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This study is BS.

 

They say its worldwide value.  But the 2nd biggest market in the world (China) does not even allow Google to be accessed.  Total BS.

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Fair enough. It certainly depends how we classify success. If selling less units than even AppleTV is considered successful, then sure, certainly. I still don't think there was anything innovative about ChromeCast. It didn't offer anything new or anything we didn't see before, it was simply Google's own solution at streaming device content to a TV screen. It isn't even out long enough to judge whether it will have any impact on the industry, hence I believe it is wrong to call a new product innovative, before we even know its impact.

Just because something is not successful does not mean you can discount the hard hard work that people put into it. Many great inventions may fell and someone else will comeback and barrow that idea.

Second how do you know the apple TV sold more then the Chromecast. I am really curious I have yet to see sales figures
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But hey if Apple buys Beats it will jump back to number one in no time! 1rolleyes.gif

I just saw a story in the London Telegraph newspaper that Apple has fallen out or the top 10 in a survey of favorite retailers. Last year they topped the list. I saw another story that Samsung overtook Apple in the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI) for smartphones. Apple has topped this list for at least the past 3 years.

This is what happens when you go silent for 6+ months at a time. You basically create a vacuum, a void that others fill. You allow someone else to create the narrative. Perception then becomes reality. I'll never understand the thinking behind these long bouts of complete silence. I'm sick of other companies making news. I want Apple to be making news (and not over some stupid Beats acquisition).

What if Apple will release new products when they are ready to be released? Did that ever cross your mind? No, it probably did not.
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This study is BS.

 

They say its worldwide value.  But the 2nd biggest market in the world (China) does not even allow Google to be accessed.  Total BS.

 

Really?  I thought Google caved years ago and allowed the Chinese gov't to censor search results thereby allowing Google a presence in China.  For awhile they put a message on their site informing users that the results were being censored, but even that eventually got removed.  Did Google reverse policy and start standing up against Chinese censorship again?

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So I guess in your eyes its perfectly okay for Apple to continuously release nothing from January-September and then in Oct, release everything they've been working on? I do realize things take time and you want to get it mostly right from the start but you have to release things throughout the year. Not everyone is going to wait until Oct to buy the next iPhone, or whatever other thing they're looking to get. Some will just say screw it and either buy the current Apple product, or buy the next best thing (or something better than what Apple offers) because they don't want to always wait until the end of the year. 

“You have to release things throughout the year”

No, you don't.

“Either buy the current Apple product, or buy the next best thing”

Those who care enough will wait, but most people buy a new phone/tablet/computer when they need/want/can afford one.
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What if Apple will release new products when they are ready to be released? Did that ever cross your mind? No, it probably did not.
For the umpteenth time my question is why new products only seem to be ready in September and October. Though rumors are new hardware is coming at WWDC so maybe that pattern will finally change.
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This study is BS.

They say its worldwide value.  But the 2nd biggest market in the world (China) does not even allow Google to be accessed.  Total BS.
And BS last year to when Apple topped it.
post #128 of 198

Google sales: Have stopped growing.

 

Google hardware: Everything has flopped except Chromecast.

 

Google income: Ads.

 

Google value to the public: Maps, Android, Search.

 

The world's top brand?

 

Meh.

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For the umpteenth time my question is why new products only seem to be ready in September and October. Though rumors are new hardware is coming at WWDC so maybe that pattern will finally change.

Product cycles?
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For the umpteenth time my question is why new products only seem to be ready in September and October. Though rumors are new hardware is coming at WWDC so maybe that pattern will finally change.

Um. Because they plan to release product for the all important Holiday qtr.
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And BS last year to when Apple topped it.

Yup. What was their methodology.
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post #131 of 198
Found this link on the IOS stocks app:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/google-overtakes-apple-to-become-the-world-s-most-valuable-company-150058560.html?.tsrc=applewf

other people are spewing this crap. But reading the Yahoo comments, they aren't convinced either.
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“You have to release things throughout the year”

No, you don't.

“Either buy the current Apple product, or buy the next best thing”

Those who care enough will wait, but most people buy a new phone/tablet/computer when they need/want/can afford one.

 

Or they lose out on the sale altogether because they bought something else not Apple because something new came out from a competing company thats better in their eyes. 

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Um. Because they plan to release product for the all important Holiday qtr.
Yup. What was their methodology.

 

And thats fine and dandy, but what about the other 11 months out of the year? 

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And thats fine and dandy, but what about the other 11 months out of the year? 
You mean Apple stopped selling products the rest of the year? Strangely I read Apple sold a record number of iPhones for a March qtr. must be just spin, right.
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You mean Apple stopped selling products the rest of the year? Strangely I read Apple sold a record number of iPhones for a March qtr. must be just spin, right.

 

Apple sells more than just iPhones...remember?

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Apple sells more than just iPhones...remember?

Not seeing what your point. Did they stop selling non iPhones the rest of the year?
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Somewhat related: Google does unique and creative little links above the search box each day, Underneath today's is a shortcut to "50 things you didn't know you could do with Google". One that caught my eye right away was recalling a sent email. There's been a few times that would have been useful.

https://www.google.com/get/googletips

 

Something they stole before they stopped paying licensing for ActiveSync and broke their shitty Gmail.

 

Glad I got rid of the subpar experience Gmail became.

 

Moved back to my 16 year old yahoo address and life continues.

 

Thanks gatorguy for helping me decide to dump ALL things Google.

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Um. Because they plan to release product for the all important Holiday qtr.
Yup. What was their methodology.
So the only important time to release new products is 4th quarter? Mother's Day, Father's Day, graduation, back to school, etc. aren't times people would want to buy new products? Isn't Apple basically creating a very predictable release schedule?
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Payola Baby!
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Apple will never allow "Custer's Revenge" on The App Store 1wink.gif

Lol!, i really hope your wrong :D

 

 

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The latest results from research agency Millward Brown's 2014 100 Top BrandZ report says Google out-innovated Apple with its various "Google X" initiatives like Project Loon and contacts that measure glucose levels for diabetics. This year's Top BrandZ report was first spotted by Business Insider.

Boom!

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/05/21/google-admits-it-may-place-ads-on-thermostats-glasses-car-dashboards-refrigerators

 

 

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post #142 of 198
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So the only important time to release new products is 4th quarter? Mother's Day, Father's Day, graduation, back to school, etc. aren't times people would want to buy new products? Isn't Apple basically creating a very predictable release schedule?

Did Apple stop selling its wares in your area of the world? Nope. If it isn't end-of-lifed or replaced, it's New. What's this fascination of buying as soon as it's released. Granted, I bought my iPhone on Day 1 but I bought my Mac a few months after release. Hell, people are still buying iPhones, iPads, Macs.

Who cares if it's predictable.

In the consumer electronics biz, the holiday qtr is the best qtr.
post #143 of 198

Lolz at all of you freaking out! If it was Apple that was still #1 you wouldn't be saying this is a BS study.

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Lolz at all of you freaking out! If it was Apple that was still #1 you wouldn't be saying this is a BS study.

LOL look at you overgeneralising, trying to make something out of something that really isn't there, just like so many before you.

Gnashing of teeth much?
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Not seeing what your point. Did they stop selling non iPhones the rest of the year?

 

Nobody ever said they stopped selling anything. The point was, nothing ever gets updated until the very very end of the year. There are other good times throughout the year where people want to buy things for different occasions, or just buy them in general. So yes, they can buy what's currently available to them at Apple, or they can choose to go elsewhere and not buy Apple products because something better is out somewhere's else, or something newer is out. You can't always bank on people just always using Apple products. 

 

Stop thinking about the fucking iPhone for once and maybe you'll understand what I and others are saying. Apple is more than just the god damn iPhone!

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LOL look at you overgeneralising, trying to make something out of something that really isn't there, just like so many before you.

Gnashing of teeth much?

Oh ok let me fix that for you. *some of you. Happy now?

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Nobody ever said they stopped selling anything. The point was, nothing ever gets updated until the very very end of the year. There are other good times throughout the year where people want to buy things for different occasions, or just buy them in general. So yes, they can buy what's currently available to them at Apple, or they can choose to go elsewhere and not buy Apple products because something better is out somewhere's else, or something newer is out. You can't always bank on people just always using Apple products. 

Stop thinking about the fucking iPhone for once and maybe you'll understand what I and others are saying. Apple is more than just the god damn iPhone!

Apple isn't going to refresh its product lines more than once a year so again why should they spread the new release dates throughout the year. People upgrade when they need to. Something is always going to be newer. That's technology. Say they release a new Mac in March. What are they going to do in Dec? Release another one? Something will be newer from competitors year round.
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Apple isn't going to refresh its product lines more than once a year so again why should they spread the new release dates throughout the year. People upgrade when they need to. Something is always going to be newer. That's technology. Say they release a new Mac in March. What are they going to do in Dec? Release another one? Something will be newer from competitors year round.

 

Never mind, you don't get it and apparently you never will. *sighs*

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Apple isn't going to refresh its product lines more than once a year so again why should they spread the new release dates throughout the year. People upgrade when they need to. Something is always going to be newer. That's technology. Say they release a new Mac in March. What are they going to do in Dec? Release another one? Something will be newer from competitors year round.

I don't think he's asking for products to be updated more than once a year, but for the products to be spread out more throughout the year. I've certainly talked about this plenty of times. Having to drop money on an iPhone, iPad and Mac all in the same month isn't an obstacle for me, but I bet for many it becomes a one-or-the-other scenario with the next time they can spend the money they may choose to wait instead of buying a product that is halfway through its release cycle.

This move from the Spring iPad and Summer iPhone to consolidate all to the Autumn may not have only just hurt Apple's ability to get purchases throughout the year for multiple categories but also forced many buyers to go multiple years between updates because of the aforementioned reasons. Of course, there are other considerations from Apple's PoV, like sourcing components, but looking only at the release schedule it would probably behoove them to do a more staggered release so they can capitalize on their customers' desire for getting new gadgets throughout the year.

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I don't get it. What pct of consumers buy a Mac, phone, iPad in the same year. < 5%? More like 1%. People buy things when they need them. Tech geeks may buy at first release but we're not the majority.
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I don't get it. What pct of consumers buy a Mac, phone, iPad in the same year. < 5%? More like 1%. People buy things when they need them. Tech geeks may buy at first release but we're not the majority.

My anecdotal comment had nothing to do what the norm does, but you may want to refer to any Head & Shoulders commercials for why they are less likely to buy more product when all the releases are piled together into a single day to month. This gets even less ideal for Apple if the release a new Apple TV, wearable computer, or other rumoured deices.


PS: No one needs an iPad or needs an iWatch. You don't even need a Mac or an iPhone when you can get by with a lesser "PC" or handset. We get these things because they are make our lives easier.. but they all cost money.

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post #152 of 198
IBM and Microsoft above McDonalds and Coke?

Psh.
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Lolz at all of you freaking out! If it was Apple that was still #1 you wouldn't be saying this is a BS study.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/05/21/google-admits-it-may-place-ads-on-thermostats-glasses-car-dashboards-refrigerators

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Lolz at all of you freaking out! If it was Apple that was still #1 you wouldn't be saying this is a BS study.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/05/21/google-admits-it-may-place-ads-on-thermostats-glasses-car-dashboards-refrigerators

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Never mind, you don't get it and apparently you never will. *sighs*

Sony, HTC and Samsung all in a row,
Annual release of flagships a month ago now,
They look at a calendar to see where to get,
As far from iPhone launch when the juggernaught turns their sales to shit.
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Never mind, you don't get it and apparently you never will. *sighs*

I get it, jungmark gets it, solipsism x gets it.

What you and other impatient, technically ignorant schedule fetishists like Rogifan don't get is that we have been in a long period of display drought, during which Apple has not been able to source the next quantum leap in resolution. We have no retina MacBook Air, for example, because when that arrives Apple is going to need X millions of IGZO or LTPS backplanes which could not be manufactured by any facility in the world up until the time it's released by Apple. Thus, there is no IGZO 4K monitor from Apple, other than the one made by Sharp.

The last time Rogifan brought up this trollbook issue, it was one of his storms of kvetching over how long it has taken Apple to come out with larger-screened phones, when it seemed to his dim lights that everyone else had been able to do it two years ago. I went through the arguments exhaustively (his trollbook MO demands this) then, and I don't feel like doing it now. You can do a search under LTPS display shortage and find AI articles that say there will be constrained capacity until 2014 in this ONE ASPECT of the things that have been working against more frequent evolutionary leaps in Apple's product lines that contain displays. You also have to consider that they can't finalize processors, batteries, controllers, software and all physical aspects of the device until the displays are in hand, or supplies secured, in the tens of millions in some cases. So where HTC or Lenovo might need a million, Apple will need five, ten, or forty million.

Rogifan wants to see where this is written up. It isn't written up anywhere that I know of, because it's common sense and common logic to anyone paying attention who also understands cause-and-effect chains of reasoning. Do your own homework.
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So the only important time to release new products is 4th quarter? Mother's Day, Father's Day, graduation, back to school, etc. aren't times people would want to buy new products? Isn't Apple basically creating a very predictable release schedule?

Brilliant retail logic. You could have a great career with CVS, Senior Vice-President, Seasonal Sales.

My post 157 above was directed at you as much as at macexpress.
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I don't get it. What pct of consumers buy a Mac, phone, iPad in the same year. < 5%? More like 1%. People buy things when they need them. Tech geeks may buy at first release but we're not the majority.

Exactly. This is the anti-Apple troll issue of the week. Last week is was the Beats acquisition. Week before that it was how late is Apple's big screen phone initiative.

Next issue it will be . . .? Seems like a good game. Troll topic of the week.
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I don't think he's asking for products to be updated more than once a year, but for the products to be spread out more throughout the year. I've certainly talked about this plenty of times. Having to drop money on an iPhone, iPad and Mac all in the same month isn't an obstacle for me, but I bet for many it becomes a one-or-the-other scenario with the next time they can spend the money they may choose to wait instead of buying a product that is halfway through its release cycle.

This move from the Spring iPad and Summer iPhone to consolidate all to the Autumn may not have only just hurt Apple's ability to get purchases throughout the year for multiple categories but also forced many buyers to go multiple years between updates because of the aforementioned reasons. Of course, there are other considerations from Apple's PoV, like sourcing components, but looking only at the release schedule it would probably behoove them to do a more staggered release so they can capitalize on their customers' desire for getting new gadgets throughout the year.
Thank you. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand.
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