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"Samsung prefers throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks..."

like primates @ the zoo.

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South Korea isn't all bad (some NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdma5UiMaEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUzIlrzLHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ZPnCIel0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 (1.9 billion views)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASO_zypdnsQ
And they try to be everywhere to cover all possibilities. It's possible to get a hit that way but as their attempt at a fingerprint sensor and watch showed, if you don't do it right then it doesn't have the same impact.

Samsung makes good components - display panels, SSDs, CPUs, memory, which is why Apple uses them but they are shameless about copying product ideas.


But they should feel *shameful* about what they produce.

 

Probably the CEO of that outfit tells everyone what to do, even though they don't have the opportunity to put out a product like the iPhone 5.

 

Even my former partner, who hates Apple for some reason, got sick of her Samsung phone and got an iPhone. Yeah. And her husband who has been self-described Apple-hater, bought an iPhone, too. ("Just for the games, though...")

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LG makes great washers and dryers. I wouldn't discount them.

 

An American company has a cheap knockoff of the LG washers and dryers, but they are just a little cheaper and crap (belt-driven washers instead of a direct motor). I forgot the name of the company, but they almost look like LG W/D.

 

Let's stop stereotyping entire nations.

 

Better yet, let's buy the best product out there.

I like LG as well- but unfortunately, Samsung and the corruption in the majority of South Korean government are hand in hand.

 

Say Samsung made the best product out there- I wouldn't buy it because it doesn't fit with my morals- sorry.  I care about both the product, and the person/company to which I'm giving my money.

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I don't want to watch them all, just tell me the ones that are NSFW so I can watch those.

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I second that - truly embarrassing.  I'll add that the company is also corrupt and has no soul or ethics  

Frankly, it has turned me off to all South Korean products 
Could not agree more.
Not only samdung has destroyed their image with this copycat and totally thuggish unethical distasteful approach , they have have managed to ruin south Koreas image all together.

The south Korean government would be wise to distance itself from this corrupt corp. But that will be hard as samdung is a huge political force in south Korea !

PS. Gangnam style Rocks though !
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

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Samsung hoping to upstage Apple with health-related event 5 days before WWDC

 

 

But this is the wrong metaphor. To "upstage" means to manipulate the situation so your competitor is poorly seen by the audience.  Theatrically, "upstage" is the back part of the stage, farther away from the audience. An actor speaking back there forces the actors who are downstage to turn around to speak to them, thus turning their back to the audience.  In the case of WWDC, Samsung going first merely means that the audience will forget about them as soon as the subsequent Apple announcements. In effect, it prepares the audience to be wowed by Apple (assuming they have an equal or better product).  It would be more accurate to describe Apple as upstaging Sammy.  

 

But a more fitting description of this would be that Sammy is trying to beat Apple to the stage. To get there first. And that might be what the author thought he was saying.

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But this is the wrong metaphor. To "upstage" means to manipulate the situation so your competitor is poorly seen by the audience.  Theatrically, "upstage" is the back part of the stage, farther away from the audience. An actor speaking back there forces the actors who are downstage to turn around to speak to them, thus turning their back to the audience.  In the case of WWDC, Samsung going first merely means that the audience will forget about them as soon as the subsequent Apple announcements. In effect, it prepares the audience to be wowed by Apple (assuming they have an equal or better product).  It would be more accurate to describe Apple as upstaging Sammy.  

But a more fitting description of this would be that Sammy is trying to beat Apple to the stage. To get there first. And that might be what the author thought he was saying.

I think the verb fits here.

upstage
verb
• divert attention from (someone) toward oneself; outshine.

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I second that - truly embarrassing.  I'll add that the company is also corrupt and has no soul or ethics

Frankly, it has turned me off to all South Korean products

Thirded.

Yup...I'm in.
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..
Apple is not often first to market, but when they come they come original. Given this track record, you can't argue Apple is copying without first seeing what they've done.

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Personally I think this is great news. Why? Because it will give Tim Cook and others something to poke fun at when the new Apple product totally rocks Samsung's world. Remember 2010 with Steve Ballmer prancing around on stage with an HP Slate tablet to be "first" before the iPad blew up the tech world? How'd that work out for Microsoft?  Apple just laughed at them in the face and came out with the right product... not one rushed to market to try to beat Apple.

As far as those saying that Samsung would be first with some health-related event... Apple's been working on this for a long time before it was even on anyone else's radar. In the U.S. (a country that values intellectual property laws, ahem... South Korea) it's first to file as far as patents go. So good luck if you come out with something you didn't bother to patent. Oh and Samsung? Apple's patents ARE worth the money. Just saying.

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I don't care about who's first.  I care about who's best.

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He, who laughs last -- laughs loudest!

In my experience he who laughs last probably didn't get the joke and is just laughing to fit in.

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I heard a rumor that Apple is entering the Zamboni market and will make a big splash with the NHL...better get on this one, Samsung!

Unfortunately, Apple will need to announce their Zamboni in Los Angeles -- rather than San Jose ... Sigh 1hmm.gif
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Samsung could't upstage Big Top Pee-Wee (Pee Wee Herman) if it tried.

Are you suggesting that Sammy should take in a movie?
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He, who laughs last -- laughs loudest!

In my experience he who laughs last probably didn't get the joke and is just laughing to fit in.

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Apple is damn slow. Galaxy S4 already has all the health sensors built in and an health app. S5 expands that with heart rate monitor. Starting from Ip5s the whatever coprocessor can only measure steps but can't do temperature and humidity like s4 which came out much earlier.

Gear Wearable is now in its second generations. It is so laughable seeing some ifans here still think Samsung copied apple when it seems like apple gonna be 1.5 to 2 years behind.

In reality apple is the one who will copy since they have 2 years to look at what samsung did and adapt its strategy before coming out with something.
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So they pull a real ____ move again. Like when they announced the s5 in Steve Jobs Birthday. And they say they have a heart rate sensor on the a5 when it's just a flashlight and an extra camera. Wow! They can cheat people and what they have left if there customers. Talk about false advertising. And The iPhone could measure you're heart rate for years
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this reminds me of when Ballmer had an event right before the apple keynote to promote the HP Slate and a lot of other windows "slates" because the analysts thought apple will call the yet-unreleased iPad .. iSlate. And then that same tablet went on to sell a couple of thousands while Apple sold millions. That event was truly embarassing and perhaps the Samsung event will resemble it.
Actually, the HP Slate running a Microsoft OS never came to be... it was a non-starter; dead in the cradle; aborted at the starting gate, an evolutionary dead-end... the ark sailed without it... Uncle Fester was left standing at the altar, and no one cared.
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Even my former partner, who hates Apple for some reason, got sick of her Samsung phone and got an iPhone. Yeah. And her husband who has been self-described Apple-hater, bought an iPhone, too. ("Just for the games, though...")

Sounds like she just into an "upgrade" mode and couldn't stop... :-)
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Apple is damn slow. Galaxy S4 already has all the health sensors built in and an health app. S5 expands that with heart rate monitor. Starting from Ip5s the whatever coprocessor can only measure steps but can't do temperature and humidity like s4 which came out much earlier.

Gear Wearable is now in its second generations. It is so laughable seeing some ifans here still think Samsung copied apple when it seems like apple gonna be 1.5 to 2 years behind.

In reality apple is the one who will copy since they have 2 years to look at what samsung did and adapt its strategy before coming out with something.

 

There is a difference between slow and methodical. Apple is the latter. Apple nurtures and refines their ideas and makes sure everything works and is in place before they decide to release a new feature, product or platform. Samsung takes a proverbial dump into their idea toilet, flushes it, reaches in and grabs whatever turd they can and flings it against the wall. ANY company is capable of doing the same thing. Fortunately for us, Apple has taste.

 

And I really don't understand this mentality that just because a company has a product on the market for years that it is somehow impervious to being outclassed by a newer product? Just as Apple demonstrated with media players and smartphones, they'll step out way beyond whatever's on the market when they debut their own "wearable" products, if they ever do.

 

Furthermore, please explain all these "health" sensors in the S4? The only superfluous sensors I've seen is the useless "moisture/temperature" sensor that supposedly detects your "Comfort Level"? Whatever that is? Sounds as useful as a mood ring. Oh, and a barometer - for measuring air pressure!? (I suppose you shove your phone up your butt and it can determine your stress level?) And by the way, the S5 uses the camera as a heart rate monitor, the same can be done with the iPhone camera. In fact there have been apps for iOS out for a while now.


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post #102 of 119
Every time Samsung announces something new, they infringe some Apple patents. Another lawsuit coming %u2026
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That's nothing, this September, Scamsung plans to introduce its Galaxy iPhoneCopy S6 a few days before Apple introduces its new iPhone. I would say "take Note," but while I'm in this galaxy, I'm going to take an iPhone.

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Apple is damn slow. Galaxy S4 already has all the health sensors built in and an health app. S5 expands that with heart rate monitor. Starting from Ip5s the whatever coprocessor can only measure steps but can't do temperature and humidity like s4 which came out much earlier.

Gear Wearable is now in its second generations. It is so laughable seeing some ifans here still think Samsung copied apple when it seems like apple gonna be 1.5 to 2 years behind.

In reality apple is the one who will copy since they have 2 years to look at what samsung did and adapt its strategy before coming out with something.

Apple was behind on the PMP. Apple was behind on selling a handset and smartphone. Apple was behind on selling a tablet. Apple was behind on a fingerprint biometric. I'd saying being best outweighs being first.

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Apple was behind on the PMP. Apple was behind on selling a handset and smartphone. Apple was behind on selling a tablet. Apple was behind on a fingerprint biometric. I'd saying being best outweighs being first.
Could not have said it any better 👍 there a deference between being slow and being patience. To the person you quoted.
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

Scurry back to your dunghill.

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Thanks for your enlightening contribution.
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I love my apple gadgets and frankly hate the samsung junk, but frankly it's a bit rich of Apple folk to say Samsung wants to jump the gun on Apple's health stuff, given that they were first with the health app, and the various hardware health monitors. Sure, i know the pulse thing is complete gimmick as it does nothing more than an app and the normal camera, but given that Apple hasnt announced anything at this point, many could argue Apple is copying Samsung..

The part that I underlined is the point people are making. An announcement a week before Apple's WWDC where its long been rumoured Apple will be moving into the health market, which is backed up by many acquisitions and hires over the last couple years, is suspect. Is this so Samsung can say they were first with these modern changes? It's no different than people saying that Apple's Touch ID is meaningless because fingerprint scanners existed on CE before the iPhone 5S. Being first means nothing if the result is substandard.

Of course, we don't know when Samsung had planned this event or if they are doing it to try to upstage Apple but this isn't the first time we've seen these tactics so it seems unlikely that it's purely a coincidence. The problem with this sort of maneuver — as we've seen time and time again — is that very few people actually care about who was first. This is business, not a marathon. It also has bearing on who was first; that's what patents are for.

What will likely happen is Samsung will make their announcement, it will get some buzz with pretty much everyone also saying "let's see what Apple does next week" and it will get quickly forgotten regardless of what Apple releases because Apple. If Apple announcing nothing then it will be deemed as Samsung is jumping the gun with unfinished ideas. If Apple announces and demos health related SW and/or HW it will get contrasted to Samsung's offering which will probably be less user-friendly in comparison. Chances are Apple will announce latter and ship sooner with a better, more thought-out foundation in place, not just a standalone feature that could be tossed in the next update.


PS: I'd reference the story of the Three Little Pigs on building well v building quick, but I'd have to change the story to have the first pig who made his house out of straw to also steal the design plans and building materials from the other two pigs.
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Samsung announced a whole range of new Gear wearable recently. So it is not a coincidence that it want to follow up with a health related event which the Gear Fit is targeted.

Apple very rarely holds any event during this time of the year. So why apple chose to hold this event so close to Samsung Gear rollout? The Gear Fit is a success and selling very well. Apple doesn't even have the iwatch yet so why is Apple rushing a health related event with Nike? I bet apple feel the threat from Samsung Gear range may derail their iwatch when it is released.
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Samsung announced a whole range of new Gear wearable recently. So it is not a coincidence that it want to follow up with a health related event which the Gear Fit is targeted.

Apple very rarely holds any event during this time of the year. So why apple chose to hold this event so close to Samsung Gear rollout? The Gear Fit is a success and selling very well. Apple doesn't even have the iwatch yet so why is Apple rushing a health related event with Nike? I bet apple feel the threat from Samsung Gear range may derail their iwatch when it is released.

 

The Gear stuff is a success? Based on what metric? Certainly not sales.

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Samsung announced a whole range of new Gear wearable recently. So it is not a coincidence that it want to follow up with a health related event which the Gear Fit is targeted.

So the time they announced the new Gear crap was not the proper time?
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Apple very rarely holds any event during this time of the year.

Bull fucking shit! WWDC has consistently been the first week of June since 2007 and all iOS updates have been announced during the WWDC keynote since they moved the iPhone to an Autumn launch, and before that the new iPhone was announced during the WWDC keynote. Rarely hold an event during this time of the year my ass!
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So why apple chose to hold this event so close to Samsung Gear rollout?

You mean the event Apple announced on April 3rd at 5am and the event that Samsung just "coincidentally" just announced 2 days ago?
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The Gear Fit is a success and selling very well.

What are those sales numbers? I bet the iPod Nano with the Kickstarter program that makes it a watch has sold more units than Samsung ha sold Gear.
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Apple doesn't even have the iwatch yet so why is Apple rushing a health related event with Nike?

1) Where did you read it's with Nike?

2) In what world do you live in that health can only be related to a watch?

3) What kind of moron, besides Samsung, thinks you should release HW before you ever consider how the SW will work on the device?
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I bet apple feel the threat from Samsung Gear range may derail their iwatch when it is released.

Much the same way that Apple is feeling threatened Samsung's fingerprint scanner on the Galaxy S5 being better than Touch ID on the iPhone 5S.

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Samsung announced a whole range of new Gear wearable recently. So it is not a coincidence that it want to follow up with a health related event which the Gear Fit is targeted.

Apple very rarely holds any event during this time of the year. So why apple chose to hold this event so close to Samsung Gear rollout? The Gear Fit is a success and selling very well. Apple doesn't even have the iwatch yet so why is Apple rushing a health related event with Nike? I bet apple feel the threat from Samsung Gear range may derail their iwatch when it is released.

I don't know how to break it to you but Apple holds WWDC every year at this time, then they will have another even in June too. Just because you didn't know it's been on the calendars for most of a year, doesn't mean Apple just through it up. It was Samsung who announced their event just a few days ago so I'm assuming they want to suck on the crowd who will be here for WWDC, not the other way around.

Also, Apple didn't make the announcement about Nike, Nike did that. Nike will be using the WWDC event to show off their direction to the developers who will be at WWDC. It's a perfect time for all hardware accessory manufacturers to show at WWDC.

I really can't believe the level of your cluelessness!
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The Gear stuff is a success? Based on what metric? Certainly not sales.

Samsung gear was a success in that the hole they dug to bury the unsold Gear crap was smaller then the one Microsoft dug to bury their Surface crap. 1wink.gif
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What will likely happen is Samsung will make their announcement, it will get some buzz with pretty much everyone also saying "let's see what Apple does next week" and it will get quickly forgotten regardless of what Apple releases because Apple. If Apple announcing nothing then it will be deemed as Samsung is jumping the gun with unfinished ideas. If Apple announces and demos health related SW and/or HW it will get contrasted to Samsung's offering which will probably be less user-friendly in comparison. Chances are Apple will announce latter and ship sooner with a better, more thought-out foundation in place, not just a standalone feature that could be tossed in the next update.

What you described reminded me of how Palm intended to jump in front of Apple's phone announcement a few years back. The press saw it for what it was and the Palm announcement got lost in the noise over the new iPhone... If Apple is doing business as usual they won't make a single adjustment to what Samsung is doing and likely not even comment on it.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
Rarely hold an event during this time of the year my ass!

 

Can’t wait for Phil to say that one on stage.

 

WWDC has been June every year since 2003 except 2006. May before that. No clue where he’s coming from.

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post #116 of 119
Samsung is so effing sad. We'll shadow Apple until we beat them that's their strategy.
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Scurry back to your dunghill.
I think it's all about the timing. Samsung is gunning for Apple. That's the name of the game.
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Apple is damn slow. Galaxy S4 already has all the health sensors built in and an health app. S5 expands that with heart rate monitor. Starting from Ip5s the whatever coprocessor can only measure steps but can't do temperature and humidity like s4 which came out much earlier.

Gear Wearable is now in its second generations. It is so laughable seeing some ifans here still think Samsung copied apple when it seems like apple gonna be 1.5 to 2 years behind.

In reality apple is the one who will copy since they have 2 years to look at what samsung did and adapt its strategy before coming out with something.

 

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Originally Posted by winstein2010 View Post
 

I see that Samsung is worried.  It has no confidence in its own engineers and designers.  So it tries to react to every rumor and leaks from Apple.  I see Samsung is still focused on coverage:  Chasing every product category that is the perceived buzz.  In a sense, there is nothing wrong with that strategy, if that is what Samsung set out to do, fill every market niche it can and have the Samsung products everywhere.

 

I think that you are putting forward an important point here.

 

To approach it from another angle; Samsung appears to be a very tactical company. Many of its products are reactive, in that they are responding to perceived market trends, rather than attempting to create new market trends.

 

I'd argue that Samsung is making more contributions to health with its devices than any of its competitors, but having said that, I don't see a unifying strategy behind these contributions. Their wearable products are a good example of how Samsung is apparently confused about what wearables should be. They are fiddling around the edges, and trying to ride a trend wave that is a current trend wave.

 

I think Apple differs because they are much more conservative about when they enter a new product segment. They tend to only enter a segment when they can contribute very significantly to it - or when they can create an entirely new segment.

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