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post #241 of 255
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What most irritating is when someone posts a comment and doesn't state anything specific, some other viewpoint with examples and proof, etc.

 

To just say "this screams propaganda" and nothing else, just seems like propaganda from other bias perspective towards another platform.  I think maybe Brandon is trying to promote Samsung, Android, etc. without just coming forth and telling everyone he doesn't like Apple.  At we'll know where he's coming from.  At least that's my viewpoint based on the comment that he made thinking that an editorial piece is propaganda, when it's just someone's opinion/viewpoint based on observations and market research from reputable organizations.

I blocked Mr. "this screams propaganda" as a troll the first day he came on this site.  He is irrelevant.  Just another person who comes to a pro Apple site and spews anti apple rhetoric  because of an innate need to make himself feel good by putting others down for there choices and to get a rise out of people who are here to read about all things Apple.  I can honestly say that I don't frequent Android sites and call people who use android stupid and ridicule there choices on what they use.   What a complete and utter waste of time.

Edit:  Removed insulting name.


Edited by Mechanic - 4/21/14 at 6:28pm
post #242 of 255
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I blocked Mr. "this screams propaganda" as a troll the first day he came on this site.  He is irrelevant.  Just another moron who comes to a pro Apple site and spews anti apple rhetoric  because of an innate need to make himself feel good by putting others down for there choices and to get a rise out of people who are here to read about all things Apple.  I can honestly say that I don't frequent Android sites and call people who use android stupid and ridicule there choices on what they use.   What a complete and utter waste of time.  

So im a troll because my opinion is different. The first person to replied to me pointed out that it was a editorial, and i said "Sorry for my ignorance" 

post #243 of 255
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So im a troll because my opinion is different. The first person to replied to me pointed out that it was a editorial, and i said "Sorry for my ignorance" 

No its  not because because your opinion is different, I have no problem with that, its that almost all of your posts are abrasive and anti apple on a pro apple website.  I removed the insulting name from my previous post as that was not right but my opinion still stands that it is a waste of time to post anti apple comments on a pro apple website.  I can't speak for you but I would never waste my time doing that to an android website and I would be ridiculed there if I did.  

post #244 of 255
But Apple has hundreds of billions in cash. Of course Apple could sell their products at lower prices. Sure that would mean lower profit margins - which would probably lead to the point where they might have only tens of billions in cash rather than a few hundred billion, or thereabouts, or perhaps not, given the elasticity of market response to lower iPhone prices. But given their financials, Apple has a LOT of room to offer their products at lower prices.

They've just spent how many billions? in buying back their own stock. It did this because that was determined as a better 'investment' than putting the money into other developments, perhaps even outside the computing sphere. This did smack somewhat of a lack of imagination, especially in the light of Google's myriad developments.

It's interesting that Apple hasn't invested in developing market share through lower prices. Financially, they are certainly in a position to do so. When you examine Apple's enormous spend on advertising rather than 'spending' on lower margins, Apple seems to choose the advertising route to maintain the notion of premium product. But when three people are using Facebook on an Android, Windows and iPhone, there is no difference, or at least no significant difference. Yes, I know the build quality, the build quality!

I suppose the Aspirational Buy element for their products has always been a part of 'Apple's DNA'. Who knows whether it will be a sustainable one? It certainly wasn't as Apple approached the precipice in the stumbling faltering days before charismatic Steve Jobs' return.
post #245 of 255
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Everyone should take a look at this article by Andy Hertzfeld from the original Macintosh team:

 

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Price_Fight.txt

 

In this article he recounts how Steve Jobs wanted the Mac to be affordable for everyone, and felt betrayed by John Sculley's idea to raise the price significantly.  There was even a scene of this in the Jobs movie with Ashton Kutcher.

 

Back then, Steve had little choice but to go along with the price increase.  But when Steve came back to Apple, he had all the power to do what he believed in.  Instead of doing something about it, he ended up defending Apple's premium prices, as if he believed in it all along.

 

So all the Apple fans who vilify Sculley now owe him a debt of gratitude for having the wisdom and vision to sell Macs with premium pricing.  I guess even Steve came around to Sculley's vision, so he also owes Sculley.

 

Good luck to Sculley collecting ¡

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So all the Apple fans who vilify Sculley now owe him a debt of gratitude for having the wisdom and vision to sell Macs with premium pricing.  I guess even Steve came around to Sculley's vision, so he also owes Sculley.

Your premise assumes that the original Macintosh sold well. It didn't. Jobs was envisioning numbers like he got with the original iMac or possibly even the iPhone. Those were lower priced and designed for and aimed at the masses so they were hits. The original Mac was a great PC that contained many innovations that were copied. But it was never a mass market PC the way that Apple 2 was or iMac. Sculley was a boob.

post #247 of 255

Cheap is not always cheap though how durable is a note for a price of $700 among other cheap androids, people needs to wake up from being tricked and wasting their money after switching to Mac and iPhones there is no turning back and am waiting for the debut of the iPhone 6, Go Apple

post #248 of 255
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
 

So all the Apple fans who vilify Sculley now owe him a debt of gratitude for having the wisdom and vision to sell Macs with premium pricing.  I guess even Steve came around to Sculley's vision, so he also owes Sculley.

Your premise assumes that the original Macintosh sold well. It didn't. Jobs was envisioning numbers like he got with the original iMac or possibly even the iPhone. Those were lower priced and designed for and aimed at the masses so they were hits. The original Mac was a great PC that contained many innovations that were copied. But it was never a mass market PC the way that Apple 2 was or iMac. Sculley was a boob.

 

I think your comment should have  @Haggar. I never said (nor do I believe) Sculley was right. I made a sarcastic remark ( denoted on this board by: ¡ ). Though possibly in poor taste re: Steve Job's passing It was never my intention to acquiesce to Sculley's position.

post #249 of 255
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I think your comment should have  @Haggar. I never said (nor do I believe) Sculley was right. I made a sarcastic remark ( denoted on this board by: ¡ ). Though possibly in poor taste re: Steve Job's passing It was never my intention to acquiesce to Sculley's position.

Huh? Look above your response. I don't see you anywhere. I only see me responding to @Haggar.

post #250 of 255
Wow. What a refreshing and logical article. As most anybody in the consumer electronics industry knows, nobody wants to be in a race to the bottom, but almost everybody is. Many Japanese and now Korean companies have always gone through a market share to profits to market share cycle over and over again. They place a huge emphasis on share because it is a matter of pride. Then when the losses become unsustainable they will trade share to try and become more profitable. Many don't succeed. If they do, they again try to grow share at almost any cost.

I'll take a company that is profitable, invests in R&D and understands its customers any day.
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No, because they didn’t.

Wikipedia must be lying. I also remember this and the reaction on it very clearly. I must also be lying then.

Rewriting history is attempted many times; the real story is that Apple made a mistake and corrected it before it was a real problem.

 

Read Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone#cite_note-sept5iPhonePressRelease-62 ):

Price drop outcry[edit]

On September 5, 2007, the 4GB model was discontinued, and the 8GB model price was cut by a third.[62] Those who had purchased an iPhone in the 14-day period before the September 5, 2007 announcement were eligible for a US $200 "price protection" rebate from Apple or AT&T. However, it was widely reported that some who bought between the June 29, 2007 launch and the August 22, 2007 price protection kick-in date complained that this was a larger-than-normal price drop for such a relatively short period and accused Apple of unfair pricing.[63][64]

In response to customer complaints, on September 6, 2007, Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrote in an open letter to iPhone customers that everyone who purchased an iPhone at the higher price "and who is not receiving a rebate or other consideration", would receive a US$100 credit to be redeemed towards the purchase of any product sold in Apple's retail or online stores.[65]


Edited by knowitall - 4/28/14 at 8:45am
post #252 of 255
Originally Posted by knowitall View Post
Wikipedia must be lying.

 

Given that they’re known for it… 

 
I also remember this and the reaction on it very clearly. 

 

If you can show the page on Wikipedia where anyone other than Steve Ballmer says that, specifically anyone at Apple, feel free to do so.

 
Read Wikipedia.

 

Gets a laugh every time.

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post #253 of 255

Since the original letter from Steve isn't being hosted on the Apple website any more, here's  the transcript in full: 

 

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"First, I am sure that we are making the correct decision to lower the price of the 8GB iPhone from $599 to $399, and that now is the right time to do it. iPhone is a breakthrough product, and we have the chance to 'go for it' this holiday season. iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it will be affordable by even more customers. It benefits both Apple and every iPhone user to get as many new customers as possible in the iPhone 'tent'. We strongly believe the $399 price will help us do just that this holiday season.

 

"Second, being in technology for 30 years I can attest to the fact that the technology road is bumpy. There is always change and improvement, and there is always someone who bought a product before a particular cutoff date and misses the new price or the new operating system or the new whatever. This is life in the technology lane. If you always wait for the next price cut or to buy the new improved model, you'll never buy any technology product because there is always something better and less expensive on the horizon. The good news is that if you buy products from companies that support them well, like Apple tries to do, you will receive years of useful and satisfying service from them even as newer models are introduced."

From http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/steve-jobs-posts-open-letter-to-iphone-customers-re-price-drop-offers-100-credit/

 

 

It's not a direct admission that the iPhone was priced too high, though I can't think of many products that get their price slashed by 33% after two months that you wouldn't say that about.

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post #254 of 255
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Since the original letter from Steve isn't being hosted on the Apple website any more, here's  the transcript in full: 

From http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/steve-jobs-posts-open-letter-to-iphone-customers-re-price-drop-offers-100-credit/


It's not a direct admission that the iPhone was priced too high, though I can't think of many products that get their price slashed by 33% after two months that you wouldn't say that about.

I think it is, Apple (Steve) is trying way to much to make it sound reasonable, the 100 dollar rebate issued later on is a testimony that Apple thinks that too, Apple never ever gives money away unless it absolutely has to.
post #255 of 255
I know Apple makes a very good product man i miss my Iphone and my apple computer but honestly I owned and was able to affoerd apples fine products B.M.A.K-before marriage and kids I have a house note buying the hone dont u know I agree I stuck using low end samsung products and they suck. Dnt get me wrong im not really complaining i just miss apple u should all be proud of ur devices remember u are not snobbish u just know u have the besr device on the market.So in conclusion i agree with the author the comp. has been trying to play catch up with apple for 20 years they wont make it so i say even though im stuck using agg crappy samsung galaxy phone for right now darnet hear my words I will own an Apple tower computer and an Iphone they are worth the price simply cause Apple knows what the masses want we want quality not cheap quanity if any of u lovely peole would love to donate ur old iphone i would be so ever thankfull.P,S im just joking i will get my own blessings to all i just thought u might want the view point of a person who is stuck using this android junk
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