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It's a saturated market but with a short product life cycle. Another company can easily turn the tide in a year.

 

Just like they did last year.  Or the year before.  Or the year before that.  Or the year ...

 

Oh, wait.

 

There is no "the next Samsung."  It's over.  The war's been fought, victors have been declared.  Documents signed.  Apple and Samsung won.  Everyone else -- EVERYONE -- is either simply treading water or consistently in the red.  Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.

 

By the time another significant player in the mobile space exists -- and that won't be for a long while -- everything will be so totally different that any infringement case now would be meaningless.  There's simply no reason for Apple to go after the HTCs, LGs, and Motos of the world.  It's pointless.

 

Hell, I'm convinced that only reason this whole Apple/Samsung thing is still going on is out of spite.  

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Just like they did last year.  Or the year before.  Or the year before that.  Or the year ...

Oh, wait.

There is no "the next Samsung."  It's over.  The war's been fought, victors have been declared.  Documents signed.  Apple and Samsung won.  Everyone else -- EVERYONE -- is either simply treading water or consistently in the red.  Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.

By the time another significant player in the mobile space exists -- and that won't be for a long while -- everything will be so totally different that any infringement case now would be meaningless.  There's simply no reason for Apple to go after the HTCs, LGs, and Motos of the world.  It's pointless.

Hell, I'm convinced that only reason this whole Apple/Samsung thing is still going on is out of spite.  

That's a loser's way of thinking. I'm sure Palm, and Blackberry thought the same way. That wasn't too long ago. Things can change overnight. Nothing is won since there isn't an end game. The 'winner' today could be tomorrow's 'loser'.
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post #43 of 48
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That's a loser's way of thinking. I'm sure Palm, and Blackberry thought the same way. That wasn't too long ago. Things can change overnight. Nothing is won since there isn't an end game. The 'winner' today could be tomorrow's 'loser'.

 

Nope.  It can't be tomorrow, actually.

 

Could it be a decade from now?  Sure.  Will UI elements in mobile devices be similar to what we have now?  No, they won't.  Infringement cases over particular elements that won't even exist by the time they are relevant accomplish what, exactly?

 

Here, a bit of what things looked like a decade ago in mobile:

 

And remember, this wasn't some cheapo no-name phone at the time.  It was CUTTING EDGE!

 

So, no:  Nothing's going to change tomorrow.  None of the others in the business of mobile have the resources to compete with Apple or Samsung.  None of the others have the ability to do any harm to Apple or Samsung.

 

Any sea change that occurs will be far (in tech terms) in the future.

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Nope.  It can't be tomorrow, actually.

Could it be a decade from now?  Sure.  Will UI elements in mobile devices be similar to what we have now?  No, they won't.  Infringement cases over particular elements that won't even exist by the time they are relevant accomplish what, exactly?

Here, a bit of what things looked like a decade ago in mobile:



And remember, this wasn't some cheapo no-name phone at the time.  It was CUTTING EDGE!

So, no:  Nothing's going to change tomorrow.  None of the others in the business of mobile have the resources to compete with Apple or Samsung.  None of the others have the ability to do any harm to Apple or Samsung.

Any sea change that occurs will be far (in tech terms) in the future.

Yet you're forgetting that Apple took on the incumbent heavyweights. What you're saying is the same thing all the doubters said. It didn't happen overnight but how long did it take for Palm to disappear? BB is on it's last leg. How long can Samsung continue to fool consumers?
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post #45 of 48
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Yet you're forgetting that Apple took on the incumbent heavyweights. What you're saying is the same thing all the doubters said. It didn't happen overnight but how long did it take for Palm to disappear? BB is on it's last leg. How long can Samsung continue to fool consumers?

 

Samsung can continue to do what it does as long as it has the resources to spend billions and billions and billions of dollars on marketing.

 

Beyond that though, there is the question of the sheer size and gravity of Samsung's position in the market.  It takes resources to move an object like Samsung.  LG?  HTC?  Not a chance.  They simply don't have the ability to make a dent.  Samsung has (in terms of this particular issue) nearly unlimited resources.  HTC has very few resources.

 

And lets face it: What is the difference between one Android phone and another?  It's just a specs battle.  And there will always be positive and negative reviews for any given phone.  So when it comes down to it it's about two things: Marketing and an already installed costumer base.  No one has anything close to Samsung in either category.

 

Do you really see someone like LG coming out with something completely revolutionary that not only catapults them into the lead, but changes the very game being played (the way the iPhone did, for instance)?  Come on.

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Samsung can continue to do what it does as long as it has the resources to spend billions and billions and billions of dollars on marketing.

Beyond that though, there is the question of the sheer size and gravity of Samsung's position in the market.  It takes resources to move an object like Samsung.  LG?  HTC?  Not a chance.  They simply don't have the ability to make a dent.  Samsung has (in terms of this particular issue) nearly unlimited resources.  HTC has very few resources.

And lets face it: What is the difference between one Android phone and another?  It's just a specs battle.  And there will always be positive and negative reviews for any given phone.  So when it comes down to it it's about two things: Marketing and an already installed costumer base.  No one has anything close to Samsung in either category.

Do you really see someone like LG coming out with something completely revolutionary that not only catapults them into the lead, but changes the very game being played (the way the iPhone did, for instance)?  Come on.

Nobody ever sees the knockout punch.
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post #47 of 48
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Nobody ever sees the knockout punch.

 

Sorry but that is neither a refutation of what I said -- and it's also not true, if you go back you will see that Blackberry DID in fact see what the iPhone was going to do to them -- nor is it even close to an argument in favor of your original point, which was:

 

Apple should bother suing companies like HTC to make some difference in the future, because someone like HTC might be the next Samsung.

 

You still have made no rational argument in favor of that stance.

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Sorry but that is neither a refutation of what I said -- and it's also not true, if you go back you will see that Blackberry DID in fact see what the iPhone was going to do to them -- nor is it even close to an argument in favor of your original point, which was:

Apple should bother suing companies like HTC to make some difference in the future, because someone like HTC might be the next Samsung..
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Samsung can continue to do what it does as long as it has the resources to spend billions and billions and billions of dollars on marketing.

Beyond that though, there is the question of the sheer size and gravity of Samsung's position in the market.  It takes resources to move an object like Samsung.  LG?  HTC?  Not a chance.  They simply don't have the ability to make a dent.  Samsung has (in terms of this particular issue) nearly unlimited resources.  HTC has very few resources.
Apple and HTC already settled everything, dropped all lawsuits and have a 10 year licensing agreement with current and future patents.
Nothing to sue over.
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