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Samsung has begun hyping a health-related event to be held in San Francisco on May 28 -- five days before Apple's own Worldwide Developers Conference is slated to begin in the same city.


Samsung invitation via Engadget.


"A new conversation around health is about to begin," reads Samsung's teaser for the late-May event, first published by Engadget. The South Korean electronics maker sent out the "save the date" notices this week to generate buzz, while formal invitations to members of the press are scheduled to follow.

But the conversation among tech enthusiasts since the notice was issued has unsurprisingly involved Apple, which is scheduled to kick off its annual WWDC event only five days later, on June 2.

Samsung's timing is particularly interesting as Apple is heavily rumored to offer new features focused on improving users' health and wellness. Reports have claimed that Apple is working on a health-centric application that would tie in to the growing ecosystem of iPhone-connected devices that track activity, fitness and general medical information, centralizing the data collection and making it easier for users to improve their lifestyle.

Apple already powers step-counting and other motion-related applications through its custom M7 coprocessor found in the A7 CPU that drives the iPhone 5s. But with this year's anticipated launch of iOS 8, Apple is rumored to delve even further into the health and fitness market.




Both Apple and Samsung are not only fierce rivals in the consumer electronics business, but both are also involved in numerous court battles with each accusing the other of copyright infringement. Apple shot first in that legal war, suing Samsung and accusing the company of "slavishly" copying the software and hardware of the iPhone and iPad.

This year, Apple is heavily rumored to focus on fitness not only with iOS 8, but also with an anticipated wrist-worn device. Samsung earlier this year issued its own preemptive strike against Apple's rumored "iWatch" with its own Gear Fit accessory.

Samsung's recent push into the wearable electronics market began in earnest last fall with the launch of its Galaxy Gear smart watch. That product was widely panned in reviews, and subsequent reports have suggested that Samsung rushed to market in an effort to beat Apple's anticipated "iWatch."
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Truly embarrassing company.
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Heard through the grapevine, this event….costs 2.2 Billion.

 

 

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I don't see how Samsung benefits from that strategy. If somehow they launched something great and overwhelming better than apple ( ok people stop laughing at stay with me, it's hypothetical) then Apple just omits it from the WWDC and retools. If Samsung announces something mediocre or not acuually ready to ship, they don't really benefit from first to market because all talk will be about what Apple has up it's sleeve.
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Truly embarrassing company.

 

I second that - truly embarrassing.  I'll add that the company is also corrupt and has no soul or ethics  

 

Frankly, it has turned me off to all South Korean products 

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I don't see how Samsung benefits from that strategy. If somehow they launched something great and overwhelming better than apple ( ok people stop laughing at stay with me, it's hypothetical) then Apple just omits it from the WWDC and retools. If Samsung announces something mediocre or not acuually ready to ship, they don't really benefit from first to market because all talk will be about what Apple has up it's sleeve.

That's right. They want to be seen as not copying, as being first, but if Apple release something amazing and Samsung are forced to change course, this event will just be even more obvious that they did so. They should give it a miss.

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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

You can argue anything, it wouldn't make it true....
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I really hate those Gear Fit devices. Even with the pictures you have to twist your head to a stupidly uncomfortable angle to see the screens.

 

I'd never buy one for that reason and that reason alone, regardless of who they're made by.

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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..
Everybody knows why they're having this "health" focused event just days before WWDC. It's a look at us, we're first! play. Even though no one cares who's first. Samsung had a "smartwatch" before Apple and Google but it was a piece of garbage. Does it matter if you're first if what you're first with is crap?
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Truly embarrassing company.

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I second that - truly embarrassing.  I'll add that the company is also corrupt and has no soul or ethics

 

Frankly, it has turned me off to all South Korean products

 

Thirded.

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Truly embarrassing company.
I second that
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The invitation looks very dull.
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

Apple is not often first to market, but when they come they come original. Given this track record, you can't argue Apple is copying without first seeing what they've done.

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I see that Samsung is worried.  It has no confidence in its own engineers and designers.  So it tries to react to every rumor and leaks from Apple.  I see Samsung is still focused on coverage:  Chasing every product category that is the perceived buzz.  In a sense, there is nothing wrong with that strategy, if that is what Samsung set out to do, fill every market niche it can and have the Samsung products everywhere.

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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

"I love my apple gadgets...."   this is how you started.

"Apple is copying Samsung."  this is how you ended.

 

You wanted to say the last line. But you started with the first line only to avoid people here to yell at you! :D

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Personally I think this is great news. Why? Because it will give Tim Cook and others something to poke fun at when the new Apple product totally rocks Samsung's world. Remember 2010 with Steve Ballmer prancing around on stage with an HP Slate tablet to be "first" before the iPad blew up the tech world? How'd that work out for Microsoft?  Apple just laughed at them in the face and came out with the right product... not one rushed to market to try to beat Apple.

 

As far as those saying that Samsung would be first with some health-related event... Apple's been working on this for a long time before it was even on anyone else's radar. In the U.S. (a country that values intellectual property laws, ahem... South Korea) it's first to file as far as patents go. So good luck if you come out with something you didn't bother to patent. Oh and Samsung? Apple's patents ARE worth the money. Just saying.

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this reminds me of when Ballmer had an event right before the apple keynote to promote the HP Slate and a lot of other windows "slates" because the analysts thought apple will call the yet-unreleased iPad .. iSlate. And then that same tablet went on to sell a couple of thousands while Apple sold millions. That event was truly embarassing and perhaps the Samsung event will resemble it.
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Truly embarrassing company.

Oh yes!  I AGREE SIR!

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"I love my apple gadgets...."   this is how you started.

"Apple is copying Samsung."  this is how you ended.

 

You wanted to say the last line. But you started with the first line only to avoid people here to yell at you! :D

 

LOL. Honestly, I wouldn't be writing this on my iMac and listening to music on my iPhone now (and charging my iPad the other side of the room) if i didn't love apple. but you make a good point - I was trying to defuse potential accusations that i was some sort of Samsung lurker! manifestly it didn't work :)


Frankly, I say: let Samsung do their announcement whenever. It shouldn't be a cause of hysteria and silly posts that pretend to guess that we know 1) what apple is going to do and 2) What samsung's motivation - none of us KNOW anything. Above all: the products will stand the test of whether they're any good and measure up in anyway to what Apple subsequently announces.  I doubt it..  but competition is a good thing. 

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 given that they were first with the health app, 

WRONG! Apple's App Store was the first with the health app

 

 

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Upstage Apple like with there dumb watch! LOL! Apple is going to make them look pitiful with the products they release. And after Apple does release its own stuff you watch within 6 months you will see a total redesign of Samsung's products that will look exactly like Apple's.
Just like after the iPhone came out there were none with touch displays, after Apple though everyones went to touch displays, well except maybe Blackberry which ignored there doom until it was to late.
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Truly embarrassing company.

Agreed, samsung sux!

 

 

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All this does is confirm Apple is still the top dog, the one to beat, the one people pay attention to. That Samsung feels it just has to announce something to upstage Apple says it all, that they’re the also-ran, not the one the industry follows, not the one people look to for leadership.

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I was referring to "S Health" and the rumoured Healthbook in iOS 8.

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WRONG! Apple's App Store was the first with the health app

 


I was referring to "S Health" and the rumoured Healthbook in iOS 8. Sorry if i was unclear.

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I don't care about who's first.  I care about who's best.

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Originally Posted by wdowell View Post
I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but

 

Shut up.

 
…many could argue Apple is copying Samsung.. 

 

They’d be idiots and wrong, but sure, they could “argue” it.

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I hope Apple waits another few years before they release a wearable device. Just like they did with the iPhone and the iPad. Wait until the market stagnates, understand what works and doesn't work, then release a badass device that no one expected. Boom!

 

As for Samsung, they want to ride Apple's media hype and hope to always be mentioned "... but a few days before Apple's conference", they're such misers.

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Samsung is an embarrassing company.

They aren't like Wayne Gretzky: skating to where the puck will be.

They instead try to go to where they guess Wayne Gretzky is going without even seeing the puck.
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

"many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..."

 

Another way of looking at it is that "many" haven't a clue about how products are created. Samsung prefers throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks and then advertising where that wall is, or better, paying for buzz. In the case of "Gear", I think that Samsung bypassed the wall test entirely and went with buzz straight off.

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Lame. Health is interesting, but it's not worth an entire announcement event all on its own.
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Why do companies continuously do this to themselves? It will get overshadowed by the hype around WWDC and completely buried once WWDC happens. Why not just release it this week and have a month to own the news instead of the lead story for 2 days if they're lucky?
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..
You seem to forget that as an Apple partner they know some things and if suppliers are leaking info to the media then what stops them from sharing even more and first to a customer with deep pockets. Apple doesn't have to announce product for their competitors to know what they are planning. Samsung doesn't have that problem. Isn't it odd that the only time Samsung and Google have special events, they are always scheduled to be a few days before an already scheduled Apple event? And why does it always involve whatever Apple is highly rumored to focus on in there release. There are 49 weeks in the year that don't have Apple events, but by some coincidence these companies can only do so when Apple does.
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I really hate those Gear Fit devices. Even with the pictures you have to twist your head to a stupidly uncomfortable angle to see the screens.

 

I'd never buy one for that reason and that reason alone, regardless of who they're made by.


For what it's worth, the latest update for the Gear Fit introduced a vertical screen orientation. So that problem is solved, it does have other issues though (like the heart-rate monitor not being accurate enough).

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"I love my apple gadgets...."   this is how you started.
"Apple is copying Samsung."  this is how you ended.

You wanted to say the last line. But you started with the first line only to avoid people here to yell at you! 1biggrin.gif

LOL. Honestly, I wouldn't be writing this on my iMac and listening to music on my iPhone now (and charging my iPad the other side of the room) if i didn't love apple. but you make a good point - I was trying to defuse potential accusations that i was some sort of Samsung lurker! manifestly it didn't work 1smile.gif


Frankly, I say: let Samsung do their announcement whenever. It shouldn't be a cause of hysteria and silly posts that pretend to guess that we know 1) what apple is going to do and 2) What samsung's motivation - none of us KNOW anything. Above all: the products will stand the test of whether they're any good and measure up in anyway to what Apple subsequently announces.  I doubt it..  but competition is a good thing. 

I do think it safe to assume that the date and location were not chosen after years of secret work and building something that they know to themselves to be insanely great and to be unveiled at the largest venue available near Samsung's global headquarters. Apple on the other hand does just that.
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They aren't like Wayne Gretzky: skating to where the puck will be.

They instead try to go to where they guess Wayne Gretzky is going without even seeing the puck.

Samsung is what mad men is all about.  all sizzle.  no steak.  (all hat...   no cattle).

 

I'm looking at Samsung's actions as so old school in their approach(es).

 

Now...  I'm certain that if you're seeking FDA (or EU) approval for your device/app that runs on a mobile device,  you've talked to Samsung (and Apple, and likely Microsoft).  And Samsung threw money at you to some sort of 'first release' opportunity. Healthcare is always printing money, especially in the worlds of socialized medicine and focusing your insured base on wellness (know your health).   Everyone knows this.   However, (tossing another sports analogy), Samsung sees a sprint, where a 5 day headstart could define a winner.   Apple sees this not even as a Marathon... but a series of Marathons.

 

Samsung, still aligned in divisions who inter compete for resources in the CEO's suite, is all about sales and profits.   Apple is all about 'defining' consumer experience.  And Apple in June isn't focused on July... It's actually looking about January.

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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..
Please go read the reviews of their "health" products. They are extremely poor quality, with the sensors giving results which are widely off the mark, and the apps being pieces of junk (e.g. The watch won't upload pedometer data to the smartphone's health app because it has its own app).
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"Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung.."

 

It is not about Apple announcing anything. They clearly have a strategy since they started partnering with Nike, then it evolved with the M5. They can't announce because for sure the are looking to partner with trusted brands in this space (which leads me to believe this is why Nike is reshaping their strategy) and for selected app developers to work on new APIs, sensors and services (most likely how the Health app got leaked).

 

Samsung on the other side is not partnering with or waiting for anyone, the will present something without the depth that will end up in a spec list. But as most things Samsung does on its own it will be a gimmick that might turn your head once, differentiate for a very short time and end up as background noise. 

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