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Apple has become painfully predictable and stuck in slow motion innovation-wise. The media and Wall Street are correct! Tim Cook has put Apple in position where Cupertino now needs to prove it still possesses "fire in its belly". 

 

​My radar leads me to conclude the iWatch is imminent. That may move the needle! A larger iPhone will plug the dyke but I think it's too late to be significant because everyone expects it. By making Apple TV a hobby for way too long I fear Apple has blown that opportunity too! There are people in denial here but the fact remains, compared to what Apple was in 2007-2011, the company is a bloody mess.  

post #42 of 129

Testing Wall Street's patience and resolve?  Seriously?  The same Wall Street that tanked Apple's stock after record-breaking results last year?  Wall Street is testing MY patience and resolve!

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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

Apple has become painfully predictable and stuck in slow motion
 innovation-wise. The media and Wall Street are correct! Tim Cook has 
put 
Apple in position where Cupertino now needs to prove it still
 possesses
 "fire in its belly
". 


​My radar leads me to conclude the iW
atch is 
imminent. That may move the needle! A larger iPhone will plug the dyke but I think it's too late to be 
significant because
 
everyone expects it. By 
making Apple TV a hobby for way too long I fear Apple has blown that opportunity too! There are people in denial here but the fact remains, compared to what Apple was in 2007-2011, the company is a bloody mess.  
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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

Apple has become painfully predictable and stuck in slow motion
 innovation-wise. The media and Wall Street are correct! Tim Cook has 
put 
Apple in position where Cupertino now needs to prove it still
 possesses
 "fire in its belly
". 


​My radar leads me to conclude the iW
atch is 
imminent. That may move the needle! A larger iPhone will plug the dyke but I think it's too late to be 
significant because
 
everyone expects it. By 
making Apple TV a hobby for way too long I fear Apple has blown that opportunity too! There are people in denial here but the fact remains, compared to what Apple was in 2007-2011, the company is a bloody mess.  
Apple is a bloody mess? Hyperbole much? Apple in 1996 was a bloody mess. Apple in 2014 is nothing of the sort.
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Apple need to de-list, become a private company again and do what they do best.  Make great products that people want and make a shed load of money doing so.
And you think the analysts are the ones spouting pointless opinions? Apple delisting and becoming private is not going to happen; from Apple's perspective it's impossible. It could only be an option if a vastly wealthy consortium of rich people or funds got involved. If you can imagine such a scenario occurring and the result being in Apple's best interest (vastly rich people/funds taking over companies rarely is) then you have a much wilder imagination than I do.

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I feel the same way. Their last major product was the ipad.
Everything else is just spec bumps. Don't get wrong, I love my apple stuff n I'm a very happy customer, I just wish they would get involved with other stuff n make them better.

That's exactly how I feel. Hopefully with the new iPhones, iwatch, Apple TV set box ect, excitement picks up...
post #46 of 129
I wish the stock market would devalue apple, drop the share price to record lows. That would be a dream come true. But it'll never happen, cause they know apple will come in and scoop up all the shares, and never have to listen to them again, and not share their profits. I wonder if the share price will drop enough in the near future for apple to buy another big chunk back?
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I feel the same way. Their last major product was the ipad. Everything else is just spec bumps. Don't get wrong, I love my apple stuff n I'm a very happy customer, I just wish they would get involved with other stuff n make them better.

 

Like what? Watches? TVs? Cars? Airplanes? What exactly? You don’t know do you. All you know is they’ve got to do something, anything, right? Just pick something and do it because Steve is dead?

 

FYI the wearables market is proving to be non existent. Lots of hype but the public isn’t buying. Google is buying everything in sight, robots, drones, self driving cars but what have they actually DONE? Nothing. Chromecast a game changer? Nope. Google TV defining a new paradigm? Nope. Chrome OS and Chromebooks taking over? Nope. 

 

The iPod was released in 2001. SIX YEARS LATER came the iPhone. SIX YEARS! Apple did nothing then either except bring out newer iPod models and updated Macs. Not a single mind bending, world changing product until the iPhone. And THREE YEARS later came the iPad. 

 

But Steve was alive then so it was okay, right?

post #48 of 129
Investors do not care less about Apple products. They just care about figures, charts, and graphs and market share. Just look at Google and Facebook? One has 'products' in perpetual beta, and the other one, well has not much to show for itself. No-one cares that both platforms are getting worse with every passing year and that will look like dinosaurs in not too long a time -- like what happened to Yahoo, MySpace, and others -- because they do not understand anything about products.

In fact, it seems that all these analysts are always late to the party when something truly great cones along. They dismissed the iPod, ignored iTunes, smiled at the iPhone, and were unconvinced by the iPad. No clue, no idea, no imagination, and no morals.
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For most of the assembledom here, Apple doesn't really care about the stock price or what Wall Street thinks, witness comments Tim Cook made recently at the stockholder's meeting "We do a lot of things for reasons besides profit motive," he told the group. "We want to leave the world better than we found it." What he said isn't the point of the quote so please don't pedantically arguer the validity of it. I am just using this as an example of the Apple management team's outright disdain of company outsiders and their desire for Apple to cowtow to Wallstreet's very shortsighted investment theories/strategies/ideas.

@ nkhm - Taking Apple private might be a theoretically good idea (I caution *might*) but at Apple's overall valuation it would be practically impossible, so discussing it is a non-starter in circles where people actually want to discuss things rationally.

@ajbdtc826 - cars have been in existence for approximately 128 years, and for the last 20 years or so, there have been no really big breakthroughs (discounting Elon Musk's work for now), do you want car manufacturers to move on to the next big thing, and if so, what would you suggest. Iterative improvements and refinements have worked in many industries for centuries; Apple have been here for approximately 38 years, and look where their iterative improvements have taken us. Don't let the idea of the mythical perfect/utopian device (that of all the tech sector entities, Apple is most likely to create) get in the way of enjoying the nearly perfect stuff they are currently crafting/producing/selling.
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post #50 of 129
Investors analysts have been the least useful community for sustaining a successful company. The Apple P/E represents the utter lack of sense and especially long term thinking for Apple.
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The stock market is a zero-sum game, just like poker.  

Utter nonsense.

 

Tell that to the millions who have built and owned houses, sent their kids to college, taken vacations, retired well, and paid for their health care from investing -- and staying the course for the long haul -- in the stock market.

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Apple is a bloody mess? Hyperbole much? Apple in 1996 was a bloody mess. Apple in 2014 is nothing of the sort.

AAPL

Sept 2011 - $700

April 2014 - $526

 

Apple's value is in an extended state of atrophy in an otherwise booming economy. Yes, I'd say that's a bloody mess!

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Apple has become painfully predictable and stuck in slow motion innovation-wise. The media and Wall Street are correct! Tim Cook has put Apple in position where Cupertino now needs to prove it still possesses "fire in its belly". 

 

​My radar leads me to conclude the iWatch is imminent. That may move the needle! A larger iPhone will plug the dyke but I think it's too late to be significant because everyone expects it. By making Apple TV a hobby for way too long I fear Apple has blown that opportunity too! There are people in denial here but the fact remains, compared to what Apple was in 2007-2011, the company is a bloody mess.  

Apple, to me, has been predictable for a long time, until they announce something completely unexpected.  Sometimes they pull some surprises, but they STILL have a long ways to go in the smartphone arena, especially with 64 bit, and larger screen models as they lost a lot of business to Android, but they can capture quite a bit of it back, it'll just take a couple of years and they really need the production levels to be there in order to achieve decent growth.

 

IPads is kind of the same thing, but not as bad.  They have other things to consider.

 

IPods (and all other devices), i really think going 24 Bit audio will help kick start some growth instead of declining.  Apple just has to figure out how to make it more affordable, which they can if they can price AAC 24 bit albums/songs less than everyone else.

 

They still have that whole in the MacMini to MacPro headless unit, I still think a LOT of Windows users would switch if there was something in that price range.  A lot of PC users simply don't want AIO units, only a small percentage do.

 

The MacBookAir does need higher resolution screens and I think as 12 inch unit might be useful.  Maybe a 14 or 15 inch version as well????

 

I still think something is going to happen with that sensor company they bought and it would be interesting and a new market if they did make SmartTVs.  I think a lot people would buy them, they just have to figure out how to do it where people would upgrade the guts inside every so many years , OR they simply have to kick out some AppleTV boxes that would make that market explode into s larger market for them.   I think that area is an interesting one and that could be some potential growth.  I think it would be cool to have a nice Apple TV with built in sensors and then something the  size of an iPad Mini (without screen and battery) that you slide in/out to upgrade functionality every year or so when a new upgrade becomes available.   I think that might work.


I don't know how much money Apple plans on making from the Auto industry with iOS in the car.  They haven't added a pie slice to the chart yet, maybe the next earnings call they might address that.

 

It's still unknown how many MacPros they are actually selling, but they are still 4-5 weeks backlogged.  I think Apple needs to spend more money in marketing OS X, they always advertise iPhones, iPads, and iPods over the last 7 years or so, but not that much in the desktop/laptop market, which they SHOULD do.

 

Someone mentioned not too long ago that Apple was planning on some big buyout of some sort worth in the billions, but I'm trying to figure out who would be the best play in that area and if it's going to happen.

 

The iWatch wearables is eminent but I don't think it's going to be a HUGE percentage of future sales/profits to make a big difference.  I see it more in the area of accessories.  Do you think a lot of people are going to spend more than $300 on a iWatch?  And how many would they sell if it gets too expensive?  Tough call.

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And, you know this how?

I have good friends at apple

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Are you able to say if this is a hardware or software product?

Hardware, though I assume there's software to go with it, but my sources are hardware.

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Utter nonsense.

 

Tell that to the millions who have built and owned houses, sent their kids to college, taken vacations, retired well, and paid for their health care from investing -- and staying the course for the long haul -- in the stock market.

There are so many people that think this, it is really a shame, because they could help themselves out tremendously by investing for the long term.

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
 

Utter nonsense.

 

Tell that to the millions who have built and owned houses, sent their kids to college, taken vacations, retired well, and paid for their health care from investing -- and staying the course for the long haul -- in the stock market.

 

So, everybody who invests money in any random stock will make money?

No.

 

Are there infinite number of shares available to be bought at any time?

No.  There is a buyer and a seller for each share.  Only one of them will be better-off.

 

Here are a few definitions of "zero-sum game" in case you need a refresher:

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/investing/glossary/z/zero-sum-game

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game

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post #58 of 129

Investors, brokers, and media alike, love to build a company up. They continue the hype for purposes not necessarily for the benefit of the company, but for selfish and ridiculous reasons understood by few. Investors and brokers do it for financial gains. Media does so for the readership and clicks to their website.

 

All that said, in this one example, they will all suffer through their ignorance. In the long term, Apple has gained a foothold that few companies in the world have been able to achieve. The unique products, technological edge, and cash reserve, produces an environment that many companies envy. The environment that quite simply states, if you don't want to invest in our company, WE WILL.

 

The fact that the stock prices continue to go down, means that more and more stock can be repurchased by the company. With each and every share bought back, the companies profit continues be shared with fewer and fewer members of an elite society that will grow many into millionaires over time.

post #59 of 129
Will the patience last? What in the world are they talking about?

Wall Street already has has ZERO patience for Apple. They've been ridiculously punished for having the best balance sheet and only the slightest uncertainty about exactly how much growth to expect.
post #60 of 129
Wall St. is dominated by players who only care about stock bubbles, fast returns, or flash trading FTW.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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And, you know this how?

 

They don't know anything. Blocked.

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post #62 of 129
And here comes the negative spin, even before earnings are announced. Could get really bad the next few weeks.
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"Two major publications have openly questioned whether investors will continue to stand by one of the most profitable companies in the world," then everyone else piled on.

 

How does stuff like this really get started? Yeah, sure, Apple doesn't deliver a new, break-through product category in 4 years, but a big part of me says this is sparked by Samsung advertising dollars.

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So, everybody who invests money in any random stock will make money?

No.

 

Are there infinite number of shares available to be bought at any time?

No.  There is a buyer and a seller for each share.  Only one of them will be better-off.

 

Here are a few definitions of "zero-sum game" in case you need a refresher:

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/investing/glossary/z/zero-sum-game

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game

Get some basic financial education. Please. If not for yourself, for your family.

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Cue the usual, completely unfounded blather: "Wall-Street-is-a-gambling-den," "analysts-are-stupid-venal-low-lifes," "everyone-manipulates-stock-prices," "last-year's-profits-should-tell-us-all-we-need-to-know-about-this-year's-stock-prices," "Apple-should-go-private," "Time-Cook-should-stay/go," "Apple-does/does-not-innovate".

 

Am I missing anything?

Apple is Doomed?

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So, everybody who invests money in any random stock will make money?

No.

 

Are there infinite number of shares available to be bought at any time?

No.  There is a buyer and a seller for each share.  Only one of them will be better-off.

 

Here are a few definitions of "zero-sum game" in case you need a refresher:

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/investing/glossary/z/zero-sum-game

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game

You obviously really need to understand a zero-sum-game better. Linking to some website definitions don't improve your display of knowledge. If I purchase Share X at Price Y, then the shares appreciate over time to 2Y, and I elect to take profits at that point and sell my stock, I have made a net profit of 100%. If the entity that purchases from me holds the stock for a period (second, minute, hour, day, week or year) and the price of the stock goes up in that time, and the entity sells the stock to lock in its gains, I did not become a loser because I made 100% profit, and the entity is not a loser because it also made money. The problem for investors is, of course, there is no guarantee of profit, and if you don't follow your holdings closely, you can take hits in the short or the long term. This potential to lose money does not make the stock market a zero-sum-game, however.

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Originally Posted by martimus3060 View Post
 

You obviously really need to understand a zero-sum-game better. Linking to some website definitions don't improve your display of knowledge. If I purchase Share X at Price Y, then the shares appreciate over time to 2Y, and I elect to take profits at that point and sell my stock, I have made a net profit of 100%. If the entity that purchases from me holds the stock for a period (second, minute, hour, day, week or year) and the price of the stock goes up in that time, and the entity sells the stock to lock in its gains, I did not become a loser because I made 100% profit, and the entity is not a loser because it also made money. The problem for investors is, of course, there is no guarantee of profit, and if you don't follow your holdings closely, you can take hits in the short or the long term. This potential to lose money does not make the stock market a zero-sum-game, however.

 

If I purchase Share X at Price Y, I am purchasing it from another entity.

That other entity will therefore not enjoy my "net profit of 100%."

Or, in case I take a loss, that entity avoided the loss.

 

Get it?

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I wish the stock market would devalue apple, drop the share price to record lows. That would be a dream come true. But it'll never happen, cause they know apple will come in and scoop up all the shares, and never have to listen to them again, and not share their profits. I wonder if the share price will drop enough in the near future for apple to buy another big chunk back?

You know Cook is secretly hoping for their share price to fall to $400. Apple would save billions if this happened. I think a huge drop in share price in the next few months is a positive for long-term holders. At $400, Apple would be valued at around 4 times what they'll profit in 2015. I could see Apple buying back $100b in shares if the stock drops significantly.
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They don't know anything. Blocked.

I'm a former employee in Austin and am best friends with an Apple designer. This is the Internet, though, so I could be making this all up, sure.

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For most of the assembledom here, Apple doesn't really care about the stock price or what Wall Street thinks, witness comments Tim Cook made recently at the stockholder's meeting "We do a lot of things for reasons besides profit motive," he told the group. "We want to leave the world better than we found it." What he said isn't the point of the quote so please don't pedantically arguer the validity of it. I am just using this as an example of the Apple management team's outright disdain of company outsiders and their desire for Apple to cowtow to Wallstreet's very shortsighted investment theories/strategies/ideas.

@ nkhm - Taking Apple private might be a theoretically good idea (I caution *might*) but at Apple's overall valuation it would be practically impossible, so discussing it is a non-starter in circles where people actually want to discuss things rationally.

@ajbdtc826 - cars have been in existence for approximately 128 years, and for the last 20 years or so, there have been no really big breakthroughs (discounting Elon Musk's work for now), do you want car manufacturers to move on to the next big thing, and if so, what would you suggest. Iterative improvements and refinements have worked in many industries for centuries; Apple have been here for approximately 38 years, and look where their iterative improvements have taken us. Don't let the idea of the mythical perfect/utopian device (that of all the tech sector entities, Apple is most likely to create) get in the way of enjoying the nearly perfect stuff they are currently crafting/producing/selling.

For the auto industry, a lot of advancements have been made in the areas of safety, becoming more efficient, performance, and mfg processes.  Back 20 years ago, it was difficult to find cars that would go 0-60 under 7 seconds, now that is EASY for them to do.   But more importance is on more fuel efficiency WITH decent performance is the key.

 

Tim Cook needs to get a little more aggressive as he can't be too touchy feely.  Sure, they have to be more green conscious, but not slacking on innovation, and kicking production into gear to meet demand making products in key areas they lack, etc.

 

What I'm missing that I think a lot of others are is that when they have a product announcement, it's like 80% to 90% of what we want/expect. But they need to do just a little more to make it a GREAT announcement.

 

One thing for sure, at least they aren't STUPID in making Google Glass.  As much attention as that POS was/is making, I think it's going to flop.  I don't think products will be that successful when it's already getting banned at public places BEFORE it actually starts selling.  :-)

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Utter nonsense.

 

Tell that to the millions who have built and owned houses, sent their kids to college, taken vacations, retired well, and paid for their health care from investing -- and staying the course for the long haul -- in the stock market.

 

... and all the people on this board who have apparently made mucho dineros on AAPL... or at least that's what we keep hearing. 

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If I purchase Share X at Price Y, I am purchasing it from another entity.

That other entity will therefore not enjoy my "net profit of 100%."

Or, in case I take a loss, that entity avoided the loss.

 

Get it?

The example you use is not related to a zero-sum-game. Certain commodities market trading action actually is a zero-sum-game, but the stock market is not. Reread some of the definitions you looked up.

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Are there infinite number of shares available to be bought at any time?

No.  There is a buyer and a seller for each share.  Only one of them will be better-off.

 

Not quite right.

 

I made money from AAPL selling at $545 after buying at $390, thinking that it should have topped out at that point (and, technically, it should have).

 

Shortly after that it went up to $700.

 

If the person who bought my shares at $545 kept them until $700 and then sold... well, we would have both made about the same amount of money.

 

Anyone buying long at $700 would then have lost money... if they have sold since that time.

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post #74 of 129
I think that this earnings report will offer a last chance for a really good price on Apple stock over the next 3 years. If Apple drops to a PE of 12, you can expect Mr Cook to throw down another 15 billion to buy back the stock. That will remove another 3% of stock outstanding and continue to make the remaining shareholders wealthy. The really funny part is that even if some of the Institutional owners would prefer to keep the stock, if they are part of a index fund they will have to liquidate stock at these low prices and buy it back when the price rises.

It really makes you wonder why so many funds can't beat index funds for returns. Could it be that the person running the fund has his own interest ahead of those of his client?

As far as Microsoft's PE, it should be better. They finally have a leader who understands technology at the helm of the company. Microsoft has a stake in the future of the cloud for all those bureaucratic businesses who still use their software.
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Ok well I certainly am not suggesting now nor ever have suggested that there is nothing more to come from Apple. But I'm not surprised at the Wall Street sentiment considering Apple has has several quarters of little to no growth and flat to declining profits. And throw in the fact they basically go quiet for 6-9 months now and this is why we have the media memes and sentiment we do. If Apple isn't going to fill the vacuum others will.

WS will always fill in any gap, no matter the size. How long after the iPhone was release were there rumors of everything.
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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

Apple has become painfully predictable and stuck in slow motion
 innovation-wise. The media and Wall Street are correct! Tim Cook has 
put 
Apple in position where Cupertino now needs to prove it still
 possesses
 "fire in its belly
". 


​My radar leads me to conclude the iW
atch is 
imminent. That may move the needle! A larger iPhone will plug the dyke but I think it's too late to be 
significant because
 
everyone expects it. By 
making Apple TV a hobby for way too long I fear Apple has blown that opportunity too! There are people in denial here but the fact remains, compared to what Apple was in 2007-2011, the company is a bloody mess.  

Slow innovation wise? I guess only new product lines count as innovation. Six year btw iPod and iPhone. 3 years btw iPhone and iPad.
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AAPL
Sept 2011 - $700
April 2014 - $526

Apple's value is in an extended state of atrophy in an otherwise booming economy. Yes, I'd say that's a bloody mess!

Actually Sept 2011, Apple was at 400
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I wish the stock market would devalue apple, drop the share price to record lows. That would be a dream come true. But it'll never happen, cause they know apple will come in and scoop up all the shares, and never have to listen to them again, and not share their profits. I wonder if the share price will drop enough in the near future for apple to buy another big chunk back?

 

That already happened last year when it was at $385.

 

Wall Street knows the 2nd half of 2014 will be amazing

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As apple continues to make 40 billion dollars a year and adding to their cash pile of 150 billion while buying back stock and paying dividend.... Investors and wallstreet get impatient!

Ps to the ones living under a rock
Apple in the last 10 to 12 years .. Has released 1 game changing product every 3 to 4 years !
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AAPL

Sept 2011 - $700

April 2014 - $526

 

Apple's value is in an extended state of atrophy in an otherwise booming economy. Yes, I'd say that's a bloody mess!

 

Apple's stock price is a mess. Apple, the company, is doing just fine.

 

[oh... and, yes... September 2012 - $700... not September 2011 ]

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AAPL

Sept 2011 - $700

April 2014 - $526

 

Apple's value is in an extended state of atrophy in an otherwise booming economy. Yes, I'd say that's a bloody mess!

 

Tesla, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix are all 15-20% below their all time high.

 

Fact is in the Tech sector prices go up and down.  If you can't take it don't invest heavy in tech.

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