go, but it's way too limited in how results can be presented.  Main thing is not being able to determine a simple time frame is a dealkiller.  Just sorting by date isn't enough.  

 

At least I've never been able to figure out how to make it as useful as I want it, and if after going around all the options three times I can't find how that's enough to make me think it's not for me.

post #152 of 173
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post
 

This is 100% positively without any doubt in anyone's mind...completely false. No one would have a frigging clue, except the 2% of users that might actually READ an article that says it switch to Yahoo.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how people who post on an Apple website think the majority of users think or act the way they do.


People sure figured out pretty fast how to download Google maps when all the bad press started. We are not talking about some hard to find hidden setting buried deep in the bowels of the GUI so don't exaggerate. I just counted, 3 easy taps. Settings>Safari>search.  Normally people would never have a reason to ever go there but that is because Google is now the default. If the default is switched to Bing or Yahoo that would make huge news so there would likely even be TV stories about that change which would include instructions on changing it back. It amazes me that you think iPhone users are incapable of making 3 taps to switch back to Google which is a hell of a lot easier than setting up TouchID or even iCloud for that matter. No doubt some would not mind or care but those people likely never use search often. Funny how you think everyone besides you and a few enlightened AI readers are the only ones capable of changing a freaking setting. Aren't you the one guilty of assuming quite a lot about other iPhone users since you seem to be suggesting 98% of them are complete morons? 

 

No one has yet to explain the rationale for Apple to switch to a 3rd rate search option that doesn't even have their own algorithms for search. yahoo is simply a middleman for Bing so why wouldn't they simply go with Bing directly if they wanted to switch. I really do not get the anti-Google hate. Google is not the Hatfields and Apple is not the McCoys. Google and Apple actually have a pretty good and mutually beneficial search relationship. If they switch there better be a compelling reason because search is working pretty well at the moment. Do you honestly think Microsoft are any less of a threat or competitor to Apple than Google? 


Edited by gwmac - 4/17/14 at 9:18am

 

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post #153 of 173
Of course she does. And Apple would like to stop giving Google money.

They'd also like to stop giving Samsung money.

Apple does both of those things anyway, because buying goods and services from rivals is in the best long-term interest of their customers, when it means delivering the best results to Apple's customers.

If Apple starts consistently putting business rivalry ahead of customer experience, that will be a VERY bad sign. They do it occasionally now - some of Siri's limitations are caused by its use of Bing for default web search (sorry folks - Google's search is still the best).
post #154 of 173

No, it was Marissa's doing. Says so on her blog. She's clueless about typography but insisted on doing it herself anyway. 

She's sure easy on the optics but for what and the way she writes - and that hideous laugh - a bit of a nitwit. 

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So, tonight we unveiled the new Yahoo logo, concluding our 30 days of change.

We hadn’t updated our logo in 18 years.  Our brand, as represented by the logo, has been valued at as much as ~$10 billion dollars.  So, while it was time for a change, it’s not something we could do lightly.

On a personal level, I love brands, logos, color, design, and, most of all, Adobe Illustrator.  I think it’s one of the most incredible software packages ever made.  I’m not a pro, but I know enough to be dangerous :)

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post #155 of 173
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My principle memory of Geocities is that the sites were down most of the time.

I guess if Apple acquire them, Yahoo will be able to suckle on giant unicorn balls of fluff.

Yahoo7 gave it for free with your service. Don't know if was also served from Oz but I remember Geocities as very stable. 

post #156 of 173
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Originally Posted by enzos View Post
 

Yahoo mail is, basically, buggered!

 

Had an email address with them since 1994 but I can't even use it now to send mail since the last "security overhaul". My address book has been hacked many times but that had nothing to do with passwords (it was a general breach) and that's better than the bloody thing being unusable. 

 

--

Tech Support: Sorry that password has expired- you must register a new one.

Me: Did someone discover that password and hack my computer?

Tech Support: No, but your password has expired- you must get a new one.

Me: Why then do I need a new one as that one seems to be working pretty good?

Tech Support: Well, you must get a new one as they automatically expire every 30 days.

Me: Can I use the old one and just re-register it?

Tech Support: No, you must get a new one.

Me: I don't want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember.

Tech Support: Sorry, you must get a new one.

Me: OK, roses

Tech Support: Sorry you must use more letters.

Me: OK, pretty roses

Tech Support: No good, you must use at least one numerical character.

Me: OK, 1 pretty rose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use blank spaces.

Me: OK, 1prettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use additional characters.

Me: OK, 1fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you must use at least one capital letter.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use more than one capital letter in a row.

Me: OK, 1Fuckingprettyrose

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as you must use additional letters.

Me: OK, 1FUCKINGprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon'tgivemeaccessrightfuckingnow

Tech Support: Sorry, you cannot use that password as it is already being used

At least with Yahoo you get tech support. I've never been able to reach Google's tech support. Do they have any?

post #157 of 173
I made the move on all Apple devices some time ago. Would be a great move and one Apple should embrace. Why? No competitive overlap between the two companies. No brainer..
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Originally Posted by DaveN View Post

At least with Yahoo you get tech support. I've never been able to reach Google's tech support. Do they have any?


You never watched "The Internship"? 1biggrin.gif
http://www.google.com/contact/
...or if you need hlp with GMail for instance:
Tech Support - Call (US Toll Free) 1-800-875-1709.
email: www.techsupport247.us

or general tech help
Call USA 1-800-915-3608.
email: techhelpcenter.us/google

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post #159 of 173
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People sure figured out pretty fast how to download Google maps when all the bad press started. We are not talking about some hard to find hidden setting buried deep in the bowels of the GUI so don't exaggerate. I just counted, 3 easy taps. Settings>Safari>search.  Normally people would never have a reason to ever go there but that is because Google is now the default. If the default is switched to Bing or Yahoo that would make huge news so there would likely even be TV stories about that change which would include instructions on changing it back. It amazes me that you think iPhone users are incapable of making 3 taps to switch back to Google which is a hell of a lot easier than setting up TouchID or even iCloud for that matter. No doubt some would not mind or care but those people likely never use search often. Funny how you think everyone besides you and a few enlightened AI readers are the only ones capable of changing a freaking setting. Aren't you the one guilty of assuming quite a lot about other iPhone users since you seem to be suggesting 98% of them are complete morons? 

No one has yet to explain the rationale for Apple to switch to a 3rd rate search option that doesn't even have their own algorithms for search. yahoo is simply a middleman for Bing so why wouldn't they simply go with Bing directly if they wanted to switch. I really do not get the anti-Google hate. Google is not the Hatfields and Apple is not the McCoys. Google and Apple actually have a pretty good and mutually beneficial search relationship. If they switch there better be a compelling reason because search is working pretty well at the moment. Do you honestly think Microsoft are any less of a threat or competitor to Apple than Google? 

I don't think anyone said the avg Joe can't do it. It's that they don't care to change it.

You bring up Maps, what's the usage of Apple Maps compare to Google maps on iOS? I have both.
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I know: Apple should agree to make Yahoo the default for people that are working from home.

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