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I don't consider overpriced to be premium. I pay a premium for Apple products because I believe their quality, ecosystem, customer service, etc. is better than anyone else's. The Beats "premium" isn't because of superior build/sound quality. It's all because of marketing, getting high profile musicians and other celebrities to be seen wearing the headphones thus making them cool to teenagers.

I think we all know and understand your view point based on the known facts. It is a perfectly reasonable reaction. There is surely a possibility though, that there is more going on that any of us know at this point. Declaratory statements such as "It's all because ..." are a bit risky when you don't know anything other than rumor and speculation.
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I just realized that most people are upset cause of racism and nothing else.

Don't give me that crap. It has nothing to do with Dr. or anyone else being black. It's a bullshit excuse. People objected because Beats headphones aren't considered good and they thought Apple could easily do their own streaming service. If this purchase goes through for $3.2B it sure seems like no one's seeing the whole reason yet.
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I don't consider overpriced to be premium. I pay a premium for Apple products because I believe their quality, ecosystem, customer service, etc. is better than anyone else's. The Beats "premium" isn't because of superior build/sound quality. It's all because of marketing, getting high profile musicians and other celebrities to be seen wearing the headphones thus making them cool to teenagers.

Is a Rolex a premium brand?

A $30 digital casio tells time just as accurately- if not more accurately.  So by that criteria, a Rolex is "overpriced"- therefore, not "premium".

 

Overpriced is relative.  What's overpriced to you isn't to others.  I used German cars as an example earlier.  I don't and won't own one because they are overpriced in my eyes- but to others, they are priced fairly.

There are plenty of Android users that say Apple products are overpriced and have worse specs than their phone.

 

Rolex, BMW, Apple, and Beats are all premium brands.  Whether you choose to own one or what you're personal opinion is of them doesn't change that.

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I don't consider overpriced to be premium. I pay a premium for Apple products because I believe their quality, ecosystem, customer service, etc. is better than anyone else's. The Beats "premium" isn't because of superior build/sound quality. It's all because of marketing, getting high profile musicians and other celebrities to be seen wearing the headphones thus making them cool to teenagers.

 

Why doesn't Apple just start to make Apple jeans? 

 

If it's all about making a quick buck, and just riding on a trend or a fad, then they might as well.

 

To me, Beats represents the opposite of what Apple represents. Apple is no trend or a fad.

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Yeah, that's the real reason. You offer a brilliant and well thought out analysis. Anybody who thinks that the Beats deal is questionable and anybody who thinks that Beats headphones aren't good are really just posting from their computers while donning white hoods.

As for me, I'm off to a klan meeting, right after I finish up with this post. I also have a confederate flag as my desktop picture.

LOL
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and not voting for.


Enough with politics on AI already ... why inflame the thread?
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Is a Rolex a premium brand?
A $30 digital casio tells time just as accurately- if not more accurately.  So by that criteria, a Rolex is "overpriced"- therefore, not "premium".

Overpriced is relative.  What's overpriced to you isn't to others.  I used German cars as an example earlier.  I don't and won't own one because they are overpriced in my eyes- but to others, they are priced fairly.
There are plenty of Android users that say Apple products are overpriced and have worse specs than their phone.

Rolex, BMW, Apple, and Beats are all premium brands.  Whether you choose to own one or what you're personal opinion is of them doesn't change that.

I have to correct you there. I say this as an owner of a beautiful Rolex which i do consider nothing other than jewelry ... A $30 digital Casio keeps far more accurate time than a Rolex! 1biggrin.gif

There are few equivalents to Apple where quality, reliability and luxury overlap so much. German cars are a nightmare for weird issues in my experience, we've owned several of various well known high end brands. My all time favorite (NOT) was an Audi A8 that decided just as we were leaving it at Tampa International Airport that locking the doors also meant lowering all the windows. Yes we left it that way, or miss a flight, for a week and it was still there when we got back much to our surprise. Don't get me started on Mercedes!
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post #48 of 168
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I think we all know and understand your view point based on the known facts. It is a perfectly reasonable reaction. There is surely a possibility though, that there is more going on that any of us know at this point. Declaratory statements such as "It's all because ..." are a bit risky when you don't know anything other than rumor and speculation.
My "it's all because" statement was about why Beats headphones are successful.
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Oh tallest skill thanks for blessing us with your humor , tell us another joke!!

As for the rest of you. Like I said, no need to address me on the subject, just reply to all the posters who had a comment about him blowing it all on houses and cars instead. I'm sure they are just saying that cause the don't like the sound quality of Beats.
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My "it's all because" statement was about why Beats headphones are successful.

Oh ok, sorry I read it as meaning why Apple bought them ... my bad.
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And for the Donald trump comparisons. The difference is that Donald was rich when he was born, Dre wasn't.

Regardless, I guess I'm just out of line for looking at what people have achieved in their lives, as opposed to how they act in public (when they just doubled their net worth and were celebrating)
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Is a Rolex a premium brand?
A $30 digital casio tells time just as accurately- if not more accurately.  So by that criteria, a Rolex is "overpriced"- therefore, not "premium".

Overpriced is relative.  What's overpriced to you isn't to others.  I used German cars as an example earlier.  I don't and won't own one because they are overpriced in my eyes- but to others, they are priced fairly.
There are plenty of Android users that say Apple products are overpriced and have worse specs than their phone.

Rolex, BMW, Apple, and Beats are all premium brands.  Whether you choose to own one or what you're personal opinion is of them doesn't change that.
I guess it all comes down to how one defines the word premium. For me, in the context of Apple, it means superior quality. For others it might mean expensive, irrespective of quality.
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It doesn't make sense unless Apple can sell more *Apple* hardware after the deal.

And it absolutely doesn't make sense for Apple to spend $3B so they can sell aftermarket accessories, especially if they don't brand them Apple.

They're not going to pursue the streaming service solely as a money-making venture - Apple is hardware, they have iTunes and iCloud and such as value added services to make the Apple hardware more valuable and appealing, and it's the Apple hardware that earns them the vast majority of their revenue and profit. To change their business model with this purchase and suddenly start pursuing non-hardware as real revenue streams in their own right is illogical.

There's something else here, either the whole thing is a bogus rumour, or they're after something else entirely - perhaps just the streaming service, which will be rebranded and incorporated into their existing offering, followed by the dumping of the accessories division. Leaving the Beats brand alive after the deal would be extremely strange.

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Fortune 130

The increase in net sales of iTunes, Software and Services in the first quarter of 2014 compared to the first quarter of 2013 was due to growth in net sales from the iTunes Store, AppleCare and licensing. The iTunes Store generated a total of $2.4 billion in net sales during the first quarter of 2014 versus $2.1 billion during the first quarter of 2013. Growth in the iTunes Store, which includes the App Store, the Mac App Store and the iBooks Store, was driven by increases in revenue from App sales reflecting continued growth in the installed base of iOS devices and the expansion in the number of third-party iOS Apps available. Net sales of digital content, including music, movies, TV shows and books, from the iTunes Store was relatively flat in the first quarter of 2014 compared to the first quarter of 2013.
Apple Inc. Form 10-Q.

During the last quarter Apple changed the pricing for iWork and OS X to zero[1].

I estimate the net effect to have been a reduction in revenues from those software titles of about $350 million for the quarter. Nevertheless, increases in services and app revenues means that the iTunes total reported revenues increased to a new record.

The total with estimated contributions by media and service components is shown below right.



Emphasis, mine.

http://www.asymco.com/2014/02/10/fortune-130/


And, here:




http://www.asymco.com/2014/05/09/measuring-not-getting-the-cloud/#disqus_thread


Look at these and note what is happening to Apple's content and services business categories. Especialy what is happening with Music vis a vis Services.


IMO. Apple understands that they need to do something to offset the decline in music revenues. I suspect, they think the Beats Streaming Service will goose the music revenues -- and is exactly what Apple needs for the next 5 years (or so).

Even to a company the size of the Fortune 130, the acquisition price is a reasonable amount.
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Originally Posted by justp1ayin View Post
Oh tallest skill thanks for blessing us with your humor , tell us another joke!!


Oh, I could never match your level of humor. I mean, accusing an entire website of being racist with absolutely no evidence to back you up? That’s gold, Jerry, gold!

 
Like I said, no need to address me on the subject…

 

No, sorry, that’s not how this works. You make a claim, you back it up. Either do that or don’t bother posting your dreck.

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Why doesn't Apple just start to make Apple jeans? 

If it's all about making a quick buck, and just riding on a trend or a fad, then they might as well.

To me, Beats represents the opposite of what Apple represents. Apple is no trend or a fad.
As I said in another thread those Samsung ads must have really stung. Maybe Apple needs to replace Phil Schiller and the marketing team. I'm sure they could do it for a lot less than $3B. 1biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by williamlondon View Post

Leaving the Beats brand alive after the deal would be extremely strange.

 

 

Beets. By Apple.

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I don't think he should be an executive because he acts like a fool in public.  I don't want Donald Trump as an executive either.  There- now you can't throw the race card or lack of success as a reason.  My reason- they both don't display what Apple is.  Elegant, Classy, Smart, and Sophisticated. If you think Dr. Dre is elegant, classy, and sophisticated- than you are misguided.

These terms elegant, classy and sophisticated are heavily based on a culture's current viewpoints. Based on that criteria I don't think the New Balance and jeans wearing Steve Jobs who would readily speak his mind falls into any of those categories. But did we care? I didn't. My interests begin and end with with wanting the best possible technology for a given time in my life. I felt that Steve Jobs was pinnacle to that happening; not just within Apple but invigorating others to want to follow his lead, even if most competitors failed miserably.

Now if you had said you didn't want racism, homophobia, or misogyny at Apple, I could have gotten behind that argument. However, I can't recall anything from Dre in that regard except from his Chronic albums in 2001 and 1992, and N.W.A. in the 80's, and I'd say that it's all become much less. But how much of that is him and how much his character for the album? Scratch that last question as I think it's irrelevant if it's not clear you're clearly playing a role. Did Steve Jobs ever exhibit any of those traits? The only one I know about is about him as a father which could be tied to misogyny but that's only a circumstantial thread without any direct proof of anything.

Bottom line, being elegant, classy, and sophisticated have to be thrown out because Steve Jobs wasn't even though the products he sold were, but other traits that relate to civil rights and equality should be considered. Does Andre Young in 2014 exhibit any of those qualities?

Finally, is it then fine for Apple to buy the company so long as Young isn't made a regular executive at Apple. IOW, so long as his role, if any, is no more than being a consultant with Iovine for the music side of the iTunes segment of business?

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Enough with politics on AI already ... why inflame the thread?

Chill.
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(when they just doubled their net worth and were celebrating)

LOL That's a good point. Looking at it from that persecutive, if that video is about an acquisition by Apple for $3.2 billion, he's way more reserved that I would be.

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As I said in another thread those Samsung ads must have really stung.

What do you mean?

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LOL That's a good point. Looking at it from that persecutive, if that video is about an acquisition by Apple for $3.2 billion, he's way more reserved that I would be.

I'd be comatose for a few weeks I think, not through alcohol either ...
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For tallest: didn't even have to look far.

Dre: "Yo Ive. What's going down Mofo?"
Jony Ive: "Uhhhhhh........."
Dre: "What's the matter n***ger.? You never seen a Mother F**king Hip Hop Billionaire?"
Jony Ive: "Uhhhhhh........."
Dre: "Shutup fool. Listen up. The next iPhone will be called the iBling and I want a huge gold chain attached to it so people can wear it around their necks"
Jony Ive: "Uhhhhhh........."
Dre: "I said shutup white boy!!!! Just listen!!!! I also want a 9mm designed into it with a quick release clip cuz you never no when a gangster needs some heat. Know what I'm saying Mofo?"
Jony Ive: "Uhhhhhh.........Tim....I quit"


And I never accused the whole board. Just the ones who posed these comments. But don't get all touchy, neither you or I can change whatever apple has planned. It's all gonna be ok
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Chill.

I'd like an automatic 1 week ban by the mods for all deliberate political comments that are likely to derail a thread on AI. That's my chill level ...
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This one is a bit confusing to me, if this one does in fact play out, I guess we will have to wait and see how if plays into the larger picture. Some of Apple's acquisitions made sense immediately and others took time to understand the how it plays in the larger picture. 

 

Beats is just a marketing machine, not much different than Apple, but Apple has great product behind them. Beats does not, as a person who has a 20 yrs old studio grade head set which still works great and I pay no where the price Beats headphone cost they are a far better product than Beats.

 

Headphone use to be rated on the ability to not distort sound, but to day it seems like people are willing to pay a lot more for something the actually distorts sound. 

 

I am not sure if paying for Beats music subscribers if worth that kind of money. Look over the last 15 yrs how many music delivery systems that existed and how people keep jumping from one to another. Consumers have no sticking power with music delivery, because there is no cost to change. 


I have a pair of Sony headphones that are 20 years old and which sound better than any Beats.  The driver diaphragms have a layer of vapour deposited amorphous diamond for stiffness.  The Headband has Nitinol memory alloy which allows them to be folded into a small volume for portability.

 

300,000 subscribers at 3B is $10,000 a head.  Lol - don't think so.  Good luck with even getting the purchase price back from this deal.  It's another, though vastly more expensive,  liquid metal purchase IMO.  Still, Apple can afford to get it wrong if that's how it turns out.

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If true- I look forward to seeing what theyd do also.  Its definately unprecidented.  Of course, with Next, they simply integrated it.  Filemaker is the only seperately run company under the Apple umbrella.  Honestly, I think if they made "Beats" headphones "Apple" headphones- it would be bad for sales.  As much as I love apple, there is a large segment of people who "would never buy Apple".  So this is a case where I would hope they'd integrate the music streaming service, and keep the hardware seperate.  As a $300 mil profit company, $3.2b is still overpaying substantially. I'd like to see it for closer to $2b.  We'll see.

I wonder if the HTC buy back has to be factored in to all this?
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And for the Donald trump comparisons. The difference is that Donald was rich when he was born, Dre wasn't.

Regardless, I guess I'm just out of line for looking at what people have achieved in their lives, as opposed to how they act in public (when they just doubled their net worth and were celebrating)

Fine- Mark Cuban then.  Or a dozen other eccentric white rich men who were self-made.  Look- I like Cuban.  And I like Dre.  They are both extremely intelligent.  But I don't want someone who is eccentric and volatile- and says "nigger", "shit", is publicly discriminatory towards gays, the list goes on and on and on- to be a senior executive or on the board of APPLE.

 

So instead of making empty claims- answer me this.  When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify doctor Dre?  Because it personifies Apple.

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Fine- Mark Cuban then.  Or a dozen other eccentric white rich men who were self-made.  Look- I like Cuban.  And I like Dre.  They are both extremely intelligent.  But I don't want someone who is eccentric and volatile- and says "nigger", "shit", is publicly discriminatory towards gays, the list goes on and on and on- to be a senior executive or on the board of APPLE.

So instead of making empty claims- answer me this.  When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify doctor Dre?  Because it personifies Apple.

Where does the idea Dre would sit on Apple's board come from?
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Originally Posted by justp1ayin View Post
For tallest: didn't even have to look far.

 

And that’s racism, is it? Representations of actual dialogue are racist now?

 

Uh oh! Guess I’m racist against YOU for quoting your post! Or maybe… maybe if I wrote…

 

“It did not take me long to find [evidence supporting my claim].” 

 

OH NO THAT’S RACIST AGAINST YOU.

 

…neither you or I can change whatever apple has planned. 

 

True. So you finally have proof that Apple has planned this, do you? Everyone’s acting like it’s true when we don’t yet know. 

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When I hear elegant and classy I don't think about Steve jobs dropping acid and being a deadbeat dad either. I don't know why you think they are going to sell you dr Dre in bulk now. It's about the products they make, and didn't mark Cuban have something to do with HD TV? Don't count the eccentric white or black or Hispanic or Asian rich men out of anything. Dre won't be in charge of making the iwatch, he is only gonna handle music
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Here:
http://www.asymco.com/2014/02/10/fortune-130/

And, here:

http://www.asymco.com/2014/05/09/measuring-not-getting-the-cloud/#disqus_thread

Look at these and note what is happening toApple's content and services business categories. Especialy what is happening with Music vis a vis Services.

IMO. Apple understands that they need to do something to offset the decline in music revenues. I suspect, they think the Beats Streaming Service will goose the music revenues -- and is exactly what Apple needs for the next 5 years (or so).

Even to a company the size of the Fortune 130, the acquisition price is a reasonable amount.

 

If I'm understanding you correctly then I completely disagree with your conclusion. iTunes, the App Store, iCloud, while they may make money for the company, their number one reason is to support and make more valuable Apple Hardware. If Apple hardware didn't exist, none of those entities would either. There is no reason to possess a streaming music service for a company like Apple without hardware to which in can be streamed, so buying something as a revenue source that exists in a more agnostic device world doesn't make any sense - it's not a reason to buy this. It's not Apple, and if it happens it would signal a HUGE shift in how Apple views its portfolio, and events like that, although they sound easy on paper, almost never ever happen in the business world - it's one reason companies die, because they can't change who they are.

 

In my opinion Apple isn't about to place a new and big focus on non-hardware services as revenue streams. The non-hardware services can make money (and most if not all of Apple's do), but that's not the reason they exist and I don't see that changing.

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Since none of us knows Apple's endgame (in fact, there's no absolute proof this is a done deal), I'll just reiterate what I've previously said... Apple should buy up the component manufacturers out from under Samsung. Start to own THEIR suppliers. Heck, even buy up the miners who dig up the metals to supply the suppliers! Want to own the whole enchilada? Buy the enchilada.

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When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify doctor Dre?  Because it personifies Apple.

I could ask: When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify Steve Jobs?  Because it personifies Apple.

I'd say that personifies Tim Cook or Jony Ive a lot more than Steve Jobs. Frankly, I don't see those words being any different excel if they are used to fuel racism, homophobia and misogyny. I would think you could find actual pejorative uses of the words bitch and ho from Dre more readily. Are there any of him in interview where he's saying anything overtly offensive?

I see Beyoncé as strong, independent woman that wouldn't put up with a misogynist man but she married Jay-Z who has a song titled "99 Problems" where he raps about having 99 problems but a bitch ain't one. Does that mean he has a hatred of women? I don't think so. I also don't think Dre or Tupac fall into that category. Now Chris Brown and Mystical on the other hand are pieces of shit.

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If I'm understanding you correctly then I completely disagree with your conclusion. iTunes, the App Store, iCloud, while they may make money for the company, their number one reason is to support and make more valuable Apple Hardware. If Apple hardware didn't exist, none of those entities would either. There is no reason to possess a streaming music service for a company like Apple without hardware to which in can be streamed, so buying something as a revenue source that exists in a more agnostic device world doesn't make any sense - it's not a reason to buy this. It's not Apple, and if it happens it would signal a HUGE shift in how Apple views its portfolio, and events like that, although they sound easy on paper, almost never ever happen in the business world - it's one reason companies die, because they can't change who they are.

In my opinion Apple isn't about to place a new and big focus on non-hardware services as revenue streams. The non-hardware services can make money (and most if not all of Apple's do), but that's not the reason they exist and I don't see that changing.

It's been suggested on several blogs there maybe tie-ins with Apple's rumored move into biometrics.
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I could ask: When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify Steve Jobs?  Because it personifies Apple.

I'd say that personifies Tim Cook or Jony Ive a lot more than Steve Jobs. Frankly, I don't see those words being any different excel if they are used to fuel racism, homophobia and misogyny. I would think you could find actual pejorative uses of the words bitch and ho from Dre more readily. Are there any of him in interview where he's saying anything overtly offensive?

I see Beyoncé as strong, independent woman that wouldn't put up with a misogynist man but she married Jay-Z who has a song titled "99 Problems" where he raps about having 99 problems but a bitch ain't one. Does that mean he has a hatred of women? I don't think so. I also don't think Dre or Tupac fall into that category. Now Chris Brown and Mystical on the other hand are pieces of shit.

It would be interesting to read, in a parallel universe, this same blog had Jimmy alone owned Beats, wouldn't it?
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I could ask: When you hear the words "Elegant and Classy"- does that personify Steve Jobs?  Because it personifies Apple.

I'd say that personifies Tim Cook or Jony Ive a lot more than Steve Jobs. Frankly, I don't see those words being any different excel if they are used to fuel racism, homophobia and misogyny. I would think you could find actual pejorative uses of the words bitch and ho from Dre more readily. Are there any of him in interview where he's saying anything overtly offensive?

I see Beyoncé as strong, independent woman that wouldn't put up with a misogynist man but she married Jay-Z who has a song titled "99 Problems" where he raps about having 99 problems but a bitch ain't one. Does that mean he has a hatred of women? I don't think so. I also don't think Dre or Tupac fall into that category. Now Chris Brown and Mystical on the other hand are pieces of shit.

First- you know nothing of the character or Beyonce or Jay-Z.  He could be banging 2 chicks every night on tour- that's just the added perk to being a rock star.  To think a celebrity marriage is going to work is laughable.  Talk to me in 10 years.

 

And no, the words Elegant and Classy isn't used to fuel racism, homophobia, and misogyny.  Oprah, Jan Adams, William Bailey, Kenneth Chenault, or Don Thomson are all extremely Elegant, Classy, and Black.  And it's not because they "act white".  Oprah is far from it.  Not acting ignorant and offensive is a good place to start.

 

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It would be interesting to read, in a parallel universe, this same blog had Jimmy alone owned Beats wouldn't it?
 
I'm ok with the acquisition because its Apple, but I, on the surface, don't think it's smart.  If it's $3.2 billion, I think it's extremely overpriced because outside of a $30mil revenue stream through Beats Music, I don't see any overlap or synergistic business models.  I think Beats would need to be marketed and run independently, which is fine- and I think Apple could grow it- but at ~$200-$260mil in profit, 3.2 billion is WAY overpriced.  2 Bil is reaching the upper limit.  When I've bought companies or offered, I only go 3-5x EBITA.  If there was a massive syngergistic relationship I could even see 10x.  Of course, Ive never done a deal close to 3.2billion, so my numbers I run off of likely don't apply. :)  But where there is no overlap, I just don't see it.  I trust Apple, particularly with their acquisitions, so I will wait and see.

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If I'm understanding you correctly then I completely disagree with your conclusion. iTunes, the App Store, iCloud, while they may make money for the company, their number one reason is to support and make more valuable Apple Hardware. If Apple hardware didn't exist, none of those entities would either. There is no reason to possess a streaming music service for a company like Apple without hardware to which in can be streamed, so buying something as a revenue source that exists in a more agnostic device world doesn't make any sense - it's not a reason to buy this. It's not Apple, and if it happens it would signal a HUGE shift in how Apple views its portfolio, and events like that, although they sound easy on paper, almost never ever happen in the business world - it's one reason companies die, because they can't change who they are.

In my opinion Apple isn't about to place a new and big focus on non-hardware services as revenue streams. The non-hardware services can make money (and most if not all of Apple's do), but that's not the reason they exist and I don't see that changing.

He's pointing out that even in a supporting role for their HW sales Apple's SW and expansive cloud-based services are exceptionally profitable. Anything that can add to that will help sell their devices and probably lead to one device category sale become a second device category sale (like an iPhone buyer then buying an iPad and/or Mac).

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Since none of us knows Apple's endgame (in fact, there's no absolute proof this is a done deal), I'll just reiterate what I've previously said... Apple should buy up the component manufacturers out from under Samsung. Start to own THEIR suppliers. Heck, even buy up the miners who dig up the metals to supply the suppliers! Want to own the whole enchilada? Buy the enchilada.

I'm just remembering when Tim Cook said Apple was going to focus more on the cloud. I could see the various aspects of this deal as part of that goal.

Also consider that the iTunes arrived in 2001 and the iTunes Music Store in 2003. Since then it's changed a lot but in that 11 years since its inception it has become the primary source for music that many children now adults have known. (The official age is 13yo or older but I'm sure there are younger children using their caregiver's accounts) At some point the "cool factor" does wear thin. This seems especially true when it comes to music.

Now consider that iTunes recently had it's first reported drop ever. Could they finally be breaking out the music app from the admittedly bloated iTunes app and refreshing the whole service to appeal to a new generation. Personally, I don't want iTunes to be broken up on the Mac like it is on iDevices but I know that sentiment is commonly felt around here.

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It's been suggested on several blogs there maybe tie-ins with Apple's rumored move into biometrics.

 

I've read (some of) those too, and that makes a lot more sense, but at $3B, there must be some IP they want very, very badly.

 

Does that also possibly imply that they weren't able to buy *only* the stuff they wanted, that it was all or nothing, so they're going to be stuck with crap they didn't want, which might mean a sale at a convenient time (or simply a shut down of those parts) after incorporating the rest of the (moderately) useable stuff in the sale??

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First- you know nothing of the character or Beyonce or Jay-Z.  He could be banging 2 chicks every night on tour- that's just the added perk to being a rock star.  To think a celebrity marriage is going to work is laughable.  Talk to me in 10 years.

Maybe he is, but I queried if you think Beyoncé would marry him if he hated women given what she signs about? I wouldn't think so but, as you note, I don't know them personally. (If Beyoncé ever gets a divorce I call dibs )

PS: I don't think the length of a marriage is any measure of how a couple feels about each other at the time.
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And no, the words Elegant and Classy isn't used to fuel racism, homophobia, and misogyny.  Oprah, Jan Adams, William Bailey, Kenneth Chenault, or Don Thomson are all extremely Elegant, Classy, and Black.  And it's not because they "act white".  Oprah is far from it.  Not acting ignorant and offensive is a good place to start.

I didn't mean to suggest that and not sure how that was interpreted. My comments about elegant and classy were suggesting that is not some you should look for when there is a rumour about buying a company, especially considering how Steve Jobs lacked any traditional elegance, classiness and sophistication in how he dealt with people.

My comments about racism, homophobia, and misogyny were my attempts to form an argument from your position that I felt was more apt and could be better defended as a reason why Dre would be a choice as part of Apple's executive team, as some rumours seem to indicate.

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What do you mean?
i think Samsung's advertising stung Apple and the marketing department is worried that those ads dinged Apple's "cool" factor. And buying a trendy headphone maker that teenagers like might get some of that "cool" back.
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He's pointing out that even in a supporting role for their HW sales Apple's SW and expansive cloud-based services are exceptionally profitable. Anything that can add to that will help sell their devices and probably lead to one device category sale become a second device category sale (like an iPhone buyer then buying an iPad and/or Mac).
I'm just remembering when Tim Cook said Apple was going to focus more on the cloud. I could see the various aspects of this deal as part of that goal.

Also consider that the iTunes arrived in 2001 and the iTunes Music Store in 2003. Since then it's changed a lot but in that 11 years since its inception it has become the primary source for music that many children now adults have known. (The official age is 13yo or older but I'm sure there are younger children using their caregiver's accounts) At some point the "cool factor" does wear thin. This seems especially true when it comes to music.

Now consider that iTunes recently had it's first reported drop ever. Could they finally be breaking out the music app from the admittedly bloated iTunes app and refreshing the whole service to appeal to a new generation. Personally, I don't want iTunes to be broken up on the Mac like it is on iDevices but I know that sentiment is commonly felt around here.

Anecdotal opinions from around the web seem to indicate that many younger people go to YouTube for their music listening now. Yes, listening, not for the videos. I've done my own research and find all kinds of obscure music on YouTube that has been ripped. And kids don't pay for music subscriptions. I wonder if both paid and subscription music services are a dead end and we're headed back to expectations of free music everywhere once again, a la Napster.

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I'm actually happy that Apple doesn't plan to jettison the hardware line.  People don't think of Apple as being a company with good audio chops but they are pretty good designers.   The work they did with the 15" Retina MBP speakers was great as is the iMac speakers. 

 

If Apple thinks they can improve the Beats headphones I think they should try.  The streaming service also needs to have some special features that integrate nicely with iTunes.  While subscriptions are likely going to dominate the future of music I don't think that Apple should shy away from promoting music sales.  Some stuff is just too good not to own. 

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