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I'm using a 5 now, but I miss the size of the 4.  The 5 in my jeans pocket pokes me when I sit down.  If the rumors are true on the 6, I may have bought my last iPhone, at least until Apple figures out that different people want different size phones.  

You would think that this is simple to understand but apparently Apple can't grasp the fact that size is a problem. If they intend to go to these massive cell phone sizes and ignore the market for more rational size phones they won't get a sale to me either.
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There may come a time in Apple's future when it is possible for them to offer all of their hardware at far slimmer margins if the manufacturing process is improved to the point where an iPhone/"iDevice" is molded and assembled with no human hands in the process. It would flip the traditional model of Apple making their profits on hardware and incremental sales on software, but as high quality manufacturing improves, and device capability improves to the point where an iPhone is as important as owning a credit card, most of the profits may come from software and services going forward...it could be that post-artificial intelligence, services will be everything!
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Nonsensical gobbledy goop. IMHO
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post #43 of 91
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You would think that this is simple to understand but apparently Apple can't grasp the fact that size is a problem. If they intend to go to these massive cell phone sizes and ignore the market for more rational size phones they won't get a sale to me either.

 



imo a reduce price 5s would be a worthy upgrade for youre iphone 4. The footprint is almost the same since they eat up the bezels to come up with a bigger screen.
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Um... a survey?
I'd love to see the details behind this survey, only numbers I trust are the ones Apple provides.
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Sticking with the 4s for this month's 2-year upgrade.  Why?  No need to re-purchase cables, docks, accessories, cases.  I get Siri, BT4 and an 8MP camera.  Looking at camera shoot-outs between the 4s/5/5s, I'm not convinced that it's a "$200 better" camera, and I have a much better dedicated camera for photography.  I have all of four 3rd-party apps on my phone, so 8GB is not an issue, and use very little data - about 230MB/mo.  So I can get a $55 plan instead of an $80 plan, with zero down.  Over two years that's $799, or the cost of a refurb'd MBA.  No brainer it given my usage.  I'll get $65 in trade for my 4 and put it against the $99 Applecare.  For users at this level, it's worth it.  

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It only proves that people like free more than a larger screen size.  If Apple offered two free options 3.5" and 4", which one do you think people will choose?

The 3.5". It is all about size guys, the price has little to do with it.
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I really like the portability of the 4S iOS (have a 5S now)

I really like the large screen of my S4 android (work phone).

 

I keep thinking that it should be possible to have a compact portable phone... ala 4S (or smaller). But if/when I need a larger screen have something other than an ipad;  just a display and battery for it that it would 'just link' to the phone(sort of like carplay, but for at home). Yea... I'm a crazy wabbit. 

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post #48 of 91
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Can someone explain how this guy would know the breakdown of iPhone sales by model? Apple doesn't release that information so where is he getting it from?
It is called a butt hole.
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I have the 5S, IMO (and many reviews) the 5S is noticeable better than the 4S. Is it 'alone' worth $20-, if you take a lot of pics, and you are on contract all the time anyways... IMO yes. If you purchase your phone out right, probably not. Actual mileage will vary of course.

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They get data from retailers worldwide, and also talk to suppliers and look at their sales of products.
I'd love to see the details behind this analysis. If we're supposed to believe these numbers then I guess we need to believe all those IDC, Strategy Analytics and Gartner market share figures too?
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It is called a butt hole.

 



imo he just paid employees at carriers to get the data... not that hard. Hell, he could even have paid someone at Apple.
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It is called a butt hole.
Ha. I don't put reliability on anything not reported by Apple. Of course those who dislike the 5C or think it was a mistake will believe anything that makes the 5C look bad.
post #53 of 91

I have an iPad for watching Netflix and for browsing. I don't need a huge screen on my phone. I also have an expensive DSLR, and so don't really care about the camera in my phone. What I do need is lots of space for music.

 

Some of us want iPhones that can serve as iPod replacements. The cost of 64GB in the 5 series is prohibitive. I bought a used 64GB 4S off Amazon marketplace for $300 last fall and it has served me very well with Airvoice's pay as you go service.

 

I wish Apple would offer an "iPhone for music" model that trades off features for storage space. Until that time, I will keep buying 2-3 year old devices on the used market.

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Any analysis that purports to show sales by model is fatally flawed, as there are multiple models of the 5S and 5C on the market, which Wold did not reflect in his "analysis".

 

For those that clamor Androids are better because they don't cost as much, or Apple should lower the price on iPhones in general, I say shut the f*ck up.  You obviously haven't the tiniest bit of business acumen and/or knowledge.  Your posts expose you as idiots.

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What do toy mean by "far slimmer margins"? Slimmer margins mean less profit. I don't see Apple doing that. They would need to sell far more software to make up for those lower margins, and the trend with Apple over the years has been to lower software prices, and to give otherwise paid software away for free. Software has always been, and will likely continue to be the way Apple pulls customers into their system.

So while software maintains ultra high margins for software makers such as Adobe and Microsoft, Apple just uses it as a come on, as they have now done with iWork.

Services such as payments will give them very small margins because they will be competing with the major traditional payment services. There is no way the can work around that. Merchants won't use a system that charges more, which is why Amex isn't accepted everywhere.

My main point being that as services inevitably improve and as Apple inevitably improves on their manufacturing processes (I foresee an iPhone with integrated electronics an order of magnitude more sophisticated than today's product...faster, smaller, cheaper). Software will be less important as the intelligence supporting services vastly improves.

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For me it is all about size though I know many consider price to be a factor. My frustration with Apple is that they don't update this form factor anymore. I really don't want a phone that I have to carry in a holster because my pockets aren't big enough.
Yep. I'm waving my hands in the air right now in the hopes that Apple is reading this. I have not upgraded my 4 yet because I don't want a jumbo phone. I'm waiting for Apple to give me a real upgrade to the 4 form factor
My concern with Apple is that they are chasing fads and not watching out for the bulk of the market. My iPhone isn't expected to do the things my iPad does. In fact I don't want to give up the ultra portability that the iPhone represents.
I for one have no desire to lug around a huge cell phone in my pocket. I really hope that Apple is paying attention to what customers want here and not what a few analyst insist that they build. Apple needs a range of cell phones and needs to give up on the one pony show.

As for this report, the numbers are probably bogus, from what I understand the 5C is selling a lot better than this report implies.

This is a tough one, you know.

I have some estimates of my own as to how people carry their phones around. It's based on observation, mostly. What I see, and hear, is that about 30% of people carry their phones in a pocket. That's mostly men, but includes a fair number of teenage girls, with their phones in their back pocket, of all places. Most women, and the rest of the female teenage market uses a purse and bag. That seems to be another 50%. The rest, about 20%, seem to be belt cases, such as I use.

Most demand for phone size these days does look to be for a larger phone. I think that 4.7" is just dandy. I don't want a phablet for a number of reasons. The 4.7" model isn't that much wider. It's easy to handhold. I made a plastic mockup.

USA sales don't indicate very well what worldwide sales will be.
post #57 of 91
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Can someone explain how this guy would know the breakdown of iPhone sales by model? Apple doesn't release that information so where is he getting it from?

It is very easy, he is using the same SWAG method most, if not all, ANALyst use. The best Scientific Wild Assed Guess that backs up the story he wrote!

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post #58 of 91

Update* the iPhone 4S as a sub $500 multi colored iPhone mini and it will sell like hotcakes.

 

 

(*) All the iPhone mini needs is an updated camera and better processor. The size is perfect. Apple got that right from the beginning. Perhaps they could fit a 4" screen inside the 4S body if they can get rid of the home button?


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post #59 of 91
For me it's not the size, it's not the price that makes the iPhone 4S Apple's last great iPhone. It's the aspect ratio. When Apple lengthened the iPhone beginning with the iPhone 5 they ruined the perfect aspect ratio for a phone. I wouldn't mind buying a larger iPhone or a more expensive iPhone, but I want one that is the same aspect ratio as the iPhone4(s).
post #60 of 91
All they have to do to increase sales of the 5C is to offer it in black. I would not be surprised to see three 8GB phones in white, black, and one other color this fall at $0 under contract.

The iPhone 5SC 16 & 32 GB will come in all colors with the possible addition of black at $99. No 5S will be sold.
post #61 of 91

I don't care if Apple makes larger iPhones or not because I personally don't need or want a larger iPhone. If Apple thinks or believes they can sell a larger iPhone successfully, good for them go for it. I just hope Apple continues to update and make a version with a 4 inch screen as well.

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It only proves that people like free more than a larger screen size.  If Apple offered two free options 3.5" and 4", which one do you think people will choose?

I think that's what's throwing this whole movement towards larger sized smartphones out of skew.  Initial purchase price.  There's some basic assumption that everyone loves larger displays but I think that cheaper pricing of larger display Android smartphones that may be the real driver towards larger smartphones.  I'm sure some consumers do want larger displays but I'm willing to bet they'd settle for a smaller display iPhone if the price is lower.  Smartphones won't continue to grow in size forever, so consumers may decide to choose some other feature in deciding on smartphone size.  I really can't believe that MOST consumers would desire displays above 4" but that's just my take.  We have to remember that there are carrier salespeople pushing certain models because of incentives.  There are also carriers who have tons of Android larger display smartphone inventory they need to move. I think large display smartphones sales are being driven by many things and not merely customer preference.  We'll see what consumers choose when Apple offers a larger display that may be even more expensive than current iPhone prices.

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I'd love to see the details behind this analysis. If we're supposed to believe these numbers then I guess we need to believe all those IDC, Strategy Analytics and Gartner market share figures too?

Apple does give overall sales numbers around the world, as well as country by country sales. Most other companies just give shipment numbers, or sales to distributers and retailers. Some, like Samsung, give no quarterly numbers at all.

The problem is that except for Apple, and Motorola (though we'll need to see what happens with them once Lenovo fully takes over), no one else gives sell through. So it's very difficult to verify, and calibrate the estimates these companies make. With Samsung, it's just all guesses, as there is nothing at all for these companies to look to from the manufacturer.

So some of these numbers make more sense than others. I firmly believe that all the guessing about Samsung sales are well off the mark on the high side, as whenever numbers do get revealed, they are always far lower than the numbers being guessed at.

With Apple, it's much easier. If a company wants to put the effort into it, they can get fairly accurate numbers. Are these accurate? How accurate, should be the question. I would imagine that plus or minus 10% would be barely useful. Anything better would help.

The only thing not mentioned here is what I brought in in another post, which is that Apple brought back the 4 for some time for third world countries, and according to retailer checks, that sold well. Apple has since withdrawn it again. He doesn't mention that in his report, and I don't know why. Possibly the times didn't match.
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Any analysis that purports to show sales by model is fatally flawed, as there are multiple models of the 5S and 5C on the market, which Wold did not reflect in his "analysis".

For those that clamor Androids are better because they don't cost as much, or Apple should lower the price on iPhones in general, I say shut the f*ck up.  You obviously haven't the tiniest bit of business acumen and/or knowledge.  Your posts expose you as idiots.

I don't agree that it must be fatally flawed. The 5S is a 5S no matter which of the only two versions there are. Same thing for the 5C.
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>512ke 05/14/2014 10:13 AM
>I love my 4S but those prices feel too high given what you can buy for the same money on the >Android side. Just saying.
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>I wish Apple would introduce new phones and drop the price of the 4S by half.

sure, why not just give them away free!!! or if you want a hunk of crap then just go buy an Android!
post #66 of 91
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My main point being that as services inevitably improve and as Apple inevitably improves on their manufacturing processes (I foresee an iPhone with integrated electronics an order of magnitude more sophisticated than today's product...faster, smaller, cheaper). Software will be less important as the intelligence supporting services vastly improves.

Ok, but you said (bolding mine):

"most of the profits may come from software and services going forward...it could be that post-artificial intelligence, services will be everything!"
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My concern with Apple is that they are chasing fads and not watching out for the bulk of the market. My iPhone isn't expected to do the things my iPad does. In fact I don't want to give up the ultra portability that the iPhone represents.
I for one have no desire to lug around a huge cell phone in my pocket. I really hope that Apple is paying attention to what customers want here and not what a few analyst insist that they build. Apple needs a range of cell phones and needs to give up on the one pony show.

Your concerns are misplaced. Apple doesn't do fads. Apple doesn't need a range of phones. It shouldnt lose focus and use the Sammy shotgun approach. It should keep its 3 levels of iPhone models.
post #68 of 91
I have friends and relatives who really prefer their compact 4s. Hope Apple updates that size format. Maybe an iPhone Nano for those who love a compact but full-featured iOS device.
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post #69 of 91
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I'd love to see the details behind this survey, only numbers I trust are the ones Apple provides.

I guess that's why the headline of the article says 'estimated'?

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Can anyone reading this site (well, the ones that willing to respond) understand why someone would buy a 5th generation iPhone when we're about 6 months from the 8th generation iPhone being released?

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post #71 of 91
The Main reason for the 4S continued popularity is it's the only iPhone left with a dock connector. So if you are heavily invested in dock accessories (car, stereo, work etc.) you'll buy the 4S in order to avoid lightning adapters everywhere.
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The Main reason for the 4S continued popularity is it's the only iPhone left with a dock connector. So if you are heavily invested in dock accessories (car, stereo, work etc.) you'll buy the 4S in order to avoid lightning adapters everywhere.

See, I never would have considered that as a reason to buy a 4S other than an afterthought to cover all bases as a not impossibility, but improbable reason. I'd think that what you get from the newer devices is worth changes out a few cables or buying the adapter. I know the accessories market for iDevices is big, thanks in no small part to Apple keeping the same physical connector for many years and the same design for a minimum of two years, but from my PoV that isn't worth sticking with the 4S when the 5S is so much better. Thanks for the input.

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post #73 of 91
No surprisea here. The 4S is a great well-designed phone. Thougn I love my current 5S, I miss the solidity of the 4S & wished I would have kept it for spare use. The best iphone was the original though....small gem-like absolutely perfect...like an alien artifact from the future beamed directly to your hand.
post #74 of 91
The 4S/4 thickness and feel should not be lost on the upcoming 6 series.

It would also allow for a greater volume battery an/or more internal components. At this point, thin has ran its course.

Offering a 4S dimension and a 6/6S series dimension of 4.7/5.5 as the options would cover all markets.
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I guess that's why the headline of the article says 'estimated'?
I need to get In this business. Could probably make a lot of money coming up with estimates I could sell to my clients for a pretty penny.
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My concern with Apple is that they are chasing fads and not watching out for the bulk of the market. My iPhone isn't expected to do the things my iPad does. In fact I don't want to give up the ultra portability that the iPhone represents.
I for one have no desire to lug around a huge cell phone in my pocket. I really hope that Apple is paying attention to what customers want here and not what a few analyst insist that they build. Apple needs a range of cell phones and needs to give up on the one pony show.

As for this report, the numbers are probably bogus, from what I understand the 5C is selling a lot better than this report implies.

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post #77 of 91
I wonder if they'll add AirDrop to the 4s now, since it's so popular.
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The 4S/4 thickness and feel should not be lost on the upcoming 6 series.

It would also allow for a greater volume battery an/or more internal components. At this point, thin has ran its course.

Offering a 4S dimension and a 6/6S series dimension of 4.7/5.5 as the options would cover all markets.

I don't think I'm reading your comments as intended because it sounds like you want the IPhone to not go regress from it's current thinness but also be the thickest and heaviest large-screened smartphone coming on the market.

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The Main reason for the 4S continued popularity is it's the only iPhone left with a dock connector. So if you are heavily invested in dock accessories (car, stereo, work etc.) you'll buy the 4S in order to avoid lightning adapters everywhere.

Speaking of which I went into a high end audio store looking for a clock radio with a lightning connector and was told most manufacturers are only

doing bluetooth as they don't want to go through another change like the last time and get burnt with inventory. B&W, Bose- they're all bluetooth only now. 

 
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post #80 of 91
The iPhone 4 and 4s are still legitimate smartphones in many world markets. They were/are wonderful pieces of technology.
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