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“Since when do you have to tell your opponent when he has won?”

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As much as I am convinced this has absolutely nothing to do with Beats's second-rate headphones ... you are absolutely, 100% correct. Beats is currently able to sell crap as gold. Imagine if Apple were to take that brand and actually make that crap not crap anymore, and still sell it at a premium? (Of course, the counterargument is that Apple could in all likelihood do that already without spending the extra money on the Beats brand.)

The outcome would be different.

Beats is cross platform, and music specific. It is available on iOS, Android, and Windows Phone.

Apple and iTunes are heavily associated with iOS and Macs, plus some Windows.
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it is not their earnings .. It is their total rev revenue!

A guesstimate to their earnings would be about aprox 250 tp 300 million !

Apples New mantra if deal goes through!

We will sell you mediocracy but make you feel you have the best.
This is the new apple !? An illusion of the best ! And we are proud of it !

A $250-300 million net gain for 2013 without Apple seems like more than enough profit to make a $3.2 billion deal viable. That's just for one year but you consider their growth without Apple and what Apple could do to make that gene better and it's possible for Apple to see this as a net gain within a couple years.

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“Since when do you have to tell your opponent when he has won?”

when they have no self confidence in themselves and will not leave things alone until they hear what they want to hear.  I figure based on the amazing post count you have compared to mine in the the same period, "keeping face" so important to you that you will stop at nothing. All the time doing damage to yourself they more you prolog denying  your change in position. I'm trying to stop debating this because I frankly have already made my point. enough is enough. Its all in past posts. no point in going on about this.  If you don't feel I had made my point, there is no way in hell I'm going to convince you.  I leave it to others to decide and I don't need to prove it to myself any more than what has already been posted. Anyone interest can read. Anyone else, will appreciate me stopping this stupid thread.


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So NOT every 2 years? You can't even keep you lie straight with a less than 10 word response. Shameful.

And that 3 year difference between the iOS-based iPhone and iOS-based iPad was only ONCE, NOT the very 3 year occurrence you have claimed.

At least I can can read and comprehend- I didn't make the 2 year claim bighype did.
And just so you know there never was a 3 year difference - that's the point. We had a Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad introduced. One was an entirely new product.1rolleyes.gif
 
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Jimmy has 40 plus years of experience and connections in the music industry -- Eddy doesn't have the time to attain equivalent chops!
Eddy has enough on his plate with iCloud, Siri, maps, App Store and Apple TV.
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when they have no self confidence in themselves and will not leave things alone until they hear what they want to hear. I'm trying to give you peace. 

I want to hear you back up your accusations with evidence, not to scurry away with your tail betweens your legs. I gain nothing from your forfeit.

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I would love for you to explain this 180 I've done. Please cite any and all contradictory comments.

Who has the time for that? You've called me a liar and quoted me as bighype. You've lost all credibility today.
 
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A guesstimate to their earnings would be about aprox 250 tp 300 million !

 

250-300 million is nothing, it's a damn joke. Why would Apple even be interested in such small sums and such a small, niche market?

 

Apple has long considered their Apple TV to merely be a hobby, then what's this? A complete waste of time?

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What experience does Apple have in high quality audio? Buzzfeed claims Jimmy Iovine will oversee Apple's music strategy. If true that means Cook and the Board don't have confidence in Eddy Cue's ability to oversee Apple's future music strategy.

Iovine is advisor to Tim Cook, so Cook will have the final say. IMHO, Eddy Cue negotiated with the music execs for iRadio and iTunes. It may be awkward or conflicting for him to negotiate an iTunes killer with the studios. He may not go far enough.

After acquisition, Beats negotiation can be hooked up by Iovine with Cook's support.

Eddy Cue probably should focus on Maps, CarPlay, web apps, and whatever he's planning next. But that's just me. 3.2b is small number for Apple. They only have one chance for a proper streaming service. iRadio is just a funnel to iTunes.

Like I said above, I actually like Beats' service concept and implementation. I think they got that part right, which is a solid start for Apple.
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At least I can can read and comprehend- I didn't make the 2 year claim bighype did.
And just so you know there never was a 3 year difference - that's the point. We had a Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad introduced. One was an entirely new product.1rolleyes.gif

Can you? I replied to Big Hype and you replied to my comment to Big Hype, where you stated "Except that he did" as a response my comment that Steve Jobs didn't release a new product category every 2 years. He didn't. Period. He also didn't release a new product category every 3 years. Period.

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Hmm... that interview with Walt explains a lot. Apple is buying a person. But come on! $3.2 billion?! Is Tim going to have Jimmy Iovine run iTunes like a completely separate business, like how 3M has many diverse divisions that all need to prove their worth to the company or they are spun off or shut down?

If Apple is going to be in the business of acquiring other businesses now for growth, versus growing the business themselves, shouldn't they also be seriously looking into buying AT&T, Hulu (or Netflix), and other such core (as in the case of iPhone business) or peripherally important (as in headphones) businesses?

Personally, I see this as a defining and significant departure from Apple's strategy until now. And it concerns me.

I think Apple is buying: a company which includes:
  • a hardware/accessory line
  • several creatives/executives with music industry experience
  • a new, but proven streaming service and software
  • a human-driven curation engine that anticipates what the user wants *
  • the humans with industry knowledge and experience to do that curation *
  • Jimmy as a consultant

* this has not been implemented, successfully, by anyone prior to Beats. And the Beats curation concept/engine may have much broader implications than just streaming the right music at the right time!

I read somewhere that Beats has about 1,000 employees and more than half are involved with the Service/software.


Maybe it's a good time for a departure from past strategy -- remember when the iPod came from nowhere -- then the unprecedented decision to implement iTunes on Windows????

Today's Apple is quite a different company from as recent as 2001. In order to survive and grow it must listen to the customers, anticipate their needs and be bold and agile enough to implement strategic solutions in a timely fashion.

In the words of Willy Sutton: "... that's where the money is!"
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I would love for you to explain this 180 I've done. Please cite any and all contradictory comments.

Who has the time for that? You've called me a liar and quoted me as bighype. You've lost all credibility today.

pazuzu,

exactly.. it's call a weasel game.  lets just drop this. Just tell SolipsismX he is right as always and be done with this noise.

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Who has the time for that? You've called me a liar and quoted me as bighype. You've lost all credibility today.

If I called you a liar I'm sure I made clear why you are, but I didn't quote you as Big Hype, I quoted your words backing up Big Hype's claim that Steve Jobs did release a new product category every 2 years.


Besides you clearly stating that Jobs did release a new product category every 2 years is the meaning of every really that fucking hard to understand? @anantksundaram and @GTR are right.
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Cook hasn’t done a thing in 2 years. No new product categories, just improved old products.
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He's right up there with Steve Jobs who also didn't create a new product category every 2 years.
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Except that he did.
And actually it's every 3 years.


PS: Still waiting for this screenshot or post number of where I quoted Big Hype's words with your name applied.
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250-300 million is nothing, it's a damn joke. Why would Apple even be interested in such small sums and such a small, niche market?

Apple has long considered their Apple TV to merely be a hobby, then what's this? A complete waste of time?
Totally agree. Thats why the whole web is shocked over this.

Imho.. Not so much about the cost but what is says about apples direction and decision making ..
A total PR disaster.

Apple mantra.. We only make the best!
Post Beats deal mantra : we only make you believe we are the best.
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Totally agree. Thats why the whole web is shocked over this.

Imho.. Not so much about the cost but what is says about apples direction and decision making ..
A total PR disaster.

Apple mantra.. We only make the best!
Post Beats deal mantra : we only make you believe we are the best.

Not at all. Now that I think about it. Eddy Cue may continue to lead iTunes, while Beats lead the all-access streaming service. Both will fight to be the best. Beats may indeed cannibalize iTunes. Besides, it is unclear if iTunes will be available on Android, but Beats is. May (or may not) be a bigger PR mess if Apple takes iTunes to Android.

Apple will remain Apple in terms of device and service quality. Beats headphones, if Apple continue to sell them, will use whatever Apple come up with. Not the other way round.
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I want to hear you back up your accusations with evidence, not to scurry away with your tail betweens your legs. I gain nothing from your forfeit.

frankly, that is up to you and something you should work on for your own sanity and self confidence.

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And associate themselves with mediocracy at best!

Beats hardware is mediocre at best!
Beats streaming is a startup with unproven track record!

Who are all these executives that apple will gain in the deal?

The most valuable is iovine and he is not going to be a part if apple.. He will only advice !

This is Iovine outsmarting apple in the deal.
Apple is being played .

Apple goes from making the best no matter the consequences to a marketing bullshitter by selling mediocracy as the best !
Image and PR disaster!
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frankly, that is up to you and something you should work on for your own sanity and self confidence.

The onus of proving your points is on the me? Does that really makes sense to you? Do you even understand how debates work? Have you never seem a courtroom drama? This isn't a new fucking concept. 1oyvey.gif

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I think Apple is buying: a company which includes:
  • a hardware/accessory line
  • several creatives/executives with music industry experience
  • a new, but proven streaming service and software
  • a human-driven curation engine that anticipates what the user wants *
  • the humans with industry knowledge and experience to do that curation *
  • Jimmy as a consultant

* this has not been implemented, successfully, by anyone prior to Beats. And the Beats curation concept/engine may have much broader implications than just streaming the right music at the right time!

I read somewhere that Beats has about 1,000 employees and more than half are involved with the Service/software.


Maybe it's a good time for a departure from past strategy -- remember when the iPod came from nowhere -- then the unprecedented decision to implement iTunes on Windows????

Today's Apple is quite a different company from as recent as 2001. In order to survive and grow it must listen to the customers, anticipate their needs and be bold and agile enough to implement strategic solutions in a timely fashion.

In the words of Willy Sutton: "... that's where the money is!"

 

Regarding the two items I highlighted in red:  How many people have used their 'curation engine' and determined that it is leaps and bounds better than Apple's solution?

 

After watching almost the entire Iovine interview, it looks like he's a bit of a braggart about his curation solution, but where's the proof? Isn't it really just a scheme to employ a bunch of DJ's?

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Jimmy has 40 plus years of experience and connections in the music industry -- Eddy doesn't have the time to attain equivalent chops!
Eddy has enough on his plate with iCloud, Siri, maps, App Store and Apple TV.

Yes! And, Eddy is Apple's goto deal maker/negotiator for iTunes and iCloud content. If Eddy were trying to cut a streaming deal with the record companies, Jimmy, likely, would be one of the record company executives Eddy would call upon. Now, Jimmy and Eddy can call on Jimmy's counterparts and contacts -- mutual, perspective, trust and experience should help grease the skids.
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frankly, that is up to you and something you should work on for your own sanity and self confidence.

The onus of proving your points is on the me? Does that really makes sense to you? Do you even understand how debates work? Have you never seem a courtroom drama? This isn't a new fucking concept. 1oyvey.gif

as dumb as I am, I know enough in my little brain, when its pointless to debate with an addict. Best wishes to you sir and your mental health.

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And associate themselves with mediocracy at best!

Beats hardware is mediocre at best!
Beats streaming is a startup with unproven track record!

Who are all these executives that apple will gain in the deal?

The most valuable is iovine and he is not going to be a part if apple.. He will only advice !

This is Iovine outsmarting apple in the deal.
Apple is being played .

Apple goes from making the best no matter the consequences to a marketing bullshitter by selling mediocracy as the best !
Image and PR disaster!

If Beats h/w are mediocre, then Apple won't sell them. ^_^
OTOH, the acquisition can improve Beats' implementation. It doesn't have to be always negative direction.

If Iovine is good, then Apple will tie him down enough. Being an advisor doesn't really mean he can run away with Apple unprepared. There will be satisfactory terms from both sides. This is all assuming the rumors are true.
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Regarding the two items I highlighted in red:  How many people have used their 'curation engine' and determined that it is leaps and bounds better than Apple's solution?

After watching almost the entire Iovine interview, it looks like he's a bit of a braggart about his curation solution, but where's the proof? Isn't it really just a scheme to employ a bunch of DJ's?

If the deal goes through, I will take one for the team to sign up and report back.
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as dumb as I am, I know enough in my little brain, when its pointless to debate with an addict. Best wishes to you sir and your mental health.

You can scamper away all you want but I will not let your libel attacks slide. Back you up your claims or shut the **** up, but please stop being passive-aggressive.

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Beats are a terrible brand that make terrible cheap headphones that are then sold at premium prices.

 

There music service is of no value at all. It only just launched and hasn't done that well. Nobody gives a damn about it. You could just create this from scratch (if you where a company big enough like Apple, they really have nothing to offer)

 

There is absoultely no value in anything beats do or have as IP, if your buying the brand I still don't get it, maybe if your Microsoft, but not if your Apple.

 

Very very odd purchase, sure apple have a bigger plan that we all do not know about, else this is extremely stupid move.

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as dumb as I am, I know enough in my little brain, when its pointless to debate with an addict. Best wishes to you sir and your mental health.

What is going on with that one today- Courtroom Dramas? Judge Judy? Spewing Profanities?
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Not at all. Now that I think about it. Eddy Cue may continue to lead iTunes, while Beats lead the all-access streaming service. Both will fight to be the best. Beats may indeed cannibalize iTunes. Besides, it is unclear if iTunes will be available on Android, but Beats is. May (or may not) be a bigger PR mess if Apple takes iTunes to Android.

Apple will remain Apple in terms of device and service quality. Beats headphones, if Apple continue to sell them, will use whatever Apple come up with. Not the other way round.
Respectfully disagree.
Beats is a startup with no proven track record in streaming.

Beats hardware is at be mediocre!

I feel this is Iovine playing apple for some of its cash. And apple is being suckered.

Beats has only one proven recorded about themselves.
They can sell mediocre stuff and make you feel it is the best ! Total marketing. That is more sumsung like.

Apple on the other hand says we only care about delivering the best.
Total contradiction by associating with a mediocre product ...

But i hope im wrong and you are right ... If the deal goes through !
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Hmm... that interview with Walt explains a lot. Apple is buying a person. But come on! $3.2 billion?! Is Tim going to have Jimmy Iovine run iTunes like a completely separate business, like how 3M has many diverse divisions that all need to prove their worth to the company or they are spun off or shut down?

 

If Apple is going to be in the business of acquiring other businesses now for growth, versus growing the business themselves, shouldn't they also be seriously looking into buying AT&T, Hulu (or Netflix), and other such core (as in the case of iPhone business) or peripherally important (as in headphones) businesses?

 

Personally, I see this as a defining and significant departure from Apple's strategy until now.

 

It's a departure but it's for a different field than the hardware or software that they've done so well with, and that's content and to be where people go for that content, which is where they don't lead.  So it makes sense to be a different set of rules and strategies than they've previously shown.

 

 I think Apple is looking at Beats in the same way they might be looking at Hulu or Netflix, for their portal, their established go-to place, except that Beats has the charismatic leader at the helm for whom everything he touches (seems to) turn to gold, and his company is perceived as champagne to their beer. The whole list Dick Applebaum posted (why is it so hard for me to make the multi-quoting work!!???   :  )  rings true, though I'll bet the headphones get sold off, as that seems like a bad fit (branding instead of technology or product innovation) that just happens to be among the assets.  Whichever way this turns out (Iovine running iTunes, Apple gaining the Beats portal separately and Iovine to consult their overall music business, etc, etc) it's not inconceivable that in three years it pays for itself and then everyone's a genius.   And here's the flipside:  if it doesn't go terrifically Iovine will buy it back in three years for 1/4 of that, which is what he did with Interscope, what, three or four times?   

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Respectfully disagree.
Beats is a startup with no proven track record in streaming.

Beats hardware is at be mediocre!

I feel this is Iovine playing apple for some of its cash. And apple is being suckered.

Beats has only one proven recorded about themselves.
They can sell mediocre stuff and make you feel it is the best ! Total marketing. That is more sumsung like.

Apple on the other hand says we only care about delivering the best.
Total contradiction by associating with a mediocre product ...

But i hope im wrong and you are right ... If the deal goes through !

I don't know if it's fair to call Beats mediocre when they are doing well, and their product has improved.

A lot of startups are worse plus not making money despite great hype.

I would say great execution so far, but they need to keep it up. Continue to improve their h/w (if still relevant), and of course scale the service up. They have a unique concept at the right time.

The rest in the mean time will depend on whether Apple still like them after due diligent I guess ?
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So NOT every 2 years? You can't even keep you lie straight with a less than 10 word response. Shameful.

And that 3 year difference between the iOS-based iPhone and iOS-based iPad was only ONCE, NOT the very 3 year occurrence you have claimed.

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You can scamper away all you want but I will not let your libel attacks slide. Back you up your claims or shut the **** up, but please stop being passive-aggressive.

Hey pot meet kettle. You called me a liar and owe me an apology.
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If Beats h/w are mediocre, then Apple won't sell them. ^_^
OTOH, the acquisition can improve Beats' implementation. It doesn't have to be always negative direction.

If Iovine is good, then Apple will tie him down enough. Being an advisor doesn't really mean he can run away with Apple unprepared. There will be satisfactory terms from both sides. This is all assuming the rumors are true.

3.2 billion for an unproven streaming startup! That will definitely generate some headlines and a new precedence !

Time will tell.
At the end if it goes through.. I hope im wrong and all proponents are right !
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3.2 billion for an unproven streaming startup! That will definitely generate some headlines and a new precedence !

Time will tell.
At the end if it goes through.. I hope im wrong and all proponents are right !

3.2b is based on established way of valuating a company.

As long as Apple want to go there, it will mean they think they can recoup the money back. They are a thrifty bunch.
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You called me a liar and owe me an apology.

I don't owe you an apology because I called you a liar. I would owe an apology if you hadn't lied, but you did, twice.

First lie: You stated that Big Hype was correct in regards to Apple releasing a new product category every two years.

Second lie: You then contradicted your previous sentence and stated it was every three years.

You guys have to be trolling to jack these thread because I have a heard time believing you can't even keep track of what you write in a 9 word comment.
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I think Apple is buying: a company which includes:
  • a hardware/accessory line
  • several creatives/executives with music industry experience
  • a new, but proven streaming service and software
  • a human-driven curation engine that anticipates what the user wants *
  • the humans with industry knowledge and experience to do that curation *
  • Jimmy as a consultant


* this has not been implemented, successfully, by anyone prior to Beats. And the Beats curation concept/engine may have much broader implications than just streaming the right music at the right time!


I read somewhere that Beats has about 1,000 employees and more than half are involved with the Service/software.



Maybe it's a good time for a departure from past strategy -- remember when the iPod came from nowhere -- then the unprecedented decision to implement iTunes on Windows????


Today's Apple is quite a different company from as recent as 2001. In order to survive and grow it must listen to the customers, anticipate their needs and be bold and agile enough to implement strategic solutions in a timely fashion.


In the words of Willy Sutton: "... that's where the money is!"

Regarding the two items I highlighted in red:  How many people have used their 'curation engine' and determined that it is leaps and bounds better than Apple's solution?

After watching almost the entire Iovine interview, it looks like he's a bit of a braggart about his curation solution, but where's the proof? Isn't it really just a scheme to employ a bunch of DJ's?

First, when the video was made, the Beats Service was still being implemented -- AFAIK, it was released in the last 2 months.

You can download the app and try it, free, for 7 days. I like what I've seen so far, but you be the judge.

Also, there is a learning [the user's tastes] process and a human-assisted curation process -- both should improve with use.

There is no proof that you or I can cite. However, we all can cite what doesn't work very well -- what we have now! Human-assisted creation may not prove viable (I think it will) -- but, IMO, it's better to try a different approach, rather than just continue to get the wrong answers [results] faster.

As to employment for DJs -- according to an industry friend there still is rampant payola ... just more sophisticated. So, I doubt that DJs would, necessarily, be the best choice. Besides, Jimmy has a lot bigger fish to fry.

And, braggart -- C'mon, we're talkin' showbiz! Jimmy's almost as good as Steve!
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post #156 of 243
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Originally Posted by patsu View Post

I don't know if it's fair to call Beats mediocre when they are doing well, and their product has improved.

A lot of startups are worse plus not making money despite great hype.

I would say great execution so far, but they need to keep it up. Continue to improve their h/w (if still relevant), and of course scale the service up. They have a unique concept at the right time.

The rest in the mean time will depend on whether Apple still like them after due diligent I guess ?
Beats is not mediocre.. Beats product is mediocre.
Beats has been very successful in marketing a mediocre product and selling at the at a premium !

That success is in contradiction with apples mantra.
"We will only make and sell the best! "

That contradiction is potentially disastrous for apples image !
post #157 of 243
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Originally Posted by Yojimbo007 View Post

Beats is not mediocre.. Beats product is mediocre.
Beats has been very successful in marketing a mediocre product and selling at the at a premium !

That success is in contradiction with apples mantra.
"We will only make and sell the best! "

That contradiction is potentially disastrous for apples image !

Not if Apple or Beats improve their h/w, or drop the mediocre ones. It really depends on where Apple want to go. They are not tied down by Beats' existing stock/inventory.

It is quite meaningless to simply worrying about brand names. More important for a company like Apple to deliver the goods.
That's how they survive over the years.
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After watching almost the entire Iovine interview, it looks like he's a bit of a braggart about his curation solution, but where's the proof? Isn't it really just a scheme to employ a bunch of DJ's?

 

  That's the Reality Distortion Field mastery and the in-need-of-personality-transplant attribute that goes with it that Jobs built Apple with, that they've been missing since.   

post #159 of 243
The stock of a company's pretty much always moves down on news of an acquisition, while the acquired company always rises. You can see this happen every single day. means nothing.
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So NOT every 2 years? You can't even keep you lie straight with a less than 10 word response. Shameful.

And that 3 year difference between the iOS-based iPhone and iOS-based iPad was only ONCE, NOT the very 3 year occurrence you have claimed.
 
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

You can scamper away all you want but I will not let your libel attacks slide. Back you up your claims or shut the **** up, but please stop being passive-aggressive.

Hey pot meet kettle. You called me a liar and owe me an apology.
Snova too- for threatening and cursing at him.
How dare you!

pazuzu,

leave it. He is an addict. He won't stop.  Have mercy on him, he does not even acknowledge he has an addition. 

As far as winning a debate, my pea brain tells me that debates are decided by the audience, not the debaters.  Everything is on record as to what was said, if anyone gives a damn to review. Don't fall for his weasel game and waste your time. Let him be in the world that he has chosen to spend all his waking hours on. Its all he has got. Only he can decide when its time to seek help.  If you have any compassion, please leave him alone.  I'm sure you have better things to spend your time on in your own life then he does and its not our job to get him to seek help. 

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