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Suck it Apple! Hopefully this gets thrown out and you'll have to go back to competing on merits alone.

A whole twenty posts and all anti apple.  Welcome Troll of the Day.

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I don't know. On the one hand I see what you mean, but on the other hand I'm deeply uneasy with being able to buy a 'license to sue', whether it's in the form of patents or copyrights.

 

If I was to buy a patent from Samsung and then immediately used it to sue Apple, how is that any different from a troll? If the entire reason behind my purchase is just so that I can sue someone with it, how does that make me different from a company who files for broad patents for the same reason?

The difference is that Apple and Microsoft and Sony and Erricson and Blackberry who are all part owners of rockstar actually use a lot of these patents.  A lot of Nortels (rockstars) patents are part of the 4G standard.  There used by android phones as well as windows phones and iPhones.  There valid patents and a lot of them are part of a standard (4G) that gets used every day.  And the owners are entitled to there royalties.  Remember that Google was part of the original Rockstar consortium and then backed out to try and bid for these same patents for themselves.  They lost.  The didn't have to back out and if they had not they would be part owners of these now.

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...and yet don't bring a single lawsuit using any of them against a tech neighbor. Odd for a company that supposedly bought them to go after their competitors don't you think?

Except through there motorola arm while they owned them.  Google even wrote public documents supporting Motorola's lawsuits against apple when they aquired them.  And that they would not change that litigation at all as a result of the merger.

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Perhaps you aren't reading enough. MM requested that ITC case be dropped just 6 weeks after it was filed.
There's not a single new lawsuit using MM IP in the works despite Motorola Mobility and/or Google having plenty of time to root thru those patents and find a few appropriate ones.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/02/googlemotorola-unilaterally-drop-itc-patent-infringement-case-against-apple/

Now if you look really hard you might stumble on the only patent infringement lawsuit Google has ever filed in the history of their company. Yup, there's only one and it's not against Apple, Microsoft, Nokia or any other competitor of theirs.

Except the push notification ban on all apples products in germany filed by motorola and supported by google that ban was in effect for over a year.  And Google approved.

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The difference is that Apple and Microsoft and Sony and Erricson and Blackberry who are all part owners of rockstar actually use a lot of these patents.  A lot of Nortels (rockstars) patents are part of the 4G standard.  There used by android phones as well as windows phones and iPhones.  There valid patents and a lot of them are part of a standard (4G) that gets used every day.  And the owners are entitled to there royalties.  Remember that Google was part of the original Rockstar consortium and then backed out to try and bid for these same patents for themselves.  They lost.  The didn't have to back out and if they had not they would be part owners of these now.

A couple of errors in your post.

Apple, Microsoft and the rest of the group have no ownership in the patents being used by Rockstar. They are supposedly simple investors in that company just like other PAE's, aka patent trolls like Intellectual Ventures, have investors. That's according to Rockstar's CEO.

Second, Google was never a part of Rockstar Bidco nor has there ever been a claim from any of the group that Google was ever invited to join them. You've confused Nortel with Norvell.
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post #46 of 55
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Except the push notification ban on all apples products in germany filed by motorola and supported by google that ban was in effect for over a year.  And Google approved.

ummm... okay. That wasn't a new lawsuit, decided before Google purchased MM. Even the injunction was already in place before the MM deal closed. It would have been a nice gesture for Google to request the injunction be dismissed after they bought Moto, but of course they didn't. Not sure any company would have but perhaps Lenovo will drop all the litigation now, depending of course on whether Apple will let their lawsuits die too.
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A couple of errors in your post.

Apple, Microsoft and the rest of the group have no ownership in the patents being used by Rockstar. They are supposedly simple investors in that company just like other PAE's, aka patent trolls like Intellectual Ventures, have investors. That's according to Rockstar's CEO.

Second, Google was never a part of Rockstar Bidco nor has there ever been a claim from any of the group that Google was ever invited to join them. You've confused Nortel with Norvell.

Tell that to Google and the judge who supported Google's arguments when moving the case from Rockstars home state to Apple's.
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Tell that to Google and the judge who supported Google's arguments when moving the case from Rockstars home state to Apple's.
I'm with you. I don't believe Rockstars CEO either.
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post #49 of 55
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I'm with you. I don't believe Rockstars CEO either.

 

Maybe Rockstar could sue for $Pi100 damages.

 

A google pi.

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Maybe Rockstar could sue for $Pi100 damages.

A google pi.
1biggrin.gif They'd probably have the same outcome as Google too.
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post #51 of 55
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Perhaps you aren't reading enough. MM requested that ITC case be dropped just 6 weeks after it was filed.
There's not a single new lawsuit using MM IP in the works despite Motorola Mobility and/or Google having plenty of time to root thru those patents and find a few appropriate ones.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/02/googlemotorola-unilaterally-drop-itc-patent-infringement-case-against-apple/

Now if you look really hard you might stumble on the only patent infringement lawsuit Google has ever filed in the history of their company. Yup, there's only one and it's not against Apple, Microsoft, Nokia or any other competitor of theirs.

They dropped the case because they discovered the IP they had acquired was a bust.

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They dropped the case because they discovered the IP they had acquired was a bust.

Sure they did. Patents have little value. Oh wait. . .
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152042/motorolas-seven-patent-itc-complaint-against-apple-detailed
Edited by Gatorguy - 4/19/14 at 7:13am
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Yup. Good to see you've decided to actually look for some background on the patent fight between Moto and Apple.
So you've found there's still some old "before Google" cases filed a few years back and still dragging along. Some still haven't even been heard yet. And still no new infringement claims since Google bought 'em.

Sure would be a nice gesture if both Moto (or Google) and Apple would just agree to drop it all, but probably won't happen. Perhaps Apple will be more agreeable to putting it all to bed when Lenovo actually takes over which should be pretty soon. I think I read they're going to leave MM as a separate subsidiary just as Google did tho so maybe they'll just let this old stuff play out instead. Hmmm . . .
Edited by Gatorguy - 4/19/14 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Bryan Tianao View Post

Why? Because Apple, Microsoft et al are not in the patent troll business.. At least didn't think they were, all evidence to the contrary these days.

 

Shut up and go away.

 

Originally Posted by DarkLite View Post
If all these 'shill' accusations were true, the entirety of the American tech industry would have been bankrupted by the costs of paying so many people.

 

Except we know for a fact that Samsung does this.

 

Originally Posted by Bryan Tianao View Post
Do you believe the over two hundred thousands approved software patents (in US alone) and many more hundreds of thousands of patents pending, are likely valid?

 

Yes. Now hush.

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