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The Apple v. Samsung jury on Friday meted out $119.6 million in damages to Apple after ruling Samsung infringed on two Apple patents. Considered a win, the award is still a ways off from the $2.2 billion Apple was seeking in its suit.

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Following weeks of testimony and three days of deliberations, the eight-member Apple v. Samsung jury reached a decision awarding Apple $119,625,000 on three infringed patents and Samsung $158,400 on one patent, according to in-court reports from Re/code. The jury foreman, a former IBM executive, read the verdict to those present at the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in San Jose on Friday.

The jury found all accused Samsung devices in infringement of Apple's '647 data detectors patent and partial infringement on the '721 patent for "slide-to-unlock" functionality, a contentious piece of IP in the case. Presiding Judge Lucy Koh already found Apple's '172 patent for text prediction to be infringed by Samsung in a summary judgment in January. Samsung wholly won its defense on the '959 universal search and '414 background syncing patents.

"We are grateful to the jury and the court for their service," Apple said in statement. "Today's ruling reinforces what courts around the world have already found: That Samsung willfully stole our ideas and copied our products. We are fighting to defend the hard work that goes into beloved products like the iPhone, which our employees devote their lives to designing and delivering for our customers."

Samsung also won $158,400 for Apple's infringement of its '449 patent for an "Apparatus for recording and reproducing digital image and speech," which was invented by Hitachi. No infringement was found on the Korean company's purchased '239 property that was being leveled against FaceTime.

In its second major California court case against Samsung, Apple accused the Korean company of infringing on five patents including properties covering swipe-to-text, universal search and data detectors. Apple sought $2.19 billion in damages on lost profits and royalties, a figure Samsung called a "gross exaggeration" of the patents' worth.

For its part, Samsung leveled a countersuit that started out with five selected patents, though only two made it to trial after case paring. The company was seeking damages for less than $7 million.

The ruling will almost certainly be appealed, however, as both sides seek to counter the jury's decision in favor of their respective cases.

The jury is scheduled to return to court on Monday at 9 a.m. PST to discuss an error Apple discovered in the verdict. According to the form, the jury assigned $0 in damages for Samsung's Galaxy S II over infringement of Apple's '172 patent, a figure that needs to be clarified.
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Only time it's a touch exciting. Let's see which of DED's scenario plays out!
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Was it expected for the jury to reach a decision this soon? Who does this benefit?
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The jury is in the room so it should only be a few moments

Samsung infringed '647

No infringement on '959 (universal search)

No infringement on '414 background sync either (calendar etc)

Some infringement on slide-to-unlock

Sounds like willful in the opinion of the jury. Judge Koh of course makes that actual determination.

Final tally: About $120M in damages $52M of that attributed to S3. Galaxy Tab was all clear
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Too soon. The quickness of the verdict is worrisome. However, you can point to Apple's victory a couple years ago to say this may go in Apple's favor. This has huge implications. Will Samsung continue copying Apple or learn it's lesson, finally. The fact that Samsung "lied" about indemnification was huge for Apple, as well as Samsung's internal documents that, in my view, says "we have to make our phone like Apple's to succeed. My jaw dropped when I saw the "slide to unlock" internal documents. Got my fingers crossed.
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LMAO
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It's interesting that all that text that appears above Developing must be some kind of boilerplate text pre-written well before the verdict, in anticipation of the verdict. I suppose it's necessary filler.

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Will the verdict be on TV live anywhere?
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Yee Haw!!
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Sounds like a mixed bag. Doesn't matter though is the verdict will certainly be appealed.
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I'm looking forward to the obligatory DED article about it. Whichever way it goes.

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I am happy that it ended SOON!

But WORLD, be aware... still, this will not stop SAMSUNG copying !!! 

Cant wait for their coming event. --- Ahead of Apple! 

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Was it expected for the jury to reach a decision this soon? Who does this benefit?

The jury gets to go home and not come back next Monday.

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Sounds like a mixed bag. Doesn't matter though is the verdict will certainly be appealed.

 

It'll be the year 2020 and they'll still be going back and forth. This will never end. However, if you're Samsung and you lose 2 or 3 times then maybe thats a sign you should just stop while you're ahead. I would love for Samsung to appeal, lose again and owe even more. 

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The jury gets to go home and not come back next Monday.
ha, true!
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Apple gets $119,625,000 in damages.
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 Initial court proceedings that could see Apple awarded up to nearly $2.2 billion in damages

 

That could? Where did this pull that figure out of? Because that's what Apple is seeking? Seems odd to jump to that conclusion at the point.

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Sounds like a mixed bag. Doesn't matter though is the verdict will certainly be appealed.

ReCode is saying the jury awarded $119 million, though that can be increased since it was "willful." So it's a mixed bag. Apple gets another jury verdict and gains a little bit more leverage in final negotiations. I'm sure they didn't think they'd really get $2.2 billion, given that they only got $900 million last time and this case was far more nuanced.

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ReCode is saying the jury awarded $119 million, though that can be increased since it was "willful." So it's a mixed bag. Apple gets another jury verdict and gains a little bit more leverage in final negotiations. I'm sure they didn't think they'd really get $2.2 billion, given that they only got $900 million last time and this case was far more nuanced.
From the San Jose Mercury news:

At first blush, Samsung fared much better in this trial. We'll find out if dancing in streets of Cupertino
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I think its more like WHO GIVES A FLYING F%$^@

They'll be in litigation till the day the world ends.

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$119.6M? Seriously? This is a win for Samsung.
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That's from 2012!
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Sounds like a mixed bag. Doesn't matter though is the verdict will certainly be appealed.

What it probably does is put pressure on both sides to finally reach a settlement. The patents this time around were worth a lot less, at least according to the jury, and as time goes on Samsung is working around the patents more and more. Microsoft took a "license" approach rather than a "sue" approach, and perhaps we'll see Apple trend toward that. They've done that with HTC. My guess is that with Samsung it was personal given that they are a significant supplier and Apple felt double-crossed.

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$119.6M? Seriously? This is a win for Samsung.

DED's forehead is throbbing. Right. Now.

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From the San Jose Mercury news:

At first blush, Samsung fared much better in this trial. We'll find out if dancing in streets of Cupertino
by hmintz 7:08 PM

They beat me to this comment:
"They've spent more on lawyers in this case, most likely, than this damages award. But both sides will spin."

Oh, and Apple infringes on Samsung camera IP to the tune of $153K
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Apple was right. Samsung is in the habit of copying Apple's technology. That's all that matters.
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$119.6M? Seriously? This is a win for Samsung.

Not really. Sure, it's a lot better than last year's result, but the patents have value, which is what their counterclaim for $6.2 million was attempting to refute. More likely this puts pressure on both sides to reach a cross-licensing agreement of some sort. Maybe $2-4/phone net to Apple (less than what Apple gets from HTC, but over a larger volume).

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Jury finds Apple infringed Samsung camera folder patent...$158,400 in damages! Samsung wanted $6 million. LOL!

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They beat me to this comment:
"They've spent more on lawyers in this case, most likely, than this damages award. But both sides will spin."
Hehe


Jury finds Apple infringes Samsung camera folder patent. Ouch. $158,400 in damages. Not so ouch. Day of iPods at Target.
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$119.6M? Seriously? This is a win for Samsung.

 

It's a loss, but a win in aggregate. Lesson: if you're a big corporation crime pays.

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It's a loss, but a win in aggregate. Lesson: if you're a big corporation crime pays.

That said, Samsung have twice now been found to be infringing. I'm guessing that they need to remove the infringing tech (or pay licensing fees) moving forward. Or am I wrong?

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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.
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The amount is disturbing, but what do I know... 

 

Somehow Apple's stock will be punished on Monday.

 

Oh, and you can't spell appeal without Apple.

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Darn it! I was hoping that Samsung would really get what it deserved and the jury decides to really punish them with triple of what Apple asked for... $6.6B would have really make Samsung cry like the little baby that they are.

In my classroom, I give cheaters a very hard time. I hate cheaters and copiers and Samsung is no different.
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ok Apple.. fire up the next lawsuit for the 2013 devices.  guess this will be an annual event.

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I had a feeling this jury couldn't see the forest for the trees and these results confirm that suspicion.

 

Next, I'd really love to see Apple get extremely aggressive about their acquisitions and start buying up critical suppliers to Samsung to cut the beast off where they live and work.

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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.

lol. 1000x less in magnitude.   Bet Samsung paid more than $158K for the patents. lol..  nice one.

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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.

 

What's weird is that Samsung succeeded in devaluing its own patents, but not in devaluing Apple's (at least not to the extent that they wanted to).

 

Overall, it's a much better day for Samsung than the last trial, but the larger message is that both sides have a stronger reason to reach a permanent settlement. They have a duopoly on smartphones right now and it's shaping up that way on the tablet side, as well. Neither is going to knock the other out of the game with IP.

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The moral of the story? American patents don't protect American companies from jack****...or Apple needs to spend a heck of a lot more to corner the market and fence Samsung and Google in.

 

We should know shortly if due to willful infringement damages are doubled or trebled...or maybe no additional amount.

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