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So when did the first 6 months of the year become no-go?

At the same time when did the last 6 months not count as part of the year?
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Ok I was off one month (unless you expect new products to drop in May?).

 

There have only been four months so far this year. Have some patience for chrissakes, there are better things to worry about.

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What about people that would prefer to stager their purchases? Not everyone can afford new macs, iPhone, iPad, etc. in one quarter. And by pushing everything into the holiday quarter Apple basically goes quiet for most of the year which allows others to have the spotlight and/or drive the narrative.

 

Who is forcing you to buy everything new on launch day?

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So when did the first 6 months of the year become no-go?

 

First five months. Your calendar is all messed up.

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So should they release stuff before it's ready? What your point? It's not like they randomly have the first 6 months of the yr blacked out. A ton of stuff was updated in the fall, and as for new categories, alot of things have to align in terms of software and technology before those can be launched. 
When did I say Apple should release stuff before it's ready? But do all the stars that have to align only align in the second half of the year? Part of the reason I'd like them to space things out more is so the things they do announce can get more attention. Case in point the new iPads last year. They got very little stage time and no demonstration of the benefits of 64-bit. All Phil Schiller did was read specs off a sheet. But iPad was sharing the stage with nMP, updated MBPs and new software demos. Now if things were spaced out more and, say, iPad has its own event maybe Apple could have spent time demoing specific apps that take advantage of the 64-bit processor. Or maybe demo iWork and other new apps for iPad that show how it's so much more than a consumption device. Apple keeps touting the success of iPad in education and enterprise...well show some of that off! Let's see some demos of how businesses are utilizing iPad to create custom apps. Of course all of that is difficult to do when iPad is sharing the stage with 3 or 4 other products and Apple only has an hour and a half to talk about everything.
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There have only been four months so far this year. Have some patience for chrissakes, there are better things to worry about.
What new products do yo expect Apple to drop in May?
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I just heard a new rumor that the rumor about the rumored devices being a no show at the show is just a rumor. 

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What new products do yo expect Apple to drop in May?

 

I don't expect anything, which is why I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do. If they don't, I will not have been exhausting myself with handwringing while waiting to see what happens at WWDC in a short month from now.

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WWDC is software! Since when has it been about hardware? That's why it a developers conference. My guess is in October
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WWDC is software! Since when has it been about hardware? That's why it a developers conference. My guess is in October

I will ask again when hasn't Apple had hardware at WWDC? The fact is software is useless without hardware.
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Last year in a holiday memo to employees Cook said:
At some point Cook needs to put up or quit the tease. If all we get at WWDC is a redesigned OS X and iOS 8 with incremental updates that's not going to leave a lot of time to unveil these "big plans".

A health monitor watch? Really?

 

Where the cracked Apple TV?  

Heck where's the current Apple TV update for that matter?

 
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What new product line was announced under Cook so far? CarPlay (if that's considered a new product line)?

I'm still waiting for his answer on that too.

 
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I'm still waiting for his answer on that too.
Well there's someone in this thread who thinks the nMP should be considered a new product this year so...

Anyway this report didn't say anything about Macs so it's possible we see a new Mac mini or 4K display. The mini is overdue for a refresh.
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Well there's someone in this thread who thinks the nMP should be considered a new product this year so...

Anyway this report didn't say anything about Macs so it's possible we see a new Mac mini or 4K display. The mini is overdue for a refresh.

That's a prosumer device.

If so would you consider the 2006 Xserve as well?

 

We're really talking non-niche products.

 
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Yes, Tim Cook does need to put up, and soon. Apple hasn't released a new product line in almost four years under his leadership.

 

And yet they keep making more and more money. So maybe Tim doesn't need to "put up". Perhaps the real issue is that the other companies aren't making as much on any one product so they have to keep releasing something new to get sales constantly coming in

 

Keep in mind that under Steve they weren't releasing a new product line every year either. Even skipping the Lisa, there were huge gaps between the first desktop (Jan 1984) and first laptop (Sept 1989), Newton (1993) then to the first iPod (Oct 2001), first Apple TV (Jan 2007), the first iPhone (June 2007) and so on. Just looking at recent history it was three years between the iPhone and iPad. And it's been less than 3 years since Tim was truly in command (after Steve's death in Oct 2011) so he has some time before its truly been 'too long' for something new. Heck it was three years before models of the Apple TV.

 

I'd say he's right on the typical schedule. 

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 Last years iPad event felt really rushed (Apple spent next to no time demonstrating the benefit of 64 bit on the iPad) because Apple crammed in a bunch of product announcements all at one time. 

 

It didn't really hurt sales which is the whole point of those events. To introduce things to the media to get them to drum up business to make sales. 

 

As for people's budgets, the only ones that would really be bothered are those that have to have the latest and greatest the moment it comes out.  Most folks don't. And those that do know the score so they know to save up for that big hit

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So ATV can't be updated until content owners decide to play ball with Apple? utionary way of accessing and paying for content worked out.

 

To a degree yes. If the nets won't approve the extension of content contracts Apple can't put said materials up. If the developers don't sign up for making Apple TV worthy versions of their games, what's the point of Apple bothering with that direction if they are even thinking about it. They can change the UI but that isn't really going to drive sales since folks aren't spending all their time staring at that. They go through it in a few seconds to content

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Thing is by now Samsung has disgusted me so much that they could release the greatest gizmo imaginable and I still wouldn't take it even if you paid me to.
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My call is the rumoured iWatch will be announced at WWDC with a release scheduled for the fall. iOS 8 announcement with lots of focus for developers to get runway for the hardware launch in the fall. iPhone 6 will get released in the fall too. The 5 with the second chip will be positioned as entry hardware to be compatable iWatch. 6 will naturally posses the same. 5C will be knocked down in price as a true entry level unit that does not run in tandum with the iWatch. My 3 cents opinion.
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To a degree yes. If the nets won't approve the extension of content contracts Apple can't put said materials up. If the developers don't sign up for making Apple TV worthy versions of their games, what's the point of Apple bothering with that direction if they are even thinking about it. They can change the UI but that isn't really going to drive sales since folks aren't spending all their time staring at that. They go through it in a few seconds to content
How can developers not sign up for something that doesn't exist? It Apple provided a development platform for ATV developers would be there in a heartbeat. There are some no brainer things Apple should do with ATV. And Apple is rumored to be working on a lot of them. As I said before I think there are things Apple can and should implement whether or not they've got something big worked out with content providers. Besides the UI being horribly out of date stylistically it's also clunky to use and search is crap. If Apple doesn't have the "cracked" part figured out yet at least make sure ATV is keeping up with the competition.
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It didn't really hurt sales which is the whole point of those events. To introduce things to the media to get them to drum up business to make sales. 

As for people's budgets, the only ones that would really be bothered are those that have to have the latest and greatest the moment it comes out.  Most folks don't. And those that do know the score so they know to save up for that big hit
iPad sales have been essentially flat for a while now. iPhone gets its own event that doesn't have to be shared with anything else (except maybe iPods). iPad should get the same attention.
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That's a prosumer device.
If so would you consider the 2006 Xserve as well?

We're really talking non-niche products.
It's a developer conference. I would guess a fair number of people in that audience use a Mac mini or a Mac Pro so updating the mini and releasing a 4K monitor would please that crowd. I'm still a little surprised that Apple didn't update the Thunderbolt Display when the nMP was released. If Apple offered a 4K monitor pros would buy it.
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 I mean jobs said he cracked TV. Where is it?

You really should consider that he didn't talk about unreleased products. If there was a television in the works, that quote wouldn't have come up, as it would have violated one of Apple's policies.

 

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It's a developer conference. I would guess a fair number of people in that audience use a Mac mini or a Mac Pro so updating the mini and releasing a 4K monitor would please that crowd. I'm still a little surprised that Apple didn't update the Thunderbolt Display when the nMP was released. If Apple offered a 4K monitor pros would buy it.


It remains to be seen if they keep the display in lockstep with the imac. It also remains to be seen if they keep the display as it is today. Right now it's really designed as display + dock. They leverage it across the greatest possible range. If they brought out a 4K display today, it would work as expected with the mac pro and macbook pro. Those are the only two with full displayport 1.2 support due to thunderbolt 2. That might initially be enough for them, as the other machines will eventually be updated to that level.

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It's a developer conference. I would guess a fair number of people in that audience use a Mac mini or a Mac Pro so updating the mini and releasing a 4K monitor would please that crowd. I'm still a little surprised that Apple didn't update the Thunderbolt Display when the nMP was released. If Apple offered a 4K monitor pros would buy it.

Then is it about new software for the iNike I mean iWatch?

Amazon has Gold boxed Nike fuel bands today- this is all too obvious.
 
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You really should consider that he didn't talk about unreleased products. If there was a television in the works, that quote wouldn't have come up, as it would have violated one Apple's policy

He was being quoted for what he knew would be a posthumous book. Why would he lie. It was a warts and all description.
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He was being quoted for what he knew would be a posthumous book. Why would he lie. It was a warts and all description.
makes one wonder exactly what is Eddy Cue working on? IMO the weakest part of Apple right now are primarily in his shop - maps, Siri, iCloud and Apple TV. Perhaps he has too much on his plate and some of it needs to get transitioned elsewhere.
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I will ask again when hasn't Apple had hardware at WWDC? The fact is software is useless without hardware.
Well I don't know but I don't remember them unvailing any other hardware with iOS 7 or mavericks. But maybe I wasn't focused on mavericks, so sorry if I was wrong.
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That's a prosumer device.
If so would you consider the 2006 Xserve as well?
A new product is a new product, just because you personally don't have a need for it doesn't lessen the fact that Apple launched it. It being whatever you are trying to discount.

The Mac Pro is a perfect example here, there is no way one can reasonably say it is not a new product. In many ways a market changing product.
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We're really talking non-niche products.

No you are trying to deny reality in the face of an Apple that has effectively delivered many new products and features over the last couple of years.

Seriously consider the effort that has gone I to delivering new microprocessors. The "A" series has effectively put Apple at the forefront of modern portable devices development. Then we have Touch ID. Now some will say they are nothing but components in a larger device, but the point here is they effectively change the characteristics of the device and make it new and put it into a new category.

Let's face it today's modern iPhone is a hugely different product than the device first delivered a few years ago. It is much more than a cell phone or even what was considered to be a smart phone back then. Apple has steadily redefined the category.

Beyond hardware Apple has made great strides in services and software. Like it or not these are still products even if they are not physical. You might say that something like Siri is free, but it is still a product that was developed and delivered over time and recently.

So when it comes right down to it you don't know what you are talking about. Everything I've seen indicates that Apple has never been so productive.
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It didn't really hurt sales which is the whole point of those events. To introduce things to the media to get them to drum up business to make sales. 
I'm not sure where the rushed feelings come from. IPad is now a stable well selling product with strong sales. Could it use the likes of Touch ID, more RAM and other features - yes it could! The problem is it would have been rushing for Apple to include the likes of Touch ID when there wasn't the production capacity to support Touch ID on the iPad.

So while I can see Apple doing better with respect to RAM and SSD storage, I don't see a a reason to call the iPad rushed. Even in the context of the debut of the last model it got the focus it deserved considering it was a simple bump.
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As for people's budgets, the only ones that would really be bothered are those that have to have the latest and greatest the moment it comes out.  Most folks don't.
Exactly! Anybody with any sense and a little self control should realize that you don't need every new Apple device every year. In fact I personally try to go a couple of years or more between upgrades ( still rocking an iPhOne 4).
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And those that do know the score so they know to save up for that big hit
Apparently some can't see beyond today. You also have those that never have paid off a credit card completely! Maybe what we need these days is a mandatory high school course that teaches the little kiddies how to manage their money. You would think that Math class would be good enough there but then again many are hopeless in that course of study.
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Maybe what we need these days is a mandatory high school course that teaches the little kiddies how to manage their money.

 

That one doesn’t already exist is probably the source of a lot of these problems.

 
You would think that Math class would be good enough there but then again many are hopeless in that course of study.

 

I remember being taught how to properly write checks in… maybe 7th grade? I do not, however, remember being taught not to write checks that you cannot cash. That’s probably some of it.

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post #111 of 164
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So Tim's comment about new products "across 2014" is sounding more like new products in September and October...again.

They've just introduced new MacBook Airs. Nice try.

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A redesigned Mac mini would be awesome.

 

I imagine the new Mac mini to be like the Mac Pro: Same concept of having the computer as a brain, but in silver and a smaller radius. A bit like a thermos flask. I'd have a maxed out Mac mini.

 

I am looking forward to the new flat look OSX. iOS7 looks stellar!

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They've just introduced new MacBook Airs. Nice try.
I guess technically they're new products but they mostly fall under the no big deal category. Now if Apple announces a retina, fanless 12" Mac at WWDC, that would be a big deal.
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I'm not sure where the rushed feelings come from. IPad is now a stable well selling product with strong sales. Could it use the likes of Touch ID, more RAM and other features - yes it could! The problem is it would have been rushing for Apple to include the likes of Touch ID when there wasn't the production capacity to support Touch ID on the iPad.

So while I can see Apple doing better with respect to RAM and SSD storage, I don't see a a reason to call the iPad rushed. Even in the context of the debut of the last model it got the focus it deserved considering it was a simple bump.
I think the iPad announcement last year was rushed and it didn't get the time it deserved. Apple added 64-bit to iPad...well don't just mention while reading off a spec slide, show us what that means in terms of what we can do with it, how it makes our experience of using the iPad better. Is there a section in the App Store where you can find apps that take advantage of the 64-bit processor? I love the "Your Verse" campaign. That's what Apple should be talking about when showing off new iPads.
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Developers: "The App Store gold rush is over.  We want a new device so we can get in early on the next gold rush."

Apple: "The App Store gold rush is over.  Period."

 

I'd be very surprised if Apple ever releases dev kits for Apple TV or the (rumored) wrist-top.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple continues cherry-picking Apple TV apps and does the same with the wrist-top.

Better to pick just a few quality brands to work with, then design and build apps for those brands.

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He was being quoted for what he knew would be a posthumous book. Why would he lie. It was a warts and all description.

 

I never said he was lying. I said you took the wrong thing away from the reading, just like the hack tech writers that latched onto it. If they planned to release a television, he wouldn't have talked about it, especially when when projects are sometimes shelved. I do not think he would have broken the company's internal policies for the sake of his biography. Right now they make some money in the television area through the set box and associated content sales. If they were going to get into selling television hardware, they would look for a high price point in the technology. In Apple's case this would probably mean something like 4K screens as soon as they become viable as a volume television product in a desirable size.

 

Apple did the same thing with past displays in that they latched on when the prices were at their highest levels, then didn't reduce them as much over time as their competition. You can see that in both the older aluminum framed cinema displays and the 27". The 27" cinema display maintained the $1000 price point, yet added in the thunderbolt hub. Televisions have been consistently low margin devices with little differentiation for the past several years. I think if Apple is going to approach them, it will be at the next point of temporarily inflated pricing rather than through a higher price tier with existing technology. They tend to favor a somewhat high cost of entry with attention to aesthetics and added features to balance the perception of value. Even then the refresh and repurchasing cycle a television would be quite different from their other product lines, as people are not likely to buy a new television every year or two as they often do with phones. I think that also contributes to it being undesirable to enter the market at an unexciting time relative to the underlying hardware technology. Apple doesn't manufacture their own panels as most television manufacturers do, so they would want as much differentiation as possible relative to the set that potential customers already own.

 

That being said I still don't think he would have mentioned such a thing if they had a television under development at the time he spoke to his biographer. On the off chance that he did, if it was a matter of delays or something, that would have been stricken from the book prior to publishing.

 

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I think the iPad announcement last year was rushed and it didn't get the time it deserved. Apple added 64-bit to iPad...well don't just mention while reading off a spec slide, show us what that means in terms of what we can do with it, how it makes our experience of using the iPad better. Is there a section in the App Store where you can find apps that take advantage of the 64-bit processor? I love the "Your Verse" campaign. That's what Apple should be talking about when showing off new iPads.

 

What does that matter aside from geek factor? We use a chip with larger registers. Look at this app. It's compiled to do something with the extra bits beyond filling them with extra 0s. It is absolutely irrelevant whether it makes explicit use of that unless something was lacking in performance or ability to efficiently address certain data sizes and precision values prior to that point. Beyond that it's marketing fluff.


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So Tim's comment about new products "across 2014" is sounding more like new products in September and October...again.

 

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Both the iPhone and the iPad were early January announcements. So the SDK was released at WWDC. This year it's looking like the new products will be bigger phones.

 

Non-readers keep saying this, but...  ...a bigger iPhone and a faster iPad will not be (the promised) new product "lines."

 

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Patience, grasshopper.  Good things come to those who wait.  Everybody else can buy Samsung ;=)

 

Grasshoppers don't live four years....

 

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MacPro

CarPlay

 

thats two right there

 

That's cool (altho' as noted below the MP is really more a 2013 product) (that will sell to less than1% of Apple customers), so cool if you have $5000 for a computer or own a Ferrari at the moment (are there other cars with CP actually available?).

Granted, though, CarPlay is a new product that will trickle down to we unwashed over time....
 

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Haha you serious? Both of those products were announced last year. You can't call the nMP a new product for 2014 because shipping delays of a month or more made delivery spill in to 2014.

 

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Yes, Tim Cook does need to put up, and soon. Apple hasn't released a new product line in almost four years under his leadership.

 

Apple's bottom line says otherwise, but on the other hand, MS's profits and even sales were great under Ballmer even as many key products, e.g., Win 8 and more, were disasters, leaving a big technological hole to climb out of...

 

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It's a jungle out there, folks.

 

And when it gets real quiet in the jungle... watch out!

 

Apple is gonna spring something big!  Maybe not at WWDC, but soon.  :)

 

Gee haven't heard that "my Apple right or wrong" anthem for about 10 posts...

 

 

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post #118 of 164
Still think a surprise is coming at WWDC. If you're Cook and tired of leaks, wouldn't you maybe allow for a leak that casts doubt that anything new is coming? I do know that design work is done on a new product line. I have no idea how long something takes to be announced after design, but surely not that long.
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Originally Posted by Hopeless View Post
wouldnt you maybe allow for a leak that casts doubt that anything new is coming?

 

Not sure how you could hide something with nothing, though.

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All it would take is to tell an influential blogger that the focus will be on OSX and not to expect anything else, right?
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