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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.

 

What's weird is that Samsung succeeded in devaluing its own patents, but not in devaluing Apple's (at least not to the extent that they wanted to).

 

Overall, it's a much better day for Samsung than the last trial, but the larger message is that both sides have a stronger reason to reach a permanent settlement. They have a duopoly on smartphones right now and it's shaping up that way on the tablet side, as well. Neither is going to knock the other out of the game with IP.

there has a definite change in tone in the media of late with Samsung. Ever since the Smart Gear and S5, its been all bad.  Same with Amazon and Google.   Something has changed.  The media has done a 180. 

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I am very piss off at Samsung CEO. I feel like to smack his face with his shit galaxy phone.
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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.

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I'm sure Samsung will spin it as a win but do a Google News search and the majority of headline read: Jury Finds Samsung Infringed...that's not a PR win,

I can't wait for it all to be over so we can stop obsessing on stupid Samsung.
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For the little it's worth Apple was also found to be an infringer.

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does not even cover their attorney fees, let alone what they paid for the patents they bought.

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Vacate the verdict.  Award $2billion to Apple.

 

What an insult.

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Vacate the verdict.  Award $2billion to Apple.

 

What an insult.

 

Absolutely. Even Judge Koh was ready to start kicking Samsung lawyer butt and taking names at one point.

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Hardly. IMO software patents shouldn't even exist for the most part. Innovation certainly wouldn't stop since all the players would still want as much of my money as they can get. Modern computers were invented, OS's were created from scratch, display tech and silicon chips all created without protection from a single software patent.
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So Apple grossly overestimated the price. Consider this a huge win for Samsung.
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They are breaking out the champagne at Samsung. Steal IP, make billions with it, then claim it's worthless. That apparently is a successful way to do business.

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Is this the end if it. Can they all cross licence and get on with it now? Great if true.
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I know you will cherish it forever and ever. 1wink.gif

Hardly. IMO software patents shouldn't even exist for the most part. Innovation certainly wouldn't stop since all the players would still want as much of my money as they can get. Modern computers were invented, OS's were created from scratch, display tech and silicon chips all created without protection from a single software patent.

you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.  

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The data detectors patent is the last patent I would have expected to be deemed infringed. Linkify just provides the application developer with a search and replace function. The developer decides when to search, what regular expressions to search for, and how to modify the matches. Claiming that Linkify infringes that patent amounts to saying that an application developer cannot search for particular strings in his own app without infringing.


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The moral of the story? American patents don't protect American companies from jack****...or Apple needs to spend a heck of a lot more to corner the market and fence Samsung and Google in.

 

We should know shortly if due to willful infringement damages are doubled or trebled...or maybe no additional amount.

Exactly. This was an easy call. American's see this as a victimless crime. It was always going to be hard for a jury to see Apple as a victim, or in some way being badly hurt by Samsung. 

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Is this the end if it. Can they all cross licence and get on with it now? Great if true.

 

One can only hope. It's all getting a bit old.

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So Apple grossly overestimated the price. Consider this a huge win for Samsung.

 

How can it possibly be a win for Samsung if they were found to be infringing? Only in a parallel evil universe is this a win for Samsung. Their products are crap, they can't innovate anything without waiting for Apple to do it first. Apple should plant a manchurian candidate inside of Samsung and detonate the company from within. The world would be a better place without Samshit.

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So Apple grossly overestimated the price. Consider this a huge win for Samsung.
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You're on trial and could face the death penalty. You get 20 years instead. You're still getting raped by a guy named Bruce. It ain't a win.


The real question is why am I even responding to you?

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you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.  

The Constitution didn't put software patents in place. That came from the courts who now appear to be going back in the other direction to rein them in.
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The key part is wilfully infringed, Apple are probably already drafting the next case, newer devices, another set of patents.

What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.
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you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.  

The Constitution didn't put software patents in place. That came from the courts who now appear to be going back in the other direction to rein them in.

no.  The constitution covers patents under Article I, Section 8, Clause 8

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You're right, but you can't blame the poor jury (who are non technical) to get this right. Not to worry though, through appeals & prior art invalidity Apple won't get a dime and will eventually (5 years too late) realise the best tactic is to be aggressive in the market place, not the court room. Bring on the Apple phablet style phones to compete with Samsung, which should have been here two years ago. Silly strategy Apple, bad for your shareholders.

I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is

I'll just wait here...

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Only one thing I can say after hearing the verdict...  Oh what a beautiful mooooorning, oh what a beautiful day !! 1smile.gif Suck it Apple, and go compete in the market place while you still can.  "Thermonuclear" option? more like self destruct if Apple aren't careful. 

You do know that Apple is taking 85% of the money "the marketplace" is worth.
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no.  The constitution covers patents under Article I, Section 8
, Clause 8

Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.
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How can it possibly be a win for Samsung if they were found to be infringing? Only in a parallel evil universe is this a win for Samsung. Their products are crap, they can't innovate anything without waiting for Apple to do it first. Apple should plant a manchurian candidate inside of Samsung and detonate the company from within. The world would be a better place without Samshit.

Apple was found to infringe as well. So Apple is just as guilty. Apple are thieves as well. If you take out the money side of things both companies stole from each other.
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You're on trial and could face the death penalty. You get 20 years instead. You're still getting raped by a guy named Bruce. It ain't a win.


The real question is why am I even responding to you?

I don't think anyone murdered anyone in this trial. I might of missed it but I don't think so. Those are not even closely related as APPLE STOLE as well.
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Apple was found to infringe as well. So Apple is just as guilty. Apple are thieves as well. If you take out the money side of things both companies stole from each other.
I don't think anyone murdered anyone in this trial. I might of missed it but I don't think so. Those are not even closely related as APPLE STOLE as well.

Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!

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The key part is wilfully infringed, Apple are probably already drafting the next case, newer devices, another set of patents.

What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.
IIRC willfulness was found by the jury in the last Apple/Samsung trial too. It's not the jury's to award tho.
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Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!

Like it or not he is correct. You can't spin or slant being found guilty by a jury. 

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Jury finds Apple infringed Samsung camera folder patent...$158,400 in damages! Samsung wanted $6 million. LOL!

 

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I had a feeling this jury couldn't see the forest for the trees and these results confirm that suspicion.

 

Next, I'd really love to see Apple get extremely aggressive about their acquisitions and start buying up critical suppliers to Samsung to cut the beast off where they live and work.

You may recall the older verdict and the issue of jury forms (verge link). If the issue was better thought out this time, you will have some opportunity to see how they arrived at those numbers. It will be interesting to see what happens there. In the case of $2 billion, there would still be some basis for calculations there other than what was requested. Infringement can occur outside of willful copying of competitors, so if it was a matter of whatever the plaintiff company requests, any large corporation could potentially bankrupt a smaller competitor by demanding a large enough retroactive amount.

 

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Vacate the verdict.  Award $2billion to Apple.

 

What an insult.

 

How did you arrive at such an exact figure?

 

 

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The key part is wilfully infringed, Apple are probably already drafting the next case, newer devices, another set of patents.

What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.

 

I don't see why it's necessary to always make these things about nationality. It's likely that the people you should be angry at represent a small percentage of the overall employees at Samsung. Trying to extrapolate like that is insulting to the others. You know they have offices in the US. Do you hate everyone at the US subsidiaries?

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Didn't say that at all... Apple is doing well in the market place... they could be doing even better if they spend their millions on further marketing and research, releasing competing products (phablet, iwatch) than than give MoFo millions $$ to play out the legal theatrics.. 
That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...

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Like it or not he is correct. You can't spin or slant being found guilty by a jury. 
He said its a win for samsung because Apple was trying to get 2.2 bil and only got 120m. I said that's like being on trial facing the death penalty and getting 20 years. You ain't happy either way, and you're sure as hell still guilty.
He said samsung (who was found guilty of WILLFULL infringement) wins, not loses.
I said what you said. Willfully guilty is as guilty as it gets.

I think you agree with me, yes?

If your stance is apple is just as guilty, id like you to look up the definition of Willfull vs standard infringement. It's the equivalent of 1st degree murder vs manslaughter and saying those are the same.

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Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?

Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
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you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.  

 

Please show us where the terms "patent" or "intellectual property" appear in the U.S. constitution.

 

EDIT:  Yes, I know about "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."  But it's up to Congress and SCOTUS to determine how that is enacted. So you do not have to "change the constitution" to effect change.


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From President Obama to Tim Cook.

 

Tim, 

 

Sorry to hear things didn't go your way.

 

Sent from my Galaxy S5. 

this from a guy who vetoed Samsung's injunction on old Apple phones and carries an iPad.  keep dreaming. 

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in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty

 

It is also FACT that Samsung was found guilty of more than one infringement whereas Apple had only one. It is FACT that the jury and the judge both deemed Apple's infringement of a much lesser scale than Samsung's. The world is not black & white, no matter how many times and how hard you try to portray it so.

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Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?

Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.

The difference is Apple was guilty of driving with a blinker light out. $20 fine

Samsung was guilty of T-boning another car at a red light. $100,000 settlement, suspended license, and jail time
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Huh? He said its a win for samsung. So I assume you mean to AGREE with me that he's out of his mind.

It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.

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That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...

Or the lawyers could be let go, seeing as they haven't achieved much.
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this from a guy who vetoed Samsung's injunction on old Apple phones and carries an iPad.  keep dreaming. 

It was a joke. Besides if you're aware of our current political situation you never want Obama backing you. 

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Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.

 

To which SCOTUS rulings are you referring? Are you mistakenly referring to Judge Posner, the anti-capitalist?

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It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.

You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?

Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.

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