Originally Posted by PatchyThePirate
I actually agree with both of you. I don't have a problem with black people using "the n word," but I don't think black people should;* it perpetuates the mentality of victimization, which I think has done nearly as much to hold back the upward social mobilization of blacks as racism (in today's terms and level of racism, not the extreme racism seen around and prior to the civil rights movement). But I think the main issue here is how quick you are to judge others as "trashy," 'low class," or whatever. It shows a lack of humanism, perspective, and humility on your part, which is probably the source of most of your contentious (non-Apple related) conflicts on this forum. I love your enthusiasm for Apple; I just don't think condescending to others needs to be part of it.
*Because this is a sensitive issue, let me add the caveat that I don't think it's my place to dictate, although I do want to share my opinion.
And as an olive branch: I'm with you on believing anthropogenic global warming hype to be BS. Whether it exists or not (I'm highly skeptical), it is clearly not the objective and unbiased science that it is made out to be (It's pathetic how many times they've cried wolf, only to have to redo their climate projections, yet still take themselves with dire seriousness). At best it is a sad distraction from real environmental issues that are more urgent (deforestation, pollution, sustainability, etc.), which could greatly benefit from the ridiculous amount of resources and attention that is being given to gaseous plant food.
Blacks are given an opportunity to learn anything they want in this day and age, if they choose to not learn and be part of the system in a positive way, then it's not anyone's fault but their own. Blacks aren't the only ones that have been persecuted, I've been the victim of crimal behavior due to my being born Jewish (yeah, Jews have been persecuted more than whites as we aren't treated like other white people), but I don't make a big deal about it unless there is a legal matter for which I can take legal action. So playing the race card because a person didn't want to get an education is no one's fault but their own. Some people confuse people just don't like people with an attitude problem against learning and because they are black they think it's because of their skin color. Sorry, I don't like people doing that. If they have a problem obeying authority figures, then people will treat them differently and it's not necessarily based on racism, but based on someone just simply not playing by societies rules. Kids THINK they can do whatever they want, but until they reach 18, they are NOT an adult and they have parents which are held liable for their kid's actions and when the kid gets out of line, what do you do? It's not a skin color thing, that behavior transcends skin color and everything else, it's simply called, someone is misbehaving and has an attitude problem, some cultures are more disciplined and see less of these types of problems, but some cultures it's just simply more prevalent. But there are plenty of examples of someone growing up in a poverty situation and made the best of it and got out alive, educated and grew to become successful and it's happened to not just rich and famous people, but a lot of people that have normal jobs or small businesses that just have good work ethics. And it's NOT a thing against any one race of people. I think a lot of the race card implications many times, not all of the times, but many times is BS. If you're doing something that's wrong or illegal then own up to it and don't blame anyone but yourself. The N words is something I don't like, but the rap community likes it. I think it's stupid, but if they like it then they shouldn't call ANYONE a racist because they call people of the rap community the N word. They use it SOMETIMES to mean "FRIEND", but sometimes they use it to mean "A$$HOLE" depending on their meaning, but it's kind of hard to understand which is which. But those that don't like the word, like myself, prefer that they DIDN'T use it, because it's just not something positive, just a lot of other words they commonly use. Swearing is one thing and some of us swear more or less than others, but if pushed to a point, I think most of us are going to swear. Imagine what someone would yell out if they got physically hurt and they are in extreme pain. Are they likely to yell out "oh gosh, oh darn, someone just severed my hand", or are they going to swear obscenities? I think the later is more appropriate.
I just with people in the rap/hip hop community would just simply admit they need help with learning the English language, they need help with decent fashion because they need to get better fitting pants so their underwear isn't hanging out, etc. etc. You would be surprised what people would do to HELP them fit in with what is considered normal society if they simply asked for help to improve themselves in what they lack vs. just blaming everyone else for THEIR issues. If they present themselves properly in both how they dress, how they talk, and how they act, they'll get a LOT further in life than if they don't. First impressions is what a lot of people automatically do, so if they come at you and they are high and kite, etc. etc. and they can put people off immediately. A lot of people simply don't spend enough time getting to know people of other skin colors or backgrounds. I have. I know a lot of people from other countries scare people and some don't. Remember when the whole Iraq war 9/11 thing happened? People automatically became scared of anyone wearing a turban or were middle eastern. That's what happens in our society.
I would only suggest that you don't want to put people off, don't give them a reason to. If you want to be accepted in society, don't give people REASONS to reject you or dismiss you as BS. I think it's disturbing for people to have tattoos, have underwear hanging out, threaten to hurt people for no good reason, or to not learn the native language of the country for which you were born and raised, rip people off, steal expensive things from other people, call themselves something when they aren't, etc. I shouldn't have to change MY attitude if I feel my attitude is more in line with common sense thinking.