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The latest entry in a growing selection of Thunderbolt 2 capable storage solutions, G-Technology's G-SPEED Studio and G-RAID Studio RAID arrays incorporate high-capacity 6TB HDDs and ultra-fast I/O into small chassis designs.



First announced at the National Association of Broadcasters event earlier in April, G-Technology's Studio lineup promises to deliver fast, configurable RAID solutions for digital media professionals. The company claims its products use the highest capacity hard disks available, clocking in at up to 6TB.

The top-end G-SPEED Studio models boast four-bay enclosures with a built-in RAID controller and user-selectable RAID 0, 1, 5 and 10. With a fast RAID 0 striped volume, the G-SPEED can hit transfer rates of up to 660MB/s and support daisy-chaining via dual Thunderbolt 2 ports.

With enterprise-class hard drives, the lineup can be configured in capacities of up to 24TB, meaning certain RAID configurations can hold up to 30 hours of 4K footage in ProRes 4444. In addition, the hardware supports multi-streamed 2K and 4K video to workstations for editing

On the lower end of the price spectrum is the G-RAID Studio lineup, a two-bay enclosure configurable with 7,200 RPM HDDs in capacities up to a total of 12TB. RAID options include RAID 0, RAID 1 and JBOD, while Thunderbolt 2 takes care of transfer with rates up to 360MB/s.

According to G-Technology, the G-RAID Studio series is ideal for real-time editing of large photo files or multiple streams of compressed 2K and 4K video.

While the company announced a release date sometime in May, MacMall is currently taking preorders for select configurations shipping in mid-May.

In the G-SPEED Studio series, prices start at $2,199.95 for 12TB of storage, while a 16TB version comes in at $2,699.95 and the high-capacity 24TB array is priced at $3,599.95. From the G-RAID Studio series, the 6TB model can be ordered for $699.95, while the 8TB and 12TB versions come in at $849.95 and $1,299.95, respectively.
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24TB eh? That'll be handy for backing up the album you've got on your Pono player.
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It looks like they are going for a design that will match the new Mac Pro.

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It looks like they are going for a design that will match the new Mac Pro.

Really? Looks a bit like a shredder to me.
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Really? Looks a bit like a shredder to me.

 

A shredder? I beg to differ...

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It looks like they are going for a design that will match the new Mac Pro.

 

What amuses me about that is that this looks more like a trashcan than the mac pro due to the lid. Aesthetic design doesn't influence purchasing decisions for me. It doesn't surprise me that peripheral vendors would want their complementary devices to match the base device. I just found it amusing.

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Looks like a paper shredder & trash can in one. I like that. Need one of those.
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In the G-SPEED Studio series, prices start at $2,199.95 for 12TB of storage, while a 16TB version comes in at $2,699.95 and the high-capacity 24TB array is priced at $3,599.95.

 

This is why I settled for USB3 for my RAID. I can buy TWO 16TB USB3 LaCie units for what one of these costs.

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This is why I settled for USB3 for my RAID. I can buy TWO 16TB USB3 LaCie units for what one of these costs.

 

2x USB3 RAIDs running off the one bus on a new Mac Pro, unless you use a TB adapter, yeah? We opted for the Pegasus 2.

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This is why I settled for USB3 for my RAID. I can buy TWO 16TB USB3 LaCie units for what one of these costs.

This is what really gets to me about A.I. today, the discussion begins about some technology relevant to the Mac or iOS and within a few posts is subverted by some stupid comment about an inferior competing platform or technology, which then becomes the focus of discussion. For this poster, go buy your two USB3 drives, we don't care less, got it. (Invoking the LaCie name is dickie too.)

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This is why I settled for USB3 for my RAID. I can buy TWO 16TB USB3 LaCie units for what one of these costs.

 

There is also the option of Areca if you don't mind doing your own drive installation. It's not difficult to set up a raid. Just don't match inappropriate drives with anything that relies on parity to rebuild. My own results with support from some of the external drive oems hasn't been that great, so I mostly avoid them.

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This is what really gets to me about A.I. today, the discussion begins about some technology relevant to the Mac or iOS and within a few posts is subverted by some stupid comment about an inferior competing platform or technology, which then becomes the focus of discussion. For this poster, go buy your two USB3 drives, we don't care less, got it. (Invoking the LaCie name is dickie too.)

 

Well, Great Arbiter of all that is Discussable, the point was perfectly relevant to the article. The new G-Tech units are expensive. Perhaps inappropriately expensive. This is demonstrated by a comparison to "inferior" but comparable-for-task alternatives, as in "Is there enough value in TB2 to justify a doubling of cost?"

 

There was no reason for you to get bent out shape, and certainly no justification for you insulting me. I'm just gonna assume you were having a bad day.

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Late to the game. I just purchased an Areca 32TB thunderbolt Raid, its insanely fast. Not sure why G-Tech is only going for 24th
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Can you add SSD drives?

What's the price without any drives?

Their website doesn't work properly or I'd have these answers already.
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Can you add SSD drives?

What's the price without any drives?

Their website doesn't work properly or I'd have these answers already.

 

You can add SSD drives to anything that can fit 2.5" form factors, but it would be giant waste of money. I guess the one exception would be if they used proprietary firmware of some kind. Raids allow you to use multiple drives to increase bandwidth. It still hasn't caught up to the point where SSDs make sense there, and you still need a backup (SSDs can still die or suffer corruption). I don't know if they have any issues with certain raid types. For example I don't know how their error recovery works. I'm also fairly certain G-raids have never been supplied driveless.

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You can add SSD drives to anything that can fit 2.5" form factors, but it would be giant waste of money. I guess the one exception would be if they used proprietary firmware of some kind. Raids allow you to use multiple drives to increase bandwidth. It still hasn't caught up to the point where SSDs make sense there, and you still need a backup (SSDs can still die or suffer corruption). I don't know if they have any issues with certain raid types. For example I don't know how their error recovery works. I'm also fairly certain G-raids have never been supplied driveless.

Thanks for your reply.  I guess I was thinking of just using this as a simple drive with duplicate backup copy. (Raid 1 I guess)  

 

Right now I have 12 4TB OWC drives with a drive and backup copy of it for all my video work but I need to go to something better.  I suppose I need to research more...Thanks for any info!

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You can add SSD drives to anything that can fit 2.5" form factors, but it would be giant waste of money.

 

I don't understand. Why would it be a waste?

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I don't understand. Why would it be a waste?

 

A large raid can max out on bandwidth via the use of HDDs for less money. SSDs aren't a great improvement in reliability, but even fo the people who say they are, if you're going with a redundant Raid type, you gain some amount of fault tolerance for drive failure. It's just a dump of extra funds for lower overall capacity.

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This is why I settled for USB3 for my RAID. I can buy TWO 16TB USB3 LaCie units for what one of these costs.


While you can compare stand alone or even the LaCie BigDisks software RAIDs, it's not A to A as these as well as the Promise has an integrated RAID controller. Needs may not justify the cost difference to the average-joe but offloading cache, striping and rebuild is important to many. This seems like a marked improvement over G's previous RAID offerings.

If i did buy this, I would put it on the floor next to my paper shredder.
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these as well as the Promise has an integrated RAID controller. Needs may not justify the cost difference to the average-joe but offloading cache, striping and rebuild is important to many

 

I don't understand your point. Which of the features you list is missing from the much less expensive LaCie 4Big?

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I don't understand your point. Which of the features you list is missing from the much less expensive LaCie 4Big?


To start off, are you familiar with the difference between software and hardware based raid systems? There are further differences in that some controllers are far more robust than others.

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A large raid can max out on bandwidth via the use of HDDs 

 

Not with only 4 drives though. The buss can handle more data than 4 hard drives can deliver. Using faster drives will be an improvement so using SSDs would be better than spinning drives because they're faster.


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To start off, are you familiar with the difference between software and hardware based raid systems?

 

I'm not sure which units you're thinking about, but the LaCie 4Big units have hardware controllers on board.

 

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There are further differences in that some controllers are far more robust than others.

 

In what way? What advantages does one controller have over another? What benefit might one offer as compared to another? What might an inferior controller do more poorly than a good one?

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I'm not sure which units you're thinking about, but the LaCie 4Big units have hardware controllers on board.

I'm probably biased. My luck hasn't been very good with anything bearing the Lacie name. It's probably my memory of firewire drives with burnt out bridgeports. 

 

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In what way? What advantages does one controller have over another? What benefit might one offer as compared to another? What might an inferior controller do more poorly than a good one?

 

Unfortunately I don't have a good link for you on this one, but reliability does vary among raid systems, as does price. Some are more likely to recover in the case of a rebuild. Any decent hardware raid uses ECC ram, especially if it supports any raid type involving parity.

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Not with only 4 drives though. The buss can handle more data than 4 hard drives can deliver. Using faster drives will be an improvement so using SSDs would be better than spinning drives because they're faster.


That is a fair point, but there are also other thunderbolt raid solutions. I would probably go with an 8 bay and HDDs over 4 bay and SSDs under most circumstances, but that is me. Areca is nice, but the newest one is somewhat expensive. It went up by $300. 

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[...] I would probably go with an 8 bay and HDDs over 4 bay and SSDs under most circumstances

 

In retrospect I kinda wish I'd saved up enough scheckles for an 8-bay unit. Using RAID 10 with a 4-bay means I only get the speed of two drives.

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I don't understand your point. Which of the features you list is missing from the much less expensive LaCie 4Big?

I didn't look beyond the current shipping LaCie thunderbolt offerings. The comparison is a Thunderbolt 2 to the 245 MB/s USB 3.0 offering?
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Thanks for your reply.  I guess I was thinking of just using this as a simple drive with duplicate backup copy. (Raid 1 I guess)  

 

Right now I have 12 4TB OWC drives with a drive and backup copy of it for all my video work but I need to go to something better.  I suppose I need to research more...Thanks for any info!

I missed this before. I wanted to mention that Raid 1 is not exactly a backup. It provides some fault tolerance, but it doesn't negate the need for a real backup. There is still the possibility of corruption or failure to rebuild. Raid 3/5 variants are most sensitive to that because a single error can cause the rebuild to fail.

 

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In retrospect I kinda wish I'd saved up enough scheckles for an 8-bay unit. Using RAID 10 with a 4-bay means I only get the speed of two drives.


Yeah I get that, although you would think sequential reading would be faster.

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I didn't look beyond the current shipping LaCie thunderbolt offerings. The comparison is a Thunderbolt 2 to the 245 MB/s USB 3.0 offering?

 

Yes, the one in the link I provided... note the built-in controller, as already discussed earlier in the thread, and the POINT, which is not that USB3 is pound-for-pound equivalent to Thunderbolt, but that the cost difference is so great as to possibly be a deal-breaker. Obviously TB is better than USB3. The question I'm asking is whether it's worth twice as much for a 4-drive unit?

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Waiting for this model and several others to actually go on sale...

 

I have two WDC Thunderbolt drives but for some reason (they blame OSX) they won't spin down when ejected  Rather, you have to wait for the HD itself to spin down which can take 20-30 minutes...  The WDC USB drive I have spins down immediately.  They say it is an Apple problem with TB?

 

I didn't realise they weren't spinning down and blew four drives in a little over a year...

 

I had LaCies years ago and they ran super hot (I do live in a hot, humid area but recently keep my office controlled).  Otherwise, they worked well.  The new 2big TB2 looks interesting.

 

These G drives look the part for the nMP!

 

Would you guys recommend G or LaCie?  Dual drive, 4~6TB.


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I have two WDC Thunderbolt drives but for some reason (they blame OSX) they won't spin down when ejected  Rather, you have to wait for the HD itself to spin down which can take 20-30 minutes...  The WDC USB drive I have spins down immediately.  They say it is an Apple problem with TB?

I didn't realise they weren't spinning down and blew four drives in a little over a year...

If they are encrypted, they don't spin down for some reason but it could also be down to the drive models not responding properly to the eject. OS X should sleep the drive automatically after a certain amount of idle time though and you can set this yourself in the terminal:

sudo pmset -a disksleep 1

This sets the drive spin down to the lowest setting of 1 minute - in system prefs > energy saver, the checkbox to sleep the drives sets this but the default is 10 minutes I think. It doesn't always take a full minute with the above setting. You can then set it back up to a higher amount after eject to prevent the drives spinning down when they are attached or even 0.
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Would you guys recommend G or LaCie?  Dual drive, 4~6TB.

A few people have mentioned LaCie power supply failures. I've experienced 1 power supply failure with a LaCie and they can get hot as they tend to not use a fan. G-tech is owned by Western Digital. LaCie is owned by Seagate now.

There's only a handful left:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_hard_disk_manufacturers

You can get bad drives from any of them. Both G-tech and LaCie drives can be opened up for servicing and both are stylish enough. The g-tech ones look like they are designed to be used with the Mac Pro:



The Lacie ones are still silver.
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A few people have mentioned LaCie power supply failures. I've experienced 1 power supply failure with a LaCie

 

I've had two LaCie power supply failures. That's over a period of eight years or so, but then I've only owned eight LaCie drives in that time. I can't decide whether two failures in eight years is not bad, or if I should interpret it as a 25% failure rate.

 

When shopping for a RAID last year I asked LaCie why they insist on using those damn annoying line-lump AC adapters instead of a built-in power supply. Their response was that the power supply is the most common failure point and not having it built-in means users don't have to ship the whole unit in for repair. I followed up by suggesting that rather than focussing on how to make repairs easier they could concentrate on providing better power supplies. They didn't respond to that.

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Thanks as always, Marvin.

 

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