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To those skeptics, I'm right there with you... But it was when Apple introduced the iPod! Oh, yes...

On Apple rumors and blog sites there were "discussions" about when Apple would update the OS and here comes Apple with this iPod thingy instead and I'm like WTF and the same admonishment from bewildered naysayers with their comments today were similar to mine way back when.

Glad Steve Jobs was Apple CEO and not me, as the money that the iPod and iTunes Music Store raked in would be nil if I was in charge and where would Apple have been and its stock price be had Jobs never gone that route?

I'm sure Apple has its long term range on what it envisions, if this rumored deal is true. I'm not saying you can't berate Tim Cook for an asinine purchase, but at least have the facts on your side when you do. Which only time will tell. Regarding your stock, you should always keep an eye on that and whether you should sell now or later.
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I think many of your are just prejudice of black people.

 

Sorry, I had to say it.

Well rest assured, I've judged you only the the basis of your comment and not on the colour of your skin.

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post #43 of 174
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Every athlete and celebrity wears beats. 

 

Which clearly shows that they are a fashion accessory. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just premium fashion.

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You are completely off base with both of those comments. Tesla makes a profit, they paid their government loan off in record time, and welfare checks have absolutely nothing to do with tesla owners. Beats owners, maybe, but tesla owners no.

As for beats being classy; they certainly are classier than Samsung. Just because most of the naysayers here don't understand them doesn't mean they are an illegitimate brand. They are doing something right to earn $1.5 billion/year. Every athlete and celebrity wears beats. They have turned the noticeable Apple white headphone look into something even more noticeable. They clearly know how to market their brand. Combine that with the music industry connections, and I'm a fan of this rumor.

 

off base?

 

Tesla lost $70M in 2013.

Tesla lost $400M in 2012.

 

They would lose even more if the government stopped the tax credits people get for buying Tesla cars.

 

So yes they are living off WELFARE CHECKS from the government.  With out governement help they would be OUT OF BUSINESS.

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Hmmm. Why does the tone of most of the panic stricken posts here and elsewhere on this subject remind me of the right wing's feelings about the president?
What is similar?... What could it be?

I'm calling it "Donald Sterling Disease" for lack of a better term and being brutally honest what I'm thinking it is. 1oyvey.gif
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post #46 of 174
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As a middle aged white guy who proudly voted for Obama twice, I have to say that your statement is the biggest pile of steaming horse manure I have come across in years. Beats are a poor excuse for a headphone. EVERY MODEL can be beaten on a sound quality basis for a third of the money. That is the ONLY reason behind my belief that this is an absurd acquisition. Beats us a horrible value for the money. My disdain in solely based on quality. If you want to bring race into this, the only thing I see is another version of black on black crime.

 

some of you middle aged white guys just dont get it do you.

 

Its not about PERFORMANCE.

Its about STYLE.

 

Seriously.  Go out some time and do some research.

 

You think women spend $4000 on a Louis Vutton bag because it PERFORMS better than a Urban Outfitters bag that cost 10x cheaper?

 

Really? 

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This is awesome!

Some people just don't understand the kind of media connections iTunes is getting in this deal...

Jimmy Iovine is a senior executive at Vivendi Universal Music Group.
Beats investor Carlyle Group / Len Blatvatnik recently bought Warner Music Group.
Vivendi owns about 14% of Beats.

iTunes is about to become the biggest money maker for Apple.
iTunes will own the global music industry if they didn't already. 1smile.gif
Wake up people. This is huge for Apple.

As soon as Apple closes this deal and really takes it Global, it will be worth 10 times more.

Thank you for explaining.
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post #48 of 174
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Tesla makes ZERO money.

 

They would go bankrupt if it wasn't for GOVERNMENT WELFARE checks.

Please don't post uninformed nonsense. (Ok... redundancy...)

 

Tesla took a loan from the DoE, every cent of which was paid back a while ago.

 

As to 'government subsidies,' quite apart from the fact that $7,500 is a small amount in the scheme of things for a typical Tesla vehicle, what about, say the free bandwidth that taxpayers provide for the TV you watch, the local monopoly that the government allows for the cable you subscribe to, funding that led to the internet that led to companies like Amazon, Google, and Apple that you no doubt patronize, ¢40 on every medical equipment/hospital/pharmaceutical dollar that comes from Medicare/Medicaid despite the fact that you use (of will use) those services, the deposit insurance subsidy that the banks get that protect your money, the defense dollars that the Boeings, GEs, UTCs, Lockheeds, Honeywells etc get that protect you...... I could go on.

 

Get off your high horse. Or I dare you to live completely free from a single government dollar ion your daily life.


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Well rest assured, I've judged you only the the basis of your comment and not on the colour of your skin.

 

I'm not black by the way.

 

But i can read in between the lines.

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It is the first I'm really questioning Tim's judgement

It's hard for me to think of a worst fit in terms of company culture, product, and business strategy. It fails in all three

 

You like iTunes media's pretty interface but you apparently have no idea where it comes from and how Apple gets it.

Apple would never be able to get what they are getting with Beats on their own.  It's a matter of trust and old boys club.

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some of you middle aged white guys just dont get it do you.

Its not about PERFORMANCE.
Its about STYLE.

Seriously.  Go out some time and do some research.

You think women spend $4000 on a Louis Vutton bag because it PERFORMS better than a Urban Outfitters bag that cost 10x cheaper?

Really? 
Ah so iPhones iPads and Macs are a out style, not performance. And Apple is just a fashion company. Got it.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
 

Please don't post uninformed nonsense. (Ok... redundancy...)

 

Tesla took a loan from the DoE, every cent of which was paid back a while ago.

 

They benefit from MILLIONS of dollars of tax credits when people buy their cars.

 

They have yet to turn a profit in the last 3 years.

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Ah so iPhones iPads and Macs are a out style, not performance. And Apple is just a fashion company. Got it.

 

So why did they hire the CEO of Burberry?

 

I guarantee they will improve the performance of the Beats headphones also.

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Why do girls/women spend $4000 on a Louis Vutton bag?

Why do boys/men spend $120 on Nike Shoes?

Why do people spend $300 for Beats headphones?

 

Use your brain people.

 

Its about STYLE.

 

Apple has hired the CEO of Burburry

Apple has hired  of Paul Deneve CEO of  Yves Saint Laurent

 

So obvious whats going on

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I'm calling it "Donald Sterling Disease" for lack of a better term and being brutally honest what I'm thinking it is. 1oyvey.gif

That would be sad if true. I just don't like mushy-heavy bass for my part but I can see there is far more to this than headphones.
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some of you middle aged white guys just dont get it do you.

Its not about PERFORMANCE.
Its about STYLE.

Seriously.  Go out some time and do some research.

You think women spend $4000 on a Louis Vutton bag because it PERFORMS better than a Urban Outfitters bag that cost 10x cheaper?

Really? 

Apple doesn't need to pay for style, they need to buy technology and IP that leapfrogs and/or cuts the hamstrings of their competitors. If this deal punches a hole in Samsung or Android, it might be worth it.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

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post #57 of 174
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I have, hence my comment. Look, I just don't think Apple is the kind of company that wants to be associated with rappers doing their 'MF' thing on camera. Does that make me childish?

 

Yes it does make you very childish.

It's easy for you to push the pretty little buttons on iTunes and iPhones to listen to sweet music.

Do you have any idea where the music comes from and what it takes to make the music business work?

Just how old are you really?  Grow up already!

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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Why do girls/women spend $4000 on a Louis Vutton bag?
Why do boys/men spend $120 on Nike Shoes?
Why do people spend $300 for Beats headphones?

Use your brain people.

Its about STYLE.

Apple has hired the CEO of Burburry
Apple has hired  of Paul Deneve CEO of  Yves Saint Laurent

So obvious whats going on

Or it could be more about those things AppleSauce007 pointed out above.
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They benefit from MILLIONS of dollars of tax credits when people buy their cars.

 

They have yet to turn a profit in the last 3 years.

I'll report the piece that I added to my previous reply:

 

As to 'government subsidies,' quite apart from the fact that $7,500 is a small amount in the scheme of things for a typical Tesla vehicle, what about, say the free bandwidth that taxpayers provide for the TV you watch, the local monopoly that the government allows for the cable you subscribe to, funding that led to the internet that led to companies like Amazon, Google, and Apple that you no doubt patronize, ¢40 on every medical equipment/hospital/pharmaceutical dollar that comes from Medicare/Medicaid despite the fact that you use (of will use) those services, the deposit insurance subsidy that the banks get that protect your money, the defense dollars that the Boeings, GEs, UTCs, Lockheeds, Honeywells etc get that protect you...... I could go on.

 

Get off your high horse. Or I dare you to live completely free from a single government dollar ion your daily life.

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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Its not about PERFORMANCE.

Its about STYLE.

 

So explain why Apple would want these airheads and their improperly balanced audio?

 

Again, nothing has confirmed the purchase. Other than hundreds of complete idiots online claiming the purchase is confirmed.

 

Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post
Do you have any idea where the music comes from and what it takes to make the music business work?

Just how old are you really?  Grow up already!

 

What does any of that have to do with the atonality of “rap”? What are you implying that Apple is not already capable of doing? Do you have any reason to have posted this at all other than you have been somehow personally offended by someone else not having a taste for disgusting semi-music?

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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

I have, hence my comment. Look, I just don't think Apple is the kind of company that wants to be associated with rappers doing their 'MF' thing on camera. Does that make me childish?
NO, it doesn't.

However, it does appear that your trying to block out the very fact that African Americans are far more successful in the music biz (and in general) than you give them credit for. Their cultural idiosyncrasies and fun with colorful language shouldn't discriminate against them from enjoying Apple tech just like all of us Lilly-White-Bread-Old-Folks around here. If anything, I think their inclusion and cultural influence will take some of the brand-heat off of the "traditional" Apple fans (see LWBOF above).

As much as it pains me to say, SJ is dead and his personal taste in music is not future-forward and all inclusive, what with Dillon, Beatles, U2, Cold Play etc. making up his playlists. Across Europe, Asia and South America the black influence on musical tastes among the younger generation is hard to ignore and has been trending continuously for some time now.

If the addition of Dr. Dre and the South Central dudes adds another level off "cool" to get the young'ns interested in saving up and owning Apple/Beats stuff... I'm not going to be the idiot that says it shouldn't happen.

Sheeeeeeeeet!.... and certainly not for any cultural differences of opinion or language usage......... 1smoking.gif
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post #62 of 174
Can we set some facts straight here?

1. Dr. Dre WAS a rapper; he may still rap but his last album was in 2001. He%u2019s an entrepreneur, producer, businessman, and philanthropist.

2. Tyrese is NOT a rapper. He%u2019s an R&B singer and actor.

Beat Electronics is a very successful business and there are likely many reasons Apple might be interested in such an acquisition. Any good acquisition has to have a solid rationale and business plan and there may be many benefits to acquiring Beat Electronics. Music is still an integral part of Apple%u2019s business.

Let%u2019s wait for the ink to dry and an official announcement before we start jumping from rooftops because we think Tim Cook has lost his mind.
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So explain why Apple would want these airheads and their improperly balanced audio?

Again, nothing has confirmed the purchase. Other than hundreds of complete idiots online claiming the purchase is confirmed.

He just did explain it. It's not about performance, it's about style. Have you not seen a Beats headphone? Have you not seen how they are worn proudly like a piece of jewelry by athletes walking off the bus to the locker room? Have you not seen how recognizable they are?

As for a coupe hundred idiots online: try couple million people. Tmz, business insider, forbes, gizmodo, cnbc, etc have all picked up this story. Get out of your AI forum comfort zone and check out the real world.
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post
 

I think many of your are just prejudice of black people.

 

Sorry, I had to say it.

 

Hate to admit it, but I'm inclined to agree.  But it's operating on a subconscious level, fueling the vehemence of the objections.

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Originally Posted by cuencap View Post
He just did explain it. It's not about performance, it's about style.


So. Why. Would. Apple. Want. These. Airheads.

 
Have you not seen a Beats headphone? Have you not seen how they are worn proudly like a piece of jewelry by athletes walking off the bus to the locker room? Have you not seen how recognizable they are?

 

No, no, and no.

 
As for a coupe hundred idiots online: try couple million people. Tmz, business insider, forbes, gizmodo, cnbc, etc have all picked up this story.

 

Yes, and? A couple million people being complete idiots makes it confirmed before it’s actually confirmed? Good to know; I smell a PhD and a three book deal, as I’ve just discovered a revolutionary economic theory.

 

Originally Posted by sog35 View Post
I think many of your are just prejudice of black people.
Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

Hate to admit it, but I'm inclined to agree.  But it's operating on a subconscious level, fueling the vehemence of the objections.

 

Complete and utter psychosis.

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Apple doesn't need to pay for style, they need to buy technology and IP that leapfrogs and/or cuts the hamstrings of their competitors. If this deal punches a hole in Samsung or Android, it might be worth it.

I would agree with you about IP if Apple had been granted more $$$ from Samsung. I'd rather see Apple take the time to create new products like they have in the past. Along the way they can and should acquire strategic, appropriate companies to help them achieve their goal. If this rumor materializes, then I would say Beats fits a vision or gameplan that they have.
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"Beats is not thought to have much in the way of proprietary technology, generally the driver of acquisitions for Apple. The company's streaming music rights are also unlikely to be transferable, meaning they would need to be renegotiated regardless of the deal's structure."

 

​Meh… Just as speculative as anything else published so far.

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So. Why. Would. Apple. Want. These. Airheads.

No, no, and no.

Thank you for proving to everyone how ignorant you are.

You know nothing about Beats but you're here judging them.
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Originally Posted by MattBookAir View Post

One thing I've noticed whenever entering an Apple Store. After Apple products, the most square footage is occupied by headphones. That means they sell, and Apple knows which ones sell best. Why not make all the profit, instead of being just the middle man for someone else? It also fits, as has been pointed out, with the intersection of fashion and tech ... this is where Apple excels, and something they intend to build on, with the hiring of Ahrendts.

I agree, 3.2B is a lot (and this video doesn't confirm that figure). But I'm not sure this is quite as silly as it seems. I agree the Dr. Dre phones aren't great (other Beats models are better though). But I'm sure Apple has some pretty interesting plans if they're investing these sums.

Even if Apple wanted to sell headphones, it still doesn't makes sense for them to buy another company to do so. They didn't buy Nokia to get into the smartphone industry, although the barrier of entry into that market was infinitely higher than the market for headphones.

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Beats does $1.5 billion a year in sales.

Beats Streaming is the best streaming app & service around.

Apple gets a successful brand name, significant cash flow, and the ability to go toe-to-toe on streaming with a superior service.

One last thing: the rumored selling price is the same amount Google spent for fricking NEST! Which do you think is a better deal and a better fit?

What's the complaining about again? 1wink.gif

There isn't a "significant cash flow" with Beats. Also, Apple doesn't buy companies for their brand.

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This might sound intolerant but things like these are the reason I hate hip hop culture so much. Constantly "showing off".
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

 

So explain why Apple would want these airheads and their improperly balanced audio?

 

Again, nothing has confirmed the purchase. Other than hundreds of complete idiots online claiming the purchase is confirmed.

 

 

What does any of that have to do with the atonality of “rap”? What are you implying that Apple is not already capable of doing? Do you have any reason to have posted this at all other than you have been somehow personally offended by someone else not having a taste for disgusting semi-music?

 

You have no idea what Apple is buying here...  hence your predilection for irrelevancy.

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I'll report the piece that I added to my previous reply:

 

As to 'government subsidies,' quite apart from the fact that $7,500 is a small amount in the scheme of things for a typical Tesla vehicle, what about, say the free bandwidth that taxpayers provide for the TV you watch, the local monopoly that the government allows for the cable you subscribe to, funding that led to the internet that led to companies like Amazon, Google, and Apple that you no doubt patronize, ¢40 on every medical equipment/hospital/pharmaceutical dollar that comes from Medicare/Medicaid despite the fact that you use (of will use) those services, the deposit insurance subsidy that the banks get that protect your money, the defense dollars that the Boeings, GEs, UTCs, Lockheeds, Honeywells etc get that protect you...... I could go on.

 

Get off your high horse. Or I dare you to live completely free from a single government dollar ion your daily life.

 

I pay over $40,000 every year in taxes. 

 

No way in fuk do i get even near that amount of services from the government.  So yes I don't live off of the government.

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This might sound intolerant but things like these are the reason I hate hip hop culture so much. Constantly "showing off".

 

Hello, is that you Mr Sterling?

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Originally Posted by cuencap View Post
Thank you for proving to everyone how ignorant you are. You know nothing about Beats but you're here judging them.
Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

You have no idea what Apple is buying here...  hence your predilection for irrelevancy.

 

Thanks for not even bothering to answer my question (and for the nonsensical assumptions). I will continue to assume that there may be some sort of answer, as your complete and utter ignorance thereof does not preclude its existence.

 

However, I still don’t buy it and restate the question for anyone smart enough to answer. Then why would Apple want these airheads?

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post #76 of 174

Imagine a globally available subscription of Music / Audio and TV / Video.

 

What company in the world can offer such a subscription?

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Thanks for not even bothering to answer my question (and for the nonsensical assumptions). I will continue to assume that there may be some sort of answer, as your complete and utter ignorance thereof does not preclude its existence.

 

However, I still don’t buy it and restate the question for anyone smart enough to answer. Then why would Apple want these airheads?

 

Apple's purchase of Beats has nothing to do with the people in the video and picture...

One of the musician cofounders is partying a little with some friends about the deal.  So what?

Try to understand why Beats really means to Apple, especially at this time.

If you don't understand then just trust the Apple execs to do the right thing.

Apple is paying about 8 times what they paid for NeXT on this deal.  Their biggest purchase ever.

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Apple's purchase of Beats has nothing to do with the people in the video and picture...

One of the musician cofounders is partying a little with some friends about the deal.  So what?

 

So nothing. I’ve made no comment as to that.

 
Try to understand why Beats really means to Apple, especially at this time.

 

Is Apple lacking in style? No. Do they perform too well and need to perform worse? No.

 

Why would they want Beats if the products are style over performance?

 
If you don't understand then just trust the Apple execs to do the right thing.

 

Would trusting the executives that ousting Jobs was the right thing have been the right thing?

 
Apple is paying about 8 times what they paid for NeXT on this deal.  Their biggest purchase ever.

 

Oh, yes. This idea should therefore NEVER come into question…

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I'm not black by the way.

But i can read in between the lines.
The lines? Like- if you don't want to buy a company owned by a white guy with a black partner, you're a racist?
I also didn't think nest was wise. Clearly because I'm racist against white owners?

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I'm not black by the way.

But i can read in between the lines.

Then you're a clairvoyant?

By the way calling out Beats for having crappy sound does not make you a racist.
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