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Apple's chief manufacturing partner, Foxconn, has been forced to shut down its operations in Vietnam for three days due to anti-China protests over oil drilling.

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China recently started drilling for oil near the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, a chain of islands controlled by the People's Republic of China, but claimed by Vietnam as well as Taiwan. Dispute over ownership of the islands has prompted protesters in Vietnam to ransack factories near Ho Chi Minh City.

Violence already forced manufacturers associated with shoemakers Nike and Adidas, as well as Walmart, to halt productions. And now, as a cautionary measure, Foxconn has done the same, according to the Financial Times.

In a statement, Foxconn said it has done so to "ensure the safety" of its employees. Foxconn workers in Vietnam have been instructed to take a three-day leave of absence starting Saturday.

At least 21 people are said to have been killed thus far in the violence.

Foxconn is Apple's chief supplier and assembler, responsible for the lion's share of production of devices like the iPhone and iPad. It's unknown how much of Foxconn's Apple-related production is accomplished in Vietnam.
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China needs to get the h*ll out of Vietnam! How dare they invade Vietnam's waters and steal Vietnam's property. I don't support violence, but what's happening in the past decade where China decides to steal the paracel islands from Vietnam had prompted many Vietnamese from both the homeland and overseas to protest. I'm glad the citizens are finally doing something about it. It's time the Chinese get their greedy rear end out of Vietnam and leave its people alone.
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Wow, I could see this one coming. Just knew that the ugly head of politics, and not without bias, would find its way into the comments.

"Please help the people of this small country protect its territory... "

The Americans have already tragically heeded a similar plea for help once before, and at great cost, beginning in the early 1960s. Part of me wants to say, "not this time".
Edited by Digital_Guy - 5/16/14 at 6:11am
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Shouldn't the last sentence read, "It's unknown IF ANY of Foxconn's Apple-related production is accomplished in Vietnam."

As written it's deceptively implying that at least some production for Apple is affected by this factory closure which isn't publicly known at all.
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This is protests about oil drilling -- and it likely spilled over to disrupt more than FoxConn.

 

FoxConn has .9 million workers and they manufacture electronics for almost everyone. How does Apple own everything that is going down in that country now?

 

The next Flu virus will of course be involved with the iPhone 6. When will Apple stop?

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Shouldn't the last sentence read, "It's unknown IF ANY of Foxconn's Apple-related production is accomplished in Vietnam."

As written it's deceptively implying that at least some production for Apple is affected by this factory closure which isn't publicly known at all.

"Apple data shows that the world's largest contract maker of electronic goods (Foxconn/Hon-Hai) runs a production and assembly line for Apple products in Bac Giagn Province in northern Vietnam."
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201405160024.aspx
http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/02/purported-redesigned-apple-earbuds-leaked-in-vietnam/

This is a pretty cool interactive map showing the purported factory locations for Apple products.
https://www.chinafile.com/Who-Supplies-Apple-Its-Not-Just-China-Interactive-Map
Edited by Gatorguy - 5/16/14 at 6:18am
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Wow, I could see this one coming. Just knew that the ugly head of politics, and not without bias, would find its way into the comments.

Where are the "ugly" / "biased" comments? All I see are a few posts trying to defend their county from China's land grab. Hasn't China got enough land already?!
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If it's unknown how much of Apple's production is done at this plant, then why are you tying Apple's name to the location without verifying facts first? Clicks, perhaps? Sad, really sad you have to go that far to get someone interested in a story%u2026in fact, I'll call it deceitful.

I'm sure comments of how Apple is to blame for the riots are to follow shortly.
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Why do people identify so passionately with abstractions like nations? Are Americans geniuinely concerned with something that likely has no impact at all on ordinary people's lives in either country or is this just more propaganda from American interests trying to influence public opinion for their own concealed reasons?
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I'm sure comments of how Apple is to blame for the riots are to follow shortly.

Oil-drilling by Chinese companies is to blame for the rioting.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Guy View Post

Wow, I could see this one coming. Just knew that the ugly head of politics, and not without bias, would find its way into the comments.

"Please help the people of this small country protect its territory... "

The Americans have already tragically heeded a similar plea for help once before, and at great cost, beginning in the early 1960s. Part of me wants to say, "not this time".

LMAO. Amazing and yet embarrassing at the same time that there are some people who believe that American involvement in any conflict, let alone Vietnam, is ever part of a response to a "tragic plea for help"

 

What staggering ignorance and naivety. 

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Oil-drilling by Chinese companies is to blame for the rioting.

yes, I read the article. I was being facetious.

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Isn't Hon-Hai based in Taiwan and not mainland China? Taiwan is not doing the drilling.
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Isn't Hon-Hai based in Taiwan and not mainland China? Taiwan is not doing the drilling.


The problem here is that the people attack ALL businesses with Chinese characters on any factory, shop, store, whatever exists in Vietnam with Chinese characters in their business name.  This protest basically is a huge cry from the Vietnamese to tell China that they no longer need to put up with this greed.

 

Unfortunately, Taiwan uses Chinese, therefore, they become an unfortunate target.  The other issue is that Taiwan also tried to claim the same area...

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Shouldn't the last sentence read, "It's unknown IF ANY of Foxconn's Apple-related production is accomplished in Vietnam."

As written it's deceptively implying that at least some production for Apple is affected by this factory closure which isn't publicly known at all.

All Foxconn problems automatically become Apple problems in the press, even though Foxconn manufactures for lots of tech companies.

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Isn't Hon-Hai based in Taiwan and not mainland China? Taiwan is not doing the drilling.

 

"One China" principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_China_Principle

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The Americans have already tragically heeded a similar plea for help once before, and at great cost, beginning in the early 1960s. Part of me wants to say, "not this time".

 

The "mind your own business" and the "appeasement doesn't work" perspectives are both legitimate, if diametrically opposed in their extremes.  Somehow, even-minded people must find a way to bear witness to injustices, and yet keep an eye to both sides of an issue.  These are huge problems, and can't possibly be solved in the comments section of a web story from a technology site.  So let's just accept the story and ask how this affects Apple, rather than getting involved in the dispute ourselves. Thank you.

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The problem here is that the people attack ALL businesses with Chinese characters on any factory, shop, store, whatever exists in Vietnam with Chinese characters in their business name.  This protest basically is a huge cry from the Vietnamese to tell China that they no longer need to put up with this greed.

Unfortunately, Taiwan uses Chinese, therefore, they become an unfortunate target.  The other issue is that Taiwan also tried to claim the same area...
This explains what the riots are prompted by. Companies from not only Mainland China but also Malaysia, Taiwan and others are attracting attacks.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101674053
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Vietnam has been drilling, China has been drilling...heck, why do we get involved in another Vietnam war with China to protect Apple as some of you have suggested?
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"Apple data shows that the world's largest contract maker of electronic goods (Foxconn/Hon-Hai) runs a production and assembly line for Apple products in Bac Giagn Province in northern Vietnam."
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201405160024.aspx
http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/02/purported-redesigned-apple-earbuds-leaked-in-vietnam/

This is a pretty cool interactive map showing the purported factory locations for Apple products.
https://www.chinafile.com/Who-Supplies-Apple-Its-Not-Just-China-Interactive-Map

 

1. Nothing that you posted invalidates my statement that you were replying to in any way.  Everything is simply purported, guessed, suspected.  

2.  Focus Taiwan??  Seriously? And of course in their "article" they don't given any evidence of this "Apple data."

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All Foxconn problems automatically become Apple problems in the press, even though Foxconn manufactures for lots of tech companies.
but why does AI have to participate in that?
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1. Nothing that you posted invalidates my statement that you were replying to in any way.  Everything is simply purported, guessed, suspected.  
2.  Focus Taiwan??  Seriously? And of course in their "article" they don't given any evidence of this "Apple data."

Oh jeez... 1rolleyes.gif

Here's your "Apple data" listing the factories Hon-Hai uses to produce Apple products including the one mentioned by Focus Taiwan located at 37 St., Dinh Tram Industry Zone, Viet Yen, Bac Giang, Vietnam.
https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_Supplier_List_2014.pdf

So it IS known that some of Hon-Hai's Apple product production takes place in Vietnam whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Edited by Gatorguy - 5/16/14 at 9:09am
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Wow, I could see this one coming. Just knew that the ugly head of politics, and not without bias, would find its way into the comments.
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Political comments should be expected since the article is based on political issues.

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The problem here is that the people attack ALL businesses with Chinese characters on any factory, shop, store, whatever exists in Vietnam with Chinese characters in their business name.  This protest basically is a huge cry from the Vietnamese to tell China that they no longer need to put up with this greed.

 

Unfortunately, Taiwan uses Chinese, therefore, they become an unfortunate target.  The other issue is that Taiwan also tried to claim the same area...

 

I'd feel pity for the Vietnamese if successive North Vietnamese statements (Deputy Foreign Minister Ung Van Khein, Prime Minister Pham Van Dong and a Foreign Ministry complaint against the US) hadn't declared that the Spratleys and Paracels were historically Chinese territory in 1956, then again in 1958 and in 1965.

 

To come crying to the US is bullshit.  Kerry and Biden made a mild statements about how the Chinese should be nicer and that's about all you're going to get unless it's in our interest to do more…which it isn't.

 

The fact is that the government sanctioned rioting and arson of WESTERN factories was completely stupid.  Vietnam completely overplayed it's hand.

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China needs to get the h*ll out of Vietnam! How dare they invade Vietnam's waters and steal Vietnam's property. I don't support violence, but what's happening in the past decade where China decides to steal the paracel islands from Vietnam had prompted many Vietnamese from both the homeland and overseas to protest. I'm glad the citizens are finally doing something about it. It's time the Chinese get their greedy rear end out of Vietnam and leave its people alone.

 

Except for the fact that this kind of thing has been going on for over a thousands years. China is the big dog with the big stick now. Shut down Chinese owned factories in Vietnam? China will just move them somewhere else and all those Vietnamese will be unemployed. 

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Oil-drilling by Chinese companies is to blame for the rioting.

 

He was being sarcastic, of course.

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There is nothing wrong with China drilling oil in its own territory. Vietnam needs to stop making false claims. Ancient maps can prove that those islands are Chinese territories.


Edited by peter236 - 5/16/14 at 1:10pm
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China needs to get the h*ll out of Vietnam! How dare they invade Vietnam's waters and steal Vietnam's property. I don't support violence, but what's happening in the past decade where China decides to steal the paracel islands from Vietnam had prompted many Vietnamese from both the homeland and overseas to protest. I'm glad the citizens are finally doing something about it. It's time the Chinese get their greedy rear end out of Vietnam and leave its people alone.

Vietnam needs to stop creating trouble by occupying Chinese territories. The Chinese have owned those islands for thousands of years and they have the right to drill for oil in Chinese territories.

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There is nothing wrong with China drilling oil in its own territory. Vietnam needs to stop making false claims. Ancient maps can prove that those islands are Chinese territories.

Actually, ancient maps shows Vietnam as part of China. Mainland China was too weak to enforce its claim to even Taiwan for all of the 1900s. Now they want to reassert their claim. Not always easy, even the natives of Taiwan don't want the Nationalist Chinese camping out on their turf since WWII.
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Why single out Apple? Foxconn is an independent entity that is responsible for keeping its own house in order.

I'm so sick of lame articles like this one using Apple's name as click bait chum. Anyone this lazy and journalistically pathetic should be forced to pay Apple for use of its name and recognition.
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Actually, ancient maps shows Vietnam as part of China. Mainland China was too weak to enforce its claim to even Taiwan for all of the 1900s. Now they want to reassert their claim. Not always easy, even the natives of Taiwan don't want the Nationalist Chinese camping out on their turf since WWII.

The problem for Vietnam is twofold: they gave away their claim in modern history (post WWII) because they needed Chinese help and China is not the pushover it was in 1979 and they don't have a large body of combat vets to depend on like they did in that border skirmish.
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Seems like China's just following Russia's lead. Enter the age of incremental expansion (as compared to the whole-country-or-two-at-a-time approach of last century, which is much too abrasive and rushed).
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