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Microsoft on Tuesday announced that consumers will soon be able to purchase a cheaper, Kinect-less Xbox One bundle and won't be forced to subscribe to Xbox Live Gold in order to use media services like Netflix or MLB.TV on their consoles, bending to price pressure from Sony's PlayStation 4 and streaming boxes such as the Apple TV.




The announcements come six months after the Xbox One's release, during which time sales have lagged behind Sony's less costly offering. Microsoft's new Xbox One lineup will start at $399 without the motion capture camera, the same price as Sony's entry.

In addition to driving up the Xbox One's price, the second-generation Kinect has drawn the ire of early adopters thanks in large part to reliability issues. While the original Kinect relied on technology licensed from Israeli semiconductor firm PrimeSense -- acquired late last year by Apple for $360 million -- the Kinect 2.0 uses sensors developed in-house at Microsoft.

Alongside the SKU change, Microsoft will drop its longstanding requirement that users who wish to use their Xbox to stream media content from the internet pay for a $60-per-year subscription to Xbox Live Gold. Some believe that additional cost has made casual users, who may not play online multiplayer games, turn instead to set-top boxes like the Apple TV that cost less than $100 and boast a wider catalog of streaming options.

Apple is believed to have sold more than 10 million Apple TV units in 2013, an even pace with the Xbox One, which has shipped 5 million units in its six-month lifespan. The next-generation Apple TV, which could debut this fall, is rumored to bring support for gaming and third-party controllers that would place it in even more direct competition with the Xbox and PlayStation.

The new Xbox One bundle will be available on June 9, while preorders are available now, and changes to Xbox Live will take effect "in early June." The Kinect 2.0 will be made available as a standalone purchase this fall.
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Good thing Microsoft is changing CEOs, they're beginning to lose on EVERY front...
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That was quick. And people say the WiiU is a failure. Never mind that the Xbone and PS4 have pathetic hardware and orwellian use demands.

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That was quick. And people say the WiiU is a failure. Never mind that the Xbone and PS4 have pathetic hardware and orwellian use demands.

People are saying the WiiU is a failure because it is a failure. The Xbox One and PS4 are both selling pretty well. Reviews are also very positive. Why must you always be so negative about everything? Now that Microsoft changed that stupid policy to force people to subscribe to Xbox Live Gold just to watch Netflix I might actually consider one. I like to play games on occasion but the the pay for online play was always a deal killer. I never spend enough time with games to get good enough to take on those 14 year olds who can kick my ass so prefer to just play single player type games. 

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Why must you always be so negative about everything?

 

And there you go again.

 
I never spend enough time with games to get good enough to take on those 14 year olds who can kick my ass so prefer to just play single player type games. 

 

Ha! Same here. Almost feels embarrassing jumping into multiplayer sometimes. “Shouldn’t I be doing better than this?” :lol:

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That was quick. And people say the WiiU is a failure. Never mind that the Xbone and PS4 have pathetic hardware and orwellian use demands.

 

what do you mean by pathetic?

 

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Microsoft on Tuesday announced that consumers will soon be able to purchase a cheaper, Kinect-less Xbox One bundle

 

You mean less expensive.

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nothing to do with Apple, everything to do with SONY and the PS4 - they basically matching the PS4.

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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

what do you mean by pathetic?

 

It’s archaic crap! You can build a $500 PC with better hardware (with greater optimization for graphics using hardware not even designed for it) than the Xbox One out of two year old parts. And remember the console is stuck with that hardware then for 5-7 years while PC hardware continues to improve.

 

 

I don’t have a CPU chart, but you can bet the difference is even more stark there; computer CPUs are generally far better.

 

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nothing to do with Apple, everything to do with SONY and the PS4 - they basically matching the PS4.

 

Agreed. Microsoft never entered the handheld market, as they were rumored to do, after all.

 

But I wouldn’t sell Apple short come the end of this year…

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That was quick. And people say the WiiU is a failure. Never mind that the Xbone and PS4 have pathetic hardware and orwellian use demands.

Ah, no. The PS4 is doing very well, and the xbox One is doing well, but not as well as the PS4. This has nothing to do with anything the article hopefully stated. It's a pure competitive play against the PS4. Anything else said is pure bunk.

The WiiU is a failure, as they only sold 2.73 million units all of their fiscal 2013 year, whereas Sony has already sold close to 8 million PS4s, and Microsoft has sold over 5 million XBox Ones.
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Ah, no. The PS4 is doing very well, and the xbox One is doing well, but not as well as the PS4. This has nothing to do with anything the article hopefully stated. It's a pure competitive play against the PS4. Anything else said is pure bunk.
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It’s archaic crap! You can build a $500 PC with better hardware (with greater optimization for graphics using hardware not even designed for it) than the Xbox One out of two year old parts. And remember the console is stuck with that hardware then for 5-7 years while PC hardware continues to improve.




I don’t have a CPU chart, but you can bet the difference is even more stark there; computer CPUs are generally far better.


Agreed. Microsoft never entered the handheld market, as they were rumored to do, after all.

But I wouldn’t sell Apple short come the end of this year…

You don't understand the point to console gaming. It's not to have a computer in the living room, or wherever the big screen Tv is. It's to have a device specifically made for gaming and streaming. And that's what consoles do best.
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You don't understand the point to console gaming. It's not to have a computer in the living room, or wherever the big screen Tv is. It's to have a device specifically made for gaming and streaming. And that's what consoles do best.

Exactly. Consoles don't require any maintenance beyond some updates once in a while. As long as your controllers are charged anytime you want to play a game or even watch a netflix video it is extremely easy to do so. Consoles are a simple, no hassle type of way to play games easily on your TV and home theater and a computer is a bag of hurt to try and come close to the same level of ease. 

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Once again MS fails to stay true to their ideals.

Windows shouldn't have a start button, and Kinect should stay compulsory.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post
Ah, no. The PS4 is doing very well

 

Oh certainly; that’s not in question.

 

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It's to have a device specifically made for gaming and streaming. And that's what consoles do best.

 

Then how does a PC do it better? Because PCs do it far better without even trying. You’d think a device specifically made to do a thing would be the best at doing it.

 

What I don’t mind is that the WiiU isn’t (stated to be) as graphically impressive as the Xbone or PS4, since Nintendo doesn’t really care about that. They care about the quality of their properties, the gameplay, and the means of interaction over anything else. The fact that they can do 1080p60 when Microsoft and Sony are often limited to 720p30, even for 1st party and AAA games is just a plus.

 

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Edited by Tallest Skil - 5/13/14 at 11:19am

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It’s archaic crap! You can build a $500 PC with better hardware (with greater optimization for graphics using hardware not even designed for it) than the Xbox One out of two year old parts. And remember the console is stuck with that hardware then for 5-7 years while PC hardware continues to improve.

 

 

I don’t have a CPU chart, but you can bet the difference is even more stark there; computer CPUs are generally far better.

 

 

Agreed. Microsoft never entered the handheld market, as they were rumored to do, after all.

 

But I wouldn’t sell Apple short come the end of this year…

 

Gaming PCs and consoles are two different things. Refer to melgross post.


Edited by NasserAE - 5/13/14 at 11:10am
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure Apple passed on the opportunity to have the Kinect tech before Microsoft got their grubby paws on it. I seem to recall a lot of people saying they were stupid and it would be 'the future' and 'Microsoft would clean up' etc.. Perhaps Apple thought it through better than those folks realized at the time.
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This has nothing to do with low cost streamers. One, they changed who was in charge of Microsoft and he's giving fans what they wanted. This version won't include the Kinect and offers fans a different choice. Not to mention that it matches the price of the PS4. And they're both selling very well. Who gives a crap about what kind of PC you can build anyway? PC gaming doesn't matter imo.

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Then how does a PC do it better? Because PCs do it far better without even trying. You’d think a device specifically made to do a thing would be the best at doing it.

 

Outside of better performance it is subjective. When I come home after work I grab my PS4 controller and I start playing almost immediately from my couch. For me this is "better" than sitting on my desk playing games on my Mac/PC.

 

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What I don’t mind is that the WiiU isn’t (stated to be) as graphically impressive as the Xbone or PS4, since Nintendo doesn’t really care about that. They care about the quality of their properties, the gameplay, and the means of interaction over anything else. The fact that they can do 1080p60 when Microsoft and Sony are limited to 720p30 is just a plus.

 

I don't know where you are getting your information but the PS4 is not limited to 720p 30fps. Many PS4 games run at 1080p 60fps.


Edited by NasserAE - 5/13/14 at 11:15am
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What I don’t mind is that the WiiU isn’t (stated to be) as graphically impressive as the Xbone or PS4, since Nintendo doesn’t really care about that. They care about the quality of their properties, the gameplay, and the means of interaction over anything else. The fact that they can do 1080p60 when Microsoft and Sony are limited to 720p30 is just a plus.

Except that you are completely wrong.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/168630-xbox-one-graphics-output-in-900p-worse-than-ps4s-1080p

 

Update, 3:47PM ET, 10/30/13: A new tidbit of information was tweeted by Mark Rubin, a developer of Infinity Ward, that stated an upcoming Call of Duty expansion, Extinction, will run natively run on the PS4 at 1080p, but will be upscaled to 1080p from 720p on the Xbox One. Rubin noted that both games run at 60fps, which sounds like the Xbox One upscaling is due to that target frame rate.

 

Several games in fact offer 1080P 60FPS on the PS4

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates

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Can't believe prople are spending so much money on minor upgrades. Sony is laughing right about now!!

At least Nintendo gave their fans a HUGE leap in hardware and software capabilities.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

When I come home after work I grab my PS4 controller and I start playing almost immediately from my couch. For me this is "better" than sitting on my desk playing games on my Mac/PC.

 

You can do the same with a computer proper. 

 

I don't know where you are getting your information but the PS4 is not limited to 720p 30fps. Many PS4 games run at 1080p 60fps.
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Except that you are completely wrong.


Indeed; apologies. Should have said often limited. It’s certainly not a hard limit. Edited now.

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It would be nice it you could use your old Kinect with this new xbox. Has anyone seen the connector? Is this a pipe dream? Most likely.
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Excellent, they just removed the only two barriers from me buying the console!

I'll be getting one now.
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Can't believe prople are spending so much money on minor upgrades. Sony is laughing right about now!!

At least Nintendo gave their fans a HUGE leap in hardware and software capabilities.

Seriously? If anything, Nintendo made less of a leap from Wii to Wii U than Microsoft or Sony did.

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Seriously? If anything, Nintendo made less of a leap from Wii to Wii U than Microsoft or Sony did.

 

480 to 1080 is less of a leap than 720 to 720 and occasionally 1080 sometimes maybe sort of? :rolleyes:

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480 to 1080 is less of a leap than 720 to 720 and occasionally 1080 sometimes maybe sort of? :rolleyes:

Thank you pundit for taking one spec and making it the whole story.

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It’s archaic crap! You can build a $500 PC with better hardware (with greater optimization for graphics using hardware not even designed for it) than the Xbox One out of two year old parts. And remember the console is stuck with that hardware then for 5-7 years while PC hardware continues to improve.

 

 

The geForce Titan is more than $500.  Good luck building a $500 PC with a Titan to get the green line.

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Thank you pundit for taking one spec and making it the whole story.

 

Oh, would you prefer to get into a discussion about polygons or the number of assets renderable onscreen at any one time? I figured that would be 1. boring, 2. too involved for most of the readers here, and 3. since it only serves to further prove my point, it wasn’t necessary.

 

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The geForce Titan is more than $500.  Good luck building a $500 PC with a Titan to get the green line.

 

I should have mentioned that this chart is before we knew the specifications of either of the consoles.

 

Turns out the Radeon 7870 is a better graphics processor than what either of them have.

 

Again, two years old and nowhere near the cost of a Titan.

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Happy to admit I have no game systems at all in my home... except for my iPhone and iPad. :smokey:

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Oh, would you prefer to get into a discussion about polygons or the number of assets renderable onscreen at any one time? I figured that would be 1. boring, 2. too involved for most of the readers here, and 3. since it only serves to further prove my point, it wasn’t necessary.

 

 

I should have mentioned that this chart is before we knew the specifications of either of the consoles.

 

Turns out the Radeon 7870 is a better graphics processor than what either of them have.

 

Again, two years old and nowhere near the cost of a Titan.

You can get into any specs war you want. It won't make you right.

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You can do the same with a computer proper. 

 

Not really.  For example COD Ghosts had issues with wireless gamepads on some PCs.  Also Aim-assist is locked on.  Some older console ports didn't support gamepads out of the box well at all.  It's hit or miss.

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Originally Posted by j1h15233 View Post
You can get into any specs war you want. It won't make you right.

 

Uh… yeah, it does. Inherently. Because they all corroborate what I’m saying.

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Oh, would you prefer to get into a discussion about polygons or the number of assets renderable onscreen at any one time? I figured that would be 1. boring, 2. too involved for most of the readers here, and 3. since it only serves to further prove my point, it wasn’t necessary.

 

The WiiU sucks in comparison to the PS4 or XBoxOne.  That's the only spec that matters and why sales have been so horrible for it.  When you start at SD and everyone else was at HD then moving to HD just gives you parity.

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Windows shouldn't have a start button

Wait, what? (edit: Samsunged from @Tallest Skil™)

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/179756-microsoft-finally-admits-defeat-will-bring-start-menu-back-in-future-windows-8-update
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Uh… yeah, it does. Inherently. Because they all corroborate what I’m saying.

Alright then. Thank you pundit.

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The WiiU sucks in comparison to the PS4 or XBoxOne.  That's the only spec that matters and why sales have been so horrible for it.


No, specs have next to nothing to do with the poor sales of the WiiU. I can’t believe you’d even say that. Marketing. The idiots didn’t set it apart from the Wii enough. Many people thought it was just the controller they were buying! 

 

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Alright then. Thank you pundit.

 

If I was wrong, you’d be able to say something to that effect. *shrug*

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The fact that they can do 1080p60 when Microsoft and Sony are often limited to 720p30, even for 1st party and AAA games is just a plus.

Are you still going on about this when you have been proved wrong numerous times?
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Turns out the Radeon 7870 is a better graphics processor than what either of them have.

Again, two years old and nowhere near the cost of a Titan.

In NZ the 7870 can retail for around $400, 66% of the price of the PS4, remember you need to purchase the rest of the PC as well, plus Windows
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Are you still going on about this when you have been proved wrong numerous times?

 

Not really, since there’s no ‘still’ and I’m not wrong. :???:

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Not really, since there’s no ‘still’ and I’m not wrong. :???:

He's never wrong. Super pundit is never wrong.

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Uh… yeah, it does. Inherently. Because they all corroborate what I’m saying.

 

The thing is no one denying that PC offer better performance than consoles. The problem with your argument is that those who buy consoles don't  care much about performance (still using 720/1080 tv with low refresh rate). It is about gaming and convenience. 

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