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Samsung recently inked a deal with Swiss Federal Railways, the same organization that accused Apple of copying one of its iconic clock designs, leading some to speculate that Samsung may have sought the contract solely to make a dig at Apple.

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Left: Apple's iOS 6 clock. Right: the clock design owned by SBB.


Earlier this month, Samsung revealed that it had reached a deal with Swiss Federal Railways to supply 30,000 phones and tablets to the organization also known as the SBB.

But back in 2012, after the debut of iOS 6, the same state-owned rail company had a public spat with Apple, in which the SBB accused the iPhone maker of stealing its iconic clock face design created in 1944 by Swiss engineer Hans Hilfiker. The clock remains the property of SBB, and is still used in the Swiss operation's train stations, and the clock design Apple had used in iOS 6 bore a striking resemblance.

Apple eventually paid $21 million to the SBB in late 2012 to license the clock design. And it's because of that dispute and subsequent payment that Bloomberg suggested this week that Samsung's new deal with the SBB was a way for the South Korean electronics maker to "stick it" to Apple.

Adding to their suspicion is the fact that Samsung made the announcement just as the company's highly publicized patent infringement trial with Apple is getting underway. Neither Samsung nor Apple would comment on the matter, but a spokesperson for Swiss Railways told Bloomberg that Samsung made the best offer.

The SBB plans to use the Samsung Galaxy lineup of tablets and phones for employee communications, ticket purchasing and other services as part of the contract.
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Ahh - as far as "sticking it" to Apple, I think this is kind of a weak effort. Making a better phone than Apple without copying their tech would be much more effective.

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I haven't travelled on any Swiss Railways yet, but it's only natural to conclude that customers from now on will experience more delays, interrupted service and maybe even a few derailments, since saving a few pennies is their main priority.

 

I can understand certain people choosing Samsung, such as people on welfare, and people who don't have bank accounts, but there is no excuse for any business to be choosing Samsung. That tells me all that I need to know about that business. 

 

It's like when I walk into a restaurant, I expect them to serve coke, as in coca cola, the real deal. I don't care if they made some deal with Pepsi that saved them money and they don't serve coke. I won't be coming back to that restaurant. 

 

It's the same thing with tablets, I expect to only see iPads, the real deal. I don't care if they got some cheap junk from Samsung instead. They won't be getting my business.


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Eayyy! I gotchr' rounded corners right here! Eayyyy...
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Swiss Federal Railways RIP!

 

 

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post #6 of 74

How is this sticking it to Apple? Sounds more like they are sticking it to SBB. Or simply put, that SBB is getting what they pay for.

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Let's see the offer! Let's see how much money Samsung is making on the deal, or if this deal is just being folded into their $13 Billion advertising budget.

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God the determination to find Samsung doing something nefarious to Apple has got pathetic.

 

The story here is that Samsung have signed a contract with a large organization to provide some IT equipment.  That's what electronics companies do.

post #9 of 74
Sounds like the Swiss clocks will be extra large. In fairness, the SFR probably do need paperweights.
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The iPhone's looks better! i don't understand why Apple wasted time on this? Swiss clock is a dying company anyway 

 

 

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post #11 of 74
A mosquito bite from Samsung, just slap it away. Let's patiently watch and hear from the folks at Swiss Federal Railways; tell us how great Samsung is by texting, emailing, tweeting or calling using an Apple Device.

It's inevitable.
post #12 of 74
I like the Dutch railway clock better, and it's more precise:

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post #13 of 74
The press is making up some imaginary "dig at Apple."

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post #14 of 74
Stick it to Apple? I'm sure there's an even lower-profile way to do so, but this one would still be a poor choice for thumbing their nose. Who even knows the back-story with Apple and SBB? A few readers of Apple tech forums. Big deal.

If there was any "sticking it to Apple" going on I'd think it was more likely SBB perhaps not entirely pleased with their previous Apple negotiations.
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post #15 of 74
It's nice artistically (and Apple did steal it should indeed have paid) but Apple doesn't use it anymore.The iOS 7 clock design is more usable to me, without the weird second hand.

And I really don't think Samsung decided to accept the deal to "stick it to Apple." Why would they have walked away from a sale otherwise? If they found a customer willing to buy, then that's that.

As for the timing, that involves two parties. I seriously doubt Samsung would mess with negotiations to say "can we do this later when it will make a big public PR splash concerning our case with Apple?"... especially since it makes no such PR splash at all.
post #16 of 74
I get this feeling like Samsung's goal is to get under the skin of Apple executives and Apple fans, and it sure seems to be working. I'd love it if Apple fan sites would ignore Samsung rather than give it the attention it's looking for.
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I like the Dutch railway clock better, and it's more precise:

 

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Don't shoot me for it but i find this more usefull

 

 

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Don't shoot me for it but i find this more usefull

Of course I won't. But I'm I'm nostalgic, and like old design.
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post #19 of 74

Even if it cost 5% more on devices, Apple must dump Samsung at all cost, it's not funny anymore. In short Apple must treat their competition as competition no more support or help. That also includes Google and Amazon.

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I haven't travelled on any Swiss Railways yet, but it's only natural to conclude that customers from now on will experience more delays, interrupted service and maybe even a few derailments....
How so?
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How so?

 

The derailments thing is only hyperbole, but I wouldnt be shocked to see them having some problems stemming from the usage of Android. We all know that Android is the least secure OS out there, with plenty of malware and viruses going around.

 

Would I want to buy a ticket and give my personal info and card info to some clueless person entering that info on their Android device? I think not.

post #22 of 74
It's so funny to see how you guys try and spin everything. Over on other site they have a much different point of view including how they word the headlines.

Apple Ripped Off This Clock Design For The iPad And Now The Owners Have Given A Huge Contract To Samsung http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-swiss-clock-design-and-swiss-samsung-contract-2014-4
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Possibly the most desperate attempt to generate news I've seen in years.

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Ahh - as far as "sticking it" to Apple, I think this is kind of a weak effort. Making a better phone than Apple without copying their tech would be much more effective.

 

Agreed.  Not sure what point this would make to Apple.  It's not like they're taking away any real significant revenue.  I'm sure this was met with a mild yawn in Cupertino.

post #25 of 74
Just get rid of the stupid red dot on the second hand and it looks like every grade school clock i ever saw, problem soved..
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Spiteful little shits.

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Swiss Federal Railways,  30,000 Sammy devices, Good Luck with that !

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The derailments thing is only hyperbole, but I wouldnt be shocked to see them having some problems stemming from the usage of Android. We all know that Android is the least secure OS out there, with plenty of malware and viruses going around.

Would I want to buy a ticket and give my personal info and card info to some clueless person entering that info on their Android device? I think not.
Good points
post #29 of 74
Samsung cannot stop being silly.
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You sure you don't have the photos swapped? Pretty sure a real clock is on the left and the digital copy on the right.
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A couple of years old.

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I can now easily locate 30,000 swedes pining away for an iphone
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It's so funny to see how you guys try and spin everything. Over on other site they have a much different point of view including how they word the headlines.

Apple Ripped Off This Clock Design For The iPad And Now The Owners Have Given A Huge Contract To Samsung http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-swiss-clock-design-and-swiss-samsung-contract-2014-4

It's BI. They write BS.
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I can now easily locate 30,000 swedes pining away for an iphone

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Possibly the most desperate attempt to generate news I've seen in years.

 

You posted that too soon.  Right after this gem came the story about how Apple Maps trumps Google Maps because of a satellite image containing the Loch Ness Monster.  At least with this story there's actually a sliver of relevance to reality.

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post #35 of 74
This is hilarious and classic Asian gamesmanship.

The North Korean guards in the DMZ pull crap like this all the time to try and one-up American soldiers. The funny thing is, Koreans (North or South) think stuff like this is clever or means anything at all. Given the timing of this (with the current Apple-Samsung court case) and Samsing's pathetic new Web marketing pages touting its (really Apple's) "design" and "innovation," I chuckle at this and assume Samsung paid the Swiss to get this deal and rub it in the noses of Apple executives.

Korea is a country that emulates EVERYTHING about American culture in an all too transparent attempt to appear modern. I'm sure it means something to other Asians, but to most westerners, no amount of advertising telling us Samsung is a company of innovative and clever inventors will alter the reality that it sells derivative smartphones and tablet computers patterned after Apple's iPhone and IPad.

It doesn't change the facts. Samsung has a long history of copying other company's products %u2014 Sony, Motorola, Apple and most recently, Dyson.
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100% fabricated controversy / clickbait
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Stick it to Apple? I'm sure there's an even lower-profile way to do so, but this one would still be a poor choice for thumbing their nose. Who even knows the back-story with Apple and SBB? A few readers of Apple tech forums. Big deal.

If there was any "sticking it to Apple" going on I'd think it was more likely SBB perhaps not entirely pleased with their previous Apple negotiations.

Exactly. It's a reach. Samsung would dig in TV commercials. More eyeballs for the win.

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Don't shoot me for it but i find this more usefull

 

There's a place for digital and a place for analog.  For "roughly what time is it" at a glace a good old fashioned clock face is more efficient.  When I'm looking to see if I'm going to catch my train every day, looking at my analog watch (which, no joke is a licensed Swiss Rail watch with the red-ball second hand) provides me better information than the digital time.

 

I'm glad that Apple made good with licensing the design from the Swiss Rail folks (although the specific sum was never confirmed and was probably not 20-some million dollars) and I was disappointed to see them dump it in iOS7.

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The iPhone's looks better! i don't understand why Apple wasted time on this? Swiss clock is a dying company anyway

 

First, the two pictures are a lousy way to compare the two designs given that the quality of the images isn't comparable.  Second, the one that purports to be the "real" one isn't accurate (the ball is too large and the color is wrong).  Third, "Swiss clock" isn't a company.  Fourth, the Swiss clock industry (that has nothing to do with this issue at all) is doing just fine.

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Even if it cost 5% more on devices, Apple must dump Samsung at all cost, it's not funny anymore.

What if it's not possible at any price right now?

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