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Apple rumored to launch 4.7-inch 'iPhone 6' in August, larger model in September

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According to the latest rumblings out of the Far East, Apple is planning to debut the 4.7-inch version of its next-generation iPhone in August and may follow up with a larger model a month later.

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Reuters on Friday pointed to a report from Taiwan's Economic Daily News that cited unnamed sources in Apple's supply chain as saying the hotly anticipated "iPhone 6" could be unveiled in August, one month earlier than the company's usual product cycle.

Light on details, the Taiwanese publication claims Apple will release the 4.7-inch version of its flagship handset before a larger 5.5-inch or 5.6-inch model debuts in September. Rumors of a 5.6-inch iPhone has been tossed out before -- most recently in February by the same newspaper -- though prevailing speculation points to a 5.5-inch screen size.

While initial market availability is unknown, sources expect Apple's partner suppliers to produce a total of 80 million iPhone 6 models by the end of 2014.

Friday's rumor adds to the near daily stream of supposed parts leaks, mockups and inside information regarding Apple's next iPhone. On Thursday, it was reported that Pegatron will be responsible for 15 percent of all 4.7-inch iPhone 6 orders, a change from Apple's usual reliance on Foxconn to build its premium tier handsets.

For 2014, Apple is widely expected to debut two new top-end iPhones with larger screens that appeal to a wider swath of consumers. Until today, most reports speculated that the smaller version of Apple's iPhone 6 would launch in September, while the larger iteration would see release months later due to issues related to display and battery yields.
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That sounds great since most OEMs unveil their devices during the IFA September event leaving August all to Apple.
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A 4.7", 5.5" and now a 5.6" model?
Apple is turning into a certain Korean company who shall not be named. /s

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80 million iPhones in 4 months? What is Cook crazy? They sold 53 million this past Christmas quarter. So last year, if they released the 5s in August, they would have sold 70 million. This year, they are releasing 2 new sizes, are expanding into China Mobile daily, have tens of millions wanting a larger iPhone, and they plan on building 10% more? I know it's a rumor, but to think Apple will produce anything less than 110 million iPhone 6's is foolish. However, it's possible the 80 million figure refers to the 4.7" version only.
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80 million iPhones in 4 months? What is Cook crazy? They sold 53 million this past Christmas quarter. So last year, if they released the 5s in August, they would have sold 70 million. This year, they are releasing 2 new sizes, are expanding into China Mobile daily, have tens of millions wanting a larger iPhone, and they plan on building 10% more? I know it's a rumor, but to think Apple will produce anything less than 110 million iPhone 6's is foolish. However, it's possible the 80 million figure refers to the 4.7" version only.

There was an article that mentioned that Apple had reached 500,000 iPhones a day in production, so if they were operating 24/7 at that level, they could produce 45 Million units in 3 months.  So, hopefully they have/are going to increase that production level enough to meet these high production levels.  They did off load MacPro production to the US, and I'm assuming they will be doing the same for the iMacs/MacMinis once they announce new refresh models later this year, which would at least free up the physical space to increase production levels.  That's at least one logical way they might be able to reach that production level.  I know it's ambitious, but time will tell how well they can meet the demand.

 

I just hope it doesn't take them 6 months to be able to ship new orders within 24 hours, which is ultimately the goal.  I don't think Apple is going to have a demand issue as much as they might have a production issue and it permeates all of the way to each of the component mfg.

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Another article of the same thing.... Ughh
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5.7 will not be iPhone, its going to be new iPod
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I don't see them releasing a 4.7 iPhone and then a month later and saying here is the 5.5.  I know too many iPad 3 buyers who were pissed when the iPad 4 came out 6 months later.  I could however see Apple announcing both versions and releasing the 4.7 immediately to 2 weeks and the 5.5 at a later date.

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Makes sense.

A slow creep starting with the 4.7" means that when the big phone comes out it looks less like a capitulation to consumer demand.
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2 new iPhone models within a months time? Who would actually believe such a thing?

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Just this week canadian wireless companies have all drop the prices of the iPhone 5c and 5s on a 24 month contract which, as per experience, signifies something is up for June. Hmm, I don't think the new iPhone is up for release on August, it would be earlier..
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Apple buying Beats??!!

 

Apple releasing a new phone in August??!!

 

Apple releasing a 5.6" phone??!!

 

Tim!! Put those down!! Those are not M&Ms!!!

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5.7 will not be iPhone, its going to be new iPod

 

Agreed. No way Apple releases an iPhone that's over 5". If anything it will finally be an iPod touch with a "Wi-Fi + Cellular" model just like the iPad. They haven't updated the iPod touch in a long time, it's due. And Apple is taking out the "phablet" market.

 

4", 4.7" iPhone models

4", 5.5" iPod touch models (Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi + Cellular)

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I don't see them releasing a 4.7 iPhone and then a month later and saying here is the 5.5.  I know too many iPad 3 buyers who were pissed when the iPad 4 came out 6 months later.  I could however see Apple announcing both versions and releasing the 4.7 immediately to 2 weeks and the 5.5 at a later date.

 

If both versions indeed exists, then this is what its referring to. A simultaneous announcement, with separate release dates, much like the iPads last year.

 

And it probably makes sense to release the smaller model first as it will likely be cheaper and prove more popular than the 5.5

 

Despite what analysts think and bloggers may post, most people don't want a 5.5" phone.

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Agreed. No way Apple releases an iPhone that's over 5". If anything it will finally be an iPod touch with a "Wi-Fi + Cellular" model just like the iPad. They haven't updated the iPod touch in a long time, it's due. And Apple is taking out the "phablet" market.

 

4", 4.7" iPhone models

4", 5.5" iPod touch models (Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi + Cellular)

 

Doesn't make sense to label it as an iPod. Not in the slightest. It barely makes sense to call the current iPod touch an iPod. Making it 5.5" and adding cellular radio for DATA only makes it an iPad. Far more iPad than iPod. People are more likely to buy an iPad than iPod.

 

You think it doesn't matter which vowel in used in the name for the 5.5" device, but it certainly does.

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Cook is supposedly this supply-chain genius, yet year after year it seems like we read about demand outstripping supply. The new Mac won't reach balance within 6 months of release. How is this possible? Is it deliberate? If it again happens this fall, as an investor, I'm tired of it. Anyone else think 80 million iPhones over 4 months is low?
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Cook is supposedly this supply-chain genius, yet year after year it seems like we read about demand outstripping supply. The new Mac won't reach balance within 6 months of release. How is this possible? Is it deliberate? If it again happens this fall, as an investor, I'm tired of it. Anyone else think 80 million iPhones over 4 months is low?

 

Not me. Apple would be damned near at absolutely full throttle hitting 70 million in 4 months let alone 80.

 

Apple knows its capacity level and its selling level. I'm sure that TC wouldn't want to pay for another factory unless he was absolutely positive that it would be used for nothing less than extra 7-9 million units a month. The idea of opening up a new factory to product another 2-3 million units a month would be abhorrent to him.

 

Right now I think Apple has the capacity to hit 70 million in 4 months... but hitting sales above 70 million is the question.

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If both versions indeed exists, then this is what its referring to. A simultaneous announcement, with separate release dates, much like the iPads last year.

And it probably makes sense to release the smaller model first as it will likely be cheaper and prove more popular than the 5.5

Despite what analysts think and bloggers may post, most people don't want a 5.5" phone.

Agree, that most people won't want the 5.5", however the number that do will still be very substantial. Story after story portrays Asians as using phablets in lieu of tablets. It will definitely take a large % of the Note's market share. I'm hoping it comes in at 5.6" to put it closer to the Note's size, but without infringing on the iPad mini, which will still be substantially larger. I don't see as much cannibalization as some project.
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Not me. Apple would be damned near at absolutely full throttle hitting 70 million in 4 months let alone 80.

Apple knows its capacity level and its selling level. I'm sure that TC wouldn't want to pay for another factory unless he was absolutely positive that it would be used for nothing less than extra 7-9 million units a month. The idea of opening up a new factory to product another 2-3 million units a month would be abhorrent to him.

Right now I think Apple has the capacity to hit 70 million in 4 months... but hitting sales above 70 million is the question.

Apple sold near 70 million in the last 4 months of 2013. That would be very little growth.

Wonder what the mix was? Maybe they only sold 40-45 million 5S'. That's where I'm getting confused. 80 million iPhone 6's and another 20-30 million older iPhones seems more plausible. Anyone know if the 5S will be discontinued?
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Apple sold near 70 million in the last 4 months of 2013. That would be very little growth.

Wonder what the mix was? Maybe they only sold 40-45 million 5S'. That's where I'm getting confused. 80 million iPhone 6's and another 20-30 million older iPhones seems more plausible. Anyone know if the 5S will be discontinued?

 

Moving from 30 million to 40 million is doable. Moving from 40 million to 47 million is doable. Moving from 47 million to 52 million is harder... and so on and so on...  (per quarter)

 

I think that Apple can do 60 million in the holiday quarter. Tops. I think production would break down severely at that level.

 

Add another 14 million in the last month of the 4th fiscal quarter and you've got the absolute limit that I see before people have to wait 6-7 weeks to get a phone, yet still not enough demand to open another factory.

 

imo... 80 million of one phone in  4 months is ridiculous.

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Despite what analysts think and bloggers may post, most people don't want a 5.5" phone.

The trick is to make a lot of noise.

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Doesn't make sense to label it as an iPod. Not in the slightest. It barely makes sense to call the current iPod touch an iPod. Making it 5.5" and adding cellular radio for DATA only makes it an iPad. Far more iPad than iPod. People are more likely to buy an iPad than iPod.

 

You think it doesn't matter which vowel in used in the name for the 5.5" device, but it certainly does.

 

Sorry, completely disagree... It would make zero sense to call it an iPad if it didn't run iPad apps - the screen, even at 5.5" is WAY too small to run iPad apps. The size and dimensions (4:3) of the iPad screens are specifically designed for running a different class of apps. Calling it an iPad, but not being able to run iPad apps would just confuse the hell out of users. That is why the iPod touch is not called an "iPad nano" or something. It is a different class of device.

 

I know quite a few people who do not have an iPhone but do have an iPod touch and use it in place of a mobile phone - the only down side is that they need to be connected to Wi-Fi to use it. Having a cell radio in the iPod touch makes as much sense as having one in an iPad and maybe even more so, since they're much more mobile than the iPad.

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They'd still need to update the 4 inch with latest specs, and three new phones won't happen = no 5.5 inch phone. Something else is going on here.
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I don't see them releasing a 4.7 iPhone and then a month later and saying here is the 5.5.  I know too many iPad 3 buyers who were pissed when the iPad 4 came out 6 months later.  I could however see Apple announcing both versions and releasing the 4.7 immediately to 2 weeks and the 5.5 at a later date.

They might have been pissed but they got over it. They kept using their perfectly good iPad 3's or decided to sell them and buy a newer model. 

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They'd still need to update the 4 inch with latest specs, and three new phones won't happen = no 5.5 inch phone. Something else is going on here.

Who says it will get updated? This is likely the EOL for the 4" at least as a premium model. Slap a plastic case on the 5s and boom...introducing the iPhone 6c. 

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Sorry, completely disagree... It would make zero sense to call it an iPad if it didn't run iPad apps - the screen, even at 5.5" is WAY too small to run iPad apps. The size and dimensions (4:3) of the iPad screens are specifically designed for running a different class of apps. Calling it an iPad, but not being able to run iPad apps would just confuse the hell out of users. That is why the iPod touch is not called an "iPad nano" or something. It is a different class of device.

 

I know quite a few people who do not have an iPhone but do have an iPod touch and use it in place of a mobile phone - the only down side is that they need to be connected to Wi-Fi to use it. Having a cell radio in the iPod touch makes as much sense as having one in an iPad and maybe even more so, since they're much more mobile than the iPad.

 

Good points and I mostly agree. I have been wondering the last few years when the iPod Touch would also offer a cellular data version like the iPad. Seems a natural progression to keep it relevant. I still think there is room or a 5.5" iPhone as well though. I imagine the iPod touch would remain at 4" as an entry level product. 4" for the iPod and "C" model iPhones which will offer a clear delineation between the iPhone with much larger displays. 

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Follow the ipad pattern

 

2 ipads, exactly the same except size

 

2 iphone6, exactly the same except size.

 

4.7 $199

5.5 $299

 

makes perfect sense

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Let me tell you who ISN'T working for Samsung: Samsung just kicked their head of mobile design to the curb. Donghoon Chang, most responsible for the company's flagship Galaxy phones is on the street with his resumé. This is not a rumor... total fact!
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Doesn't make sense to label it as an iPod. Not in the slightest. It barely makes sense to call the current iPod touch an iPod. Making it 5.5" and adding cellular radio for DATA only makes it an iPad. Far more iPad than iPod. People are more likely to buy an iPad than iPod.

 

You think it doesn't matter which vowel in used in the name for the 5.5" device, but it certainly does.

 

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Sorry, completely disagree... It would make zero sense to call it an iPad if it didn't run iPad apps - the screen, even at 5.5" is WAY too small to run iPad apps. The size and dimensions (4:3) of the iPad screens are specifically designed for running a different class of apps. Calling it an iPad, but not being able to run iPad apps would just confuse the hell out of users. That is why the iPod touch is not called an "iPad nano" or something. It is a different class of device.

 

I know quite a few people who do not have an iPhone but do have an iPod touch and use it in place of a mobile phone - the only down side is that they need to be connected to Wi-Fi to use it. Having a cell radio in the iPod touch makes as much sense as having one in an iPad and maybe even more so, since they're much more mobile than the iPad.


Not holding my breath, but I agree there might well be a market for a non-phone that ran all the phone apps in a mostly pocketable size. 

 

For one thing, "iPod" is an iconic brand (that set so much in motion) maybe worth a little reviving...

...4G and a larger screen (and maybe a pretty bitchin' camera in the space saved by removing the phone bits) would be grounds for such a revival... ...and also differentiate it from both the iPhone and iPad.

For another, using phones as phones is a disappearing behavior for many, so why not have the cheapest dumb phone and plan around from whatever carrier or secondary carrier even for infrequent calls and casual texting and one of these for the rest of what an iPhone does.  And save quite a few bucks on the monthly bill...?

I have a smart phone bought off contract not connected to T-Mob yet (because I didn't move to the area I thought I was headed for that has good TM service yet) and use it as a WiFi device around the home and at coffee shops/cable company hotspots all over the area... ...and well worth what I paid for it for that alone.

I also know several people with smaller iPods who use them as their main net access device, and their main complaint is screen size.

The question to me would be if the niche looked large enough to Cupertino (and how people would howl if Apple offered a 5-5.5" device that wasn't a complete iPhone without offering a phone).

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