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post #41 of 89
wow, sounds like this lawyer has a personal vendetta. i don't think he has the best interest of his client in his mind. this looks like it is a personal fight between Apple and the lawyer at the expense of Samsung's bottom line.
post #42 of 89
Lawyers as self interested people just like many others. Keeping litigation going keeps their income rolling at the expense if everyone else.
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Ahhh, the wonderful red-herring argument. Here is the fallacy with what you said.  Apple already spent the money and gave it to Shamsung for those parts. There is nothing that can be done about that.  

Of course there is. Boycotting Apple devices containing Samsung parts might force Apple to choose another supplier. Assuming Apple even cared, and if they don't then why should you.

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Of course there is. Boycotting Apple devices containing Samsung parts might force Apple to choose another supplier. Assuming Apple even cared, and if they don't then why should you.

 

What fucking fictional planet do you live on, where you believe there's a snowball's chance in hell that enough people are willing to "boycott" Apple products based on the manufacturer of the internal components. You'd have to be quite the unbalanced extremist, not to mention the fact that if you're boycotting any technology with samsungs component inside, your options become VERY limited (if not non-existent). I utterly despise Samsung, but your scenario is ludicrous. Nobody cares. 

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Samsung doesn't care if this war is fought for another 30 years. I think legal expenses must come out of Samsung's advertising budget.

They are now saying, Apple thank you for blinking first. 

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They are now saying, Apple thank you for blinking first. 

 

... and that was another one of the things I mentioned. No matter what Apple does at this point, Samsung will spin it in its favor. Samsung doesn't care what we think, what Apple thinks... what anybody thinks.

 

Pull out Apple. No matter which way you go it won't make a stick of difference in the end.

 

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That's two days in a row Apple Insider has posted the same mistake about the damages - and drawn conclusions from this mistake, thus making a bad situation worse. The total damages are over $1 billion!

Come on... fix this!

If they fixed blatant errors there would be fewer people viewing pages and posting. It's all about the clicks.

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Your iPhone contains Samsung products. How about giving that up then?

 

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What fucking fictional planet do you live on, where you believe there's a snowball's chance in hell that enough people are willing to "boycott" Apple products based on the manufacturer of the internal components. You'd have to be quite the unbalanced extremist, not to mention the fact that if you're boycotting any technology with samsungs component inside, your options become VERY limited (if not non-existent). I utterly despise Samsung, but your scenario is ludicrous. Nobody cares. 

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post #49 of 89
I'm through with Samsung. Their attitude stinks. I suspect the only language they truly understand is the bottom line so I'm going to do everything I can to ensure that nobody in my family ever buys another Samsung product regardless of how good a deal it might be.
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I hate to say this, but I think is time Tim gives Obama a call and make sure Samsung does not ship a single product into the US. Then Tim need to talk to the EU and make Samsung does not ship any products there. I think their tone will change if they loose two of their biggest markets.

 

What their lawyer is saying it is costing Apple more than Samsung not to settle.

Yeah, of course the EU will do whatever Tim tells them to do. Get real !

post #51 of 89
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The best way to show Samsung how much we dislike it is to boycott there products. All of them.
No sales means no money to continue battling in court.
I for one would never buy or own a Samsung product after reading about this kind of behavior from a corporate entity. No morales, not dignity, no class what so ever.
Don't buy Samsung products!

Maybe all the people who share your view are already boycotting everything Samsung ???

post #52 of 89
Until a court puts some teeth into Samsung's thieving hide it will not settle. The second a judge bans Samsung products is the day they will start wanting to settle. Until then it won't, why should it? It is making a ton of money off of stolen IP.
post #53 of 89
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I'm glad I don't have to deal with these lawyers and copy cat companies day in and day out like Apple does.

Samsung was just another cheap electronics knock off company, who made a name for themselves copying the iPhone, they happened to make it big and now Apple wants to share in some of their profits. But, Samsung is starting to think they're more than a cheap copycat company. The problem for them will come when they think they have taste, and stop copying Apple. That's what happened to Microsoft. The minute they stopped copying Apple play by play, they fell out of relevance. But Microsoft is back to copying again, so they may still make it.


The time has already come for Samsung.  Look at the failures of products they tried doing on their own without their R&D department in Cupertino.  Their gear watch, and the S5 both were major disappointments.  Their tablets are a joke, which is why they don't publish sales figures since the trials showed they lied through when it came to light their tablet sales were on the bottom of the list and the Kindle sold more than they did.

Samsung is a company that needs to die.  We need people that actually create, innovate, and push the envelope further.  We do not need some two-bit trash company that just creates cheap knockoffs and litigates to death knowing they can just stall it in the courts.

It's obviously Samsung has great capabilities with their chip/display facilities.  Why can't they put that much effort into their own products instead of ripping off others?
 

post #54 of 89
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Your iPhone contains Samsung products. How about giving that up then?

The new made-in-USA Mac Pro contains Samsung SSD, too. I'd like to see Apple use more reliable memory, from a U.S. manufacturer, than cheap Samsung TLC.

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The time has already come for Samsung.

Come and gone.

 

I hate to think of a world in which Samsung crap dominates.

post #56 of 89

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Apple needs to drop the good-guy path and smash Samsung's head clean off with a frik'n baseball bat.

These litigations are immensely advantageous to Samsung, while they get sued for a $100M here a $1B there, Samsung is raking in tens of billions, they will continue to copy and litigate because it is to their advantage. Yet, another proof that the legal system cannot impose anything on whoever doesn't care about what the legal system thinks and has money.

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post #57 of 89
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Exactly my point, who the hell cares.  Apple is quite happy to continue dealing with Samsung, yet we have all those idiots on here claiming that will never buy another Samsung product again because they love Apple so much and Samsung is Apples arch-enemy. Cracks me up.

 

No, what cracks me up is that you truly believe there is no difference between buying an actual Samsung consumer device, and a product from another company that has some Samsung-manufactured components inside. Give me a fucking break. There's a world of difference between those 2 things, and because I'm fine buying an iPhone (which has components from dozens of companies inside) and not fine buying a $700 Samsung phone, does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make me an idiot. It makes you one for making such an asinine comparison, as if everything is equal. 

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I'm sure hundreds of millions of teenagers with their Samsung phablets couldn't care less.

 

There is no such thing.

 

Samsung has not sold "hundreds of millions" of phablets to anyone.

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post #59 of 89
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Because it provides no benefit to Apple and has the greater potential of damaging their reputation.

What are the potential downsides? Apple ends up being seen by everybody in the industry as the bully in the mobile playground.

You are holding Apple responsible for your own prejudices.

You're basically saying: "Apple should stop what it is doing because it proves what I think of them for doing it!"

Apple "bullying" Samsung on the "playground" is less about anything they are actually doing and more about your point of view.

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post #60 of 89
Why would Samsung settle? They're not footing the bill.

Apple has tried to talk to them before. Forgo the legal route.

But Samsung always chooses court.

Two issues with this:

1) LOL @ peeps who think Apple is the "bad guy" for taking Samsung to court.

2) Samsung must be a bad word at the Mountain View water cooler these days.
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No, what cracks me up is that you truly believe there is no difference between buying an actual Samsung consumer device, and a product from another company that has some Samsung-manufactured components inside. Give me a fucking break. There's a world of difference between those 2 things, and because I'm fine buying an iPhone (which has components from dozens of companies inside) and not fine buying a $700 Samsung phone, does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make me an idiot. It makes you one for making such an asinine comparison, as if everything is equal. 

 

Personally I could care less how you twist your mind to satisfy yourself.  Don't be so defensive about being an idiot, makes it sound like I was actually right.

post #62 of 89
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You are holding Apple responsible for your own prejudices.

You're basically saying: "Apple should stop what it is doing because it proves what I think of them for doing it!"

Apple "bullying" Samsung on the "playground" is less about anything they are actually doing and more about your point of view.
Not what he said. He pointed out a risk, which is Apple, through Samsung's communication/propaganda/lies, ending up looking like the bad guy.

Sadly, the world seems to be cut in three main blocks, people who don't know the brand of their phones (or even don't own one), people with a brain, and people who think Apple is an evil bully that copies stuff and stifle competition in court.

So, he has a point, but experience show that time makes liars look like the liars they are. SAMSUNG will probably end up with a massive loss of face, even if they make profit right now through sleazy tactics, and in the long run a company's baseline depends on their reputation, as DELL, formerly famed for their customer service (RIP) learned.

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post #63 of 89
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Personally I could care less how you twist your mind to satisfy yourself.  Don't be so defensive about being an idiot, makes it sound like I was actually right.

You care enough to reply and dig yourself deeper in. Keep going you might find the bottom.

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post #64 of 89
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You care enough to reply and dig yourself deeper in. Keep going you might find the bottom.

How am I going to let him I don't care, if I don't respond.  Jeez, I wonder why I even bother.

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How am I going to let him I don't care, if I don't respond.  Jeez, I wonder why I even bother.

 

Many also wonder why you bother with your inane posts.

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Many also wonder why you bother with your inane posts.

You speak for the Many? Good for you!

 

Are you saying that crybabies who constantly scream "I'm never buying a Samsung product again" every time AI posts some article that brings up the Samsung/Apple tribulations are not inane?

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You realize that would be Apple products too right? They supply components for many of Apple's products.

Nice try, but I think you already know that he meant to stop buying any Samsung branded products.

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post #68 of 89
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That's two days in a row Apple Insider has posted the same mistake about the damages - and drawn conclusions from this mistake, thus making a bad situation worse. The total damages are over $1 billion!

 

Come on... fix this!

AI won't fix it because it gets more views the way they rewrote the trial history. AI and responsible accurate journalism get further apart every day.

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post #69 of 89
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Personally I could care less how you twist your mind to satisfy yourself.  Don't be so defensive about being an idiot, makes it sound like I was actually right.

The real idiot is the one making your posts.

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post #70 of 89
It may be worth noting that Samsung manufactures some of the components, whereas the entire iPhone/iPad/etc. is designed by Apple. I think there's much more patronage given to a company when one supports their ideas in lieu of their ability to simply mass-produce something that's already been thought of, developed, and perfected.

This isn't to say mass production doesn't require true skill and expertise. It's of a different kind though. In the end, who actually gave birth to the genius idea? That's much more difficult, original and rare. I suppose finding someone to rapidly produce that brilliance is a bit easier.
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You realize that would be Apple products too right? They supply components for many of Apple's products.
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post #72 of 89
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Exactly my point, who the hell cares.  Apple is quite happy to continue dealing with Samsung, yet we have all those idiots on here claiming that will never buy another Samsung product again because they love Apple so much and Samsung is Apples arch-enemy. Cracks me up.

I care and I must be one of those idiots because I will no longer buy any Samsung branded product.

 

Samsung is very good component manufacturer and I have no problem with that division of the company, yet. The division that makes actual products for sale to end users, which is a separate division of Samsung, has no business ethics of any kind. That has shown and proven many times over many years with many different types of products outside of the obvious Apple type products.

 

I am blocking you so I can, hopefully, avoid seeing your irrational posts.

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post #73 of 89
Samsung is a family run business.

They have always run the business on the basis, "do what ever it takes to get what you want".

Regardless of the legal, moral or ethical standings.

Apple has been the ONLY company that has actually followed through with a fight against them.

All the others they either beat or went out of business.

Samsung are simply not use too having someone challenge them and follow through with it.

The CEO is a conflicted fraudster ..... pardoned by the Korean government of course.
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Yes - he is conflicted and was convicted. 

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I see the article STILL isn't fixed re the howler about the (not actually) 'reduced' damages.

 

Notably this howler and the previous one were both written by the same author.

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I care and I must be one of those idiots because I will no longer buy any Samsung branded product.

 

Samsung is very good component manufacturer and I have no problem with that division of the company, yet. The division that makes actual products for sale to end users, which is a separate division of Samsung, has no business ethics of any kind. That has shown and proven many times over many years with many different types of products outside of the obvious Apple type products.

 

I am blocking you so I can, hopefully, avoid seeing your irrational posts.

Whoop de doo!  You basically don't get it. This isn't your fight, it's Apples. If you want to stop buying Samsung products because you feel sad and depressed, go ahead. It won't stop Apple doing business with Samsung. 

 

I think you need an "un-" before your online name. Seems more appropriate.

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Whoop de doo!  You basically don't get it. This isn't your fight, it's Apples. If you want to stop buying Samsung products because you feel sad and depressed, go ahead. It won't stop Apple doing business with Samsung. 

 

I think you need an "un-" before your online name. Seems more appropriate.

 

I stopped buy Samsung products because they are shit and never seem to last, prompting you to buy more Samsung products soon after the warranty expires.

 

If Samsung are masters of anything it would be planned obsolescence.

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I stopped buy Samsung products because they are shit and never seem to last, prompting you to buy more Samsung products soon after the warranty expires.

 

If Samsung are masters of anything it would be planned obsolescence.

I can agree with the reasoning/sentiment of this poster.

post #79 of 89
Leak of discussion leak followed by a leak of inflammatory comments.

Methinks there was no real discussion, just marketing.
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While both Apple and Samsung were found guilty of patent infringement, the disparity was wide: While Apple paid only$158,000 in damages, Samsung was fined $119.6 million. Still, the retrial proved advantageous for Samsung, which saw its original damages reduced from some $1.05 billion.

This is the second time I've seen this mistake made. I expect it from writers at TechnoBuffalo, who published this gem:

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"As two of the industry’s biggest names, Apple and Samsung have developed quite the rivalry, culminating in a recent decision that awarded Apple $120 million in a long-standing patent case. Apple was initially awarded $1 billion in damages for Samsung’s infringements, though that amount was drastically reduced in the final decision. Apple, meanwhile, was ordered to pay just under $160,000 for infringing on Samsung patents."

See it here: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/05/19/apple-and-samsung-reportedly-holding-discussions-to-dismiss-all-lawsuits/ 

But I expect more from AppleInsider. These are two completely different trials. And although the first judgement was reduced from the first trial, it was not done so in a retrial. Judge Koh realized the jury had made an error in their calculations and struck part of the judgement. Further proceedings resulted in the total still being approximately $900 million total for that first trial.

This trial is completely separate from that trial, covering newer products and a different set of patents. So, although the judgement for this trial is much less than the first trial, the total judgement for Apple and against Samsung now exceeds $1 billion.

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