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In short, you'll need a product that ties and manages your power systems as an automated platform that communicates to your iOS devices, which can control the lights, power the appliances, etc. Then again, other than on/off most appliances are dumb units. 

As I see it, an essential feature of a smart house would extend the simple on/off control functionality to the ability to query the system remotely and make changes to automated  settings. I would want a control panel on my iPhone to display the current status and be able to adjust the settings as needed. One thing that is annoying with current apps is that you need a different app for each appliance. One for the door lock, another for the garage door, another for the lights. It would be nice to have an Apple app that you can add appliances into so all your settings are in one place, hence, you would probably need an Apple home server that controlled all your smart appliances. It would be the server that would bridge the communication between the appliances and the Apple app.

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The only role of the iBeacon is to advertise to the phones of its own existence at the physical location. Why do I need iBeacon to tell me I'm in front of the fridge when I'm in my kitchen? I guess if I were blind that would be useful but that still wouldn't mean that these location-based beacons need to be built into appliances themselves.

What needs to happen are protocols that allow Bluetooth or WiFi to be used to send data to from connected devices locally and/or the internet so you can turn off/on, adjust, get warnings, etc. about various electronic devices in the home. iBeacons can't do any of that.

I think believes that iBeacons will signal to the phone when you come in. Instead it should be a smarter device which react to the phone rather than vice versa, ie enter the living room and the TV turns on.
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I have a 100mb fibre connection. No need for power lines.
The speed of the connection is perhaps the least of it. It's about how you get all the devices that need to communicate with each other connected in the first place. Especially since a vast majority of it will have to be retro-fitted.

Bingo!

Each device has an unique ID -- like a UUID.
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I wish Apple would unveil a whole new ATV OS - built from the ground up- ios7 inspired- new screensavers,etc. . And a new high-powered White ATV which can only run it.
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 Instead it should be a smarter device which react to the phone rather than vice versa, ie enter the living room and the TV turns on.

No!

 

I want to say "TV on" when I want the TV on. I dislike automated help. It is more difficult to go turn off the TV when you didn't want it on in the first place, especially when the volume was set to 11 and a baby was sleeping. Didn't you learn anything from Microsoft Clippy?

 

Siri: You are within 20 m of a McDonalds. I ordered you a hamburger.

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I think believes that iBeacons will signal to the phone when you come in. Instead it should be a smarter device which react to the phone rather than vice versa, ie enter the living room and the TV turns on.

OK, if the iPhone acts as the iBeacon node, which is possible, then all the appliances/devices that are set up to respond to it's local presence would work. That does mean, at this point, they would all have to be running iOS, which might be feasible for a large appliance but not for a lightbulb, and I don't think we'll be seeing Apple start making any of the home appliances/devices.

However, while it might be cool to have your music, lights, TV show/movie on your TV follow you as you change rooms we don't always carry our phones on our person at home so this would be something that the "iWatch" would be great for since it's something you wear and easily could be an iBeacon.

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Establishing standard communication protocols is important I think. For example my garage doors have some smart home certified logo on them which is compatible with built-in automobile remote controls. If Apple can define the new standard such as they have done with iBeacons then all manufacturers can move forward quickly.  Right now there are several competing process automation control protocols.

To you point about aesthetics, I never considered a driveway as a solar collector. I like that idea. I have been struggling with the solar design for my new home because I want it to look like a traditional Spanish colonial but be all high-tech behind the scenes.



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No!

I want to say "TV on" when I want the TV on. I dislike automated help. It is more difficult to go turn off the TV when you didn't want it on in the first place, especially when the volume was set to 11 and a baby was sleeping. Didn't you learn anything from Microsoft Clippy?

Siri: You are within 20 m of a McDonalds. I ordered you a hamburger.

Well. You will be able to set it to not turn on, turn on at certain times only and turn on the music at others etc.
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OK, if the iPhone acts as the iBeacon node, which is possible, then all the appliances/devices that are set up to respond to it's local presence would work. That does mean, at this point, they would all have to be running iOS, which might be feasible for a large appliance but not for a lightbulb, and I don't think we'll be seeing Apple start making any of the home appliances/devices.

However, while it might be cool to have your music, lights, TV show/movie on your TV follow you as you change rooms we don't always carry our phones on our person at home so this would be something that the "iWatch" would be great for since it's something you wear and easily could be an iBeacon.

They don't have to have iOS. Just conform to a protocol and communicate with your device. Phone or watch. Whatever.
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Well. You will be able to set it to not turn on, turn on at certain times only and turn on the music at others etc.

You're right. Set to never. The problem is too complicated. If I leave the room to get my guest a drink from the kitchen, I don't want the lights and the TV to turn off leaving him sitting in the dark.

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I don't see the widespread appeal.  It just doesn't seem like the "next great thing".

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Hopefully, Apple is targeting something more long-term like Off-the-Grid Power from Solar/Wind management tools/hardware etc, to provide a platform for Enterprises and Small-to-Large Businesses.

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post #94 of 149
Perhaps Apple could start by fixing the AppleTV from dropping offline with the computer (connects via AirPort Express) halfway thru a movie.
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What I mean is that wouldn't the house itself need to be wired to accept input from iOS devices?

For example, wouldn't I need to hook some dongle or have a hard-wire to my lights, television, oven etc to enable my iDevices to turn them on wirelessly when I enter the room?

Sure, they'd need to work with the other devices, but that's something that will be made for that, like with Phillips Hue. There won't be a dongle for your current oven/stove, instead you'll have to wait until Apple makes one, or rather, Apple releases protocols and guidelines that allow household appliance makers to work with an Apple device. Not unlike how iBeacons use standard protocols that OS vendor can access, although I'd expect that this would use an encrypted connection and be a two-way communication.

There are [power line control] switches and outlets currently available at reasonable prices. Also there are warts that plug into an existing outlet, then you plug the device into the wart.

So it is possible to bring existing, non-smart, devices under control without having to replace/upgrade all your lamps, appliances at once.

The big payback for homes is, likely, HVAC monitoring and control -- and that's doable now, with, say, a 3-5 year ROI for the cost of devices and installation.
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You're right. Set to never. The problem is too complicated. If I leave the room to get my guest a drink from the kitchen, I don't want the lights and the TV to turn off leaving him sitting in the dark.

 

For some of my guests that would be absolutely perfect.

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I don't see the widespread appeal.  It just doesn't seem like the "next great thing".

 

I remember reading an article from around 1906-1908 that said the same thing about telephones.

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http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml



Those look great -- but I suspect they'd be hotter than hell to walk on in your bare feet!

When we lived in ChicagoLand we had a house that had a heated garage floor and a heater driveway ...

Worked great, except the city didn't have heated roadways -- and only a few snowplows 1smile.gif

Edit: Hmmm ... come to think about it -- sapphire has great strength and heat/power dissipation capabilities ...

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Sounds interesting. If Apple does go down this route, I hope they really invest in it and really push it. Not have it be something like Passbook or the MFI game controllers that haven't really taken off.
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you can't really blame apple for third-party API initiatives.

that being said -- there are a half-dozen different game controllers? and every major airline and venue ticketing system uses Passbook? not sure why thats a failure in your eyes...i use Passbook every time i travel and it's great.

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All I want for now is a light switch with a timer. And for the control of the timer to be on my phone. That's all the home automation I'll need. Then they can add to the iPhone an app for the garage door opener and a remote for the tv.

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http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml

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Chasing Google again then, gotta catch up /s

To be accurate, Apple would have to have been thinking, designing, and engineering along these lines for at least a year, likely several to be ready to announce the effort next week. So Google's quite recent purchase of Nest amounts to Google attempting to buy their way into a game that Apple has already been playing at.

If it comes to that, Google has been playing about with home automation for several years .. with no discernable results, but a lot of software development and concepts that they dropped again .. for whatever reason. The Nest purchase was, as far as I can recall the third iteration.

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I remember reading an article from around 1906-1908 that said the same thing about telephones.

Yeah, "No self-respecting man would be caught dead talking to a box in the wall."
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I remember reading an article from around 1906-1908 that said the same thing about telephones.

It's not like we were all smart enough to see a revolution coming. Back then, I thought there might be a revolution in opening your garage door, balancing your checkbook, keeping your recipes, that sort of thing. There are a million people who study markets and analyze economic trends, people who are more brilliant that I am, people who worked for companies like Digital Equipment and IBM and Hewlett-Packard. None of them foresaw what was going to happen, either.

-- Steve Wozniak

Perhaps not a great example as I don't think anyone ever called Woz a visionary. Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant engineer but that's a very different thing.

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The only role of the iBeacon is to advertise to the phones of its own existence at the physical location. Why do I need iBeacon to tell me I'm in front of the fridge when I'm in my kitchen? I guess if I were blind that would be useful but that still wouldn't mean that these location-based beacons need to be built into appliances themselves.

What needs to happen are protocols that allow Bluetooth or WiFi to be used to send data to from connected devices locally and/or the internet so you can turn off/on, adjust, get warnings, etc. about various electronic devices in the home. iBeacons can't do any of that.

 

There are two types of iBeacons - those that are "dumb" and only transmit and those that allow data transfer between your iPhone and the iBeacon.

 

I don't need an iBeacon on my fridge, but an iBeacon in every room that automatically configures my iPhone depending on where I am is one application. There are lots of advanced remote controls that allow you to save multiple setups. You switch setups based on where you are (one for the home theatre in the living room and one for the TV or compact stereo on your bedroom, for example). With iBeacons your iPhone automatically gets configured for you whichever room you're in. Taking this even further, when I'm in the living room with my iPhone the TV is set up to show only my favorite channels and my recordings.

 

There are other uses. Having your lights in your driveway/porch come on when you arrive at your house. Having TouchID pop up on your iPhone to unlock your front door as you walk up to it.

 

Right now there are several protocols in use for home automation. Plus several proprietary ones. Everything from WiFI to LAN to BT to oldies like RS-232 serial or infrared. To make legacy products work Apple could create low-cost development kits which contain the iBeacon and an external interface. You place the iBeacon/Interface by your older model Denon receiver and suddenly it now works with your iPhone and integrates with other devices in your house. Hell, Apple doesn't even need to make the kits - there are already numerous companies making iBeacon development kits & tools. All Apple really needs is to define a standardized protocol/API so developers of these kits will ensure they work with Apple devices. It would also allow appliance manufacturers (for example) to integrate iBeacon into their products (just like audio companies make AirPlay compatible components).

 

iBeacons/Bluetooth is cheaper than WiFi. It's a great solution to add connectivity to all sorts of devices without overloading your WiFi router with countless connections. Devices that need constant connections (or higher speed data) can use powerline networking to again free up the airwaves from numerous WiFi devices. I only want my laptop/iPhone/iPad on Wifi, not every device in my house.

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There are two types of iBeacons - those that are "dumb" and only transmit and those that allow data transfer between your iPhone and the iBeacon.

I don't need an iBeacon on my fridge, but an iBeacon in every room that automatically configures my iPhone depending on where I am is one application. There are lots of advanced remote controls that allow you to save multiple setups. You switch setups based on where you are (one for the home theatre in the living room and one for the TV or compact stereo on your bedroom, for example). With iBeacons your iPhone automatically gets configured for you whichever room you're in. Taking this even further, when I'm in the living room with my iPhone the TV is set up to show only my favorite channels and my recordings.

There are other uses. Having your lights in your driveway/porch come on when you arrive at your house. Having TouchID pop up on your iPhone to unlock your front door as you walk up to it.

Right now there are several protocols in use for home automation. Plus several proprietary ones. Everything from WiFI to LAN to BT to oldies like RS-232 serial or infrared. To make legacy products work Apple could create low-cost development kits which contain the iBeacon and an external interface. You place the iBeacon/Interface by your older model Denon receiver and suddenly it now works with your iPhone and integrates with other devices in your house. Hell, Apple doesn't even need to make the kits - there are already numerous companies making iBeacon development kits & tools. All Apple really needs is to define a standardized protocol/API so developers of these kits will ensure they work with Apple devices. It would also allow appliance manufacturers (for example) to integrate iBeacon into their products (just like audio companies make AirPlay compatible components).

iBeacons/Bluetooth is cheaper than WiFi. It's a great solution to add connectivity to all sorts of devices without overloading your WiFi router with countless connections. Devices that need constant connections (or higher speed data) can use powerline networking to again free up the airwaves from numerous WiFi devices. I only want my laptop/iPhone/iPad on Wifi, not every device in my house.

I don't see why any of that has to be iBeacons and not simply Bluetooth that causes a system to react in a certain way when a connection is made, like getting close enough to your house that lights turn on.

Most of the uses I see would have nothing to do with your location, but rather being able to let you know if there is an issue or control your devices remotely via iCloud. This would not utilize iBeacons protocols at all.

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iBeacons/Bluetooth is cheaper than WiFi. It's a great solution to add connectivity to all sorts of devices without overloading your WiFi router with countless connections. Devices that need constant connections (or higher speed data) can use powerline networking to again free up the airwaves from numerous WiFi devices. I only want my laptop/iPhone/iPad on Wifi, not every device in my house.

How is an iBeacon going to let me confirm that I did not leave the garage door open when I left for work? Or open it remotely for the UPS driver to place my package inside, then close it again. I don't really want automation as much as I want control.


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Awesome!

It is awesome ... for some use cases.

But, when you realize that many places in the country have cold winters with ice and snow. Because of that, roads are quite different in those places -- no reflectors in the road surface (center lines, lane edges, fire hydrant locations, etc) no imbedded traffic sensors in the road surfaces, etc, -- nothing that could be ripped up by a snow plow. Then, there's the whole infrastructure in place to plow, salt and maintain these roads -- with a vested interest in the status quo.

The video asserts that the roads can be heated (at what cost) to prevent the need for plowing.

I'm not saying that there isn't practical application for this kind of tech in some places -- but I doubt that it has as universal applicability as the video suggests.

But there are some places like Downtown Phoenix which have become heat islands -- they could benefit greatly from this tech ... 'cept during monsoon season when the roads are awash with water.

Ha! I remember one really wet monsoon season in the Tucson foothills. After a really hard rain one afternoon, there was so much water in the ground that it drove the tarantulas out of their nests -- they headed for the high ground -- the roads. Never saw anything like it -- the roads were literally crawling with spiders ... Really slick and almost impossible to drive anywhere ... better than a snow day!
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There are [power line control] switches and outlets currently available at reasonable prices. Also there are warts that plug into an existing outlet, then you plug the device into the wart.

So it is possible to bring existing, non-smart, devices under control without having to replace/upgrade all your lamps, appliances at once.

The big payback for homes is, likely, HVAC monitoring and control -- and that's doable now, with, say, a 3-5 year ROI for the cost of devices and installation.

Indeed there are devices available.  I have been using low level home automation with X10 and now Insteon for more than a decade.  I now can control most of my lighting with my iPhone from anywhere via Indigo.  I can also view security cameras on the phone.  There are two distinct markets for home automation and Apple.  One is the retrofit like I have done.  it is sometimes messy, but it works.  However, it is not for people who don't like to fiddle around with tech gizmos.  There are problems and there always will be.  The second market is new homes.  This brings the control of devices to a much higher level and is very expensive.  I know of at least two people who got all excited by the idea of automating their new homes and then dropped the plans once they found out how much it cost.  If Apple will bring their typical "slickness" to home automation they might be on to something.  I also think any move by Apple into this arena will be a slow and longer term bet on their part.

 

This biggest problem with HA is the lack of any real standard.  Light switched, sockets, light, fans, motors appliances etc all adhere to an electrical standard and a mechanical standard for connections etc.  Someone, hopefully Apple, needs to bring a similar standard to HA and connected devices.  The Internet of Thing will be a colossal mess unless it gets standardized early on.

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It's not like we were all smart enough to see a revolution coming. Back then, I thought there might be a revolution in opening your garage door, balancing your checkbook, keeping your recipes, that sort of thing. There are a million people who study markets and analyze economic trends, people who are more brilliant that I am, people who worked for companies like Digital Equipment and IBM and Hewlett-Packard. None of them foresaw what was going to happen, either.

-- Steve Wozniak

Perhaps not a great example as I don't think anyone ever called Woz a visionary. Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant engineer but that's a very different thing.

 

The telephone in 1906-1908 was not so rudimentary anymore. It was basically in its final form for a few years to come. For someone at that point to say that it has no future would have been the same as someone looking at an Apple computer or and IBM Jr. and saying the same thing.

 

I can fully appreciate someone looking at a mainframe from the 1960s and not being able to see a use for it at home.

 

... or maybe I just read your comment wrong.  lol


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But, when you realize that many places in the country have cold winters with ice and snow. Because of that, roads are quite different in those places -- no reflectors in the road surface (center lines, lane edges, fire hydrant locations, etc) no imbedded traffic sensors in the road surfaces, etc, -- nothing that could be ripped up by a snow plow. Then, there's the whole infrastructure in place to plow, salt and maintain these roads -- with a vested interest in the status quo.

I hear ya. I remember years ago I was driving down PCH in Laguna at night and there are crosswalks with no traffic signals, You are just supposed to stop. I almost didn't see these young people trying to cross the street and I was so thankful that I finally saw them in time. When I got home I called my dad who was in Colorado and told him of my idea to have lights in the road to flash when people were trying to cross. He immediately said that will never work in Colorado because of snow plows.

 

Now, all over Southern California they have flashing crosswalks including the one that I was talking about in Laguna. They say in the video that they have solved that issue so I don't see why it won't work.

 

I especially like the heated road surface, then you don't need snow plows. The cost is easily absorbed by the fact that the US alone could be powering the entire planet with excess energy. I don't think the cost of heating the roadways in the north is that much of a reach, well except perhaps in the northeast where the trash, paving and snow plowing industries are controlled mostly by the guys with those crooked noses. What was I thinking? Forget about it!

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.... northeast where the trash, paving and snow plowing industries are controlled mostly by the guys with those crooked noses. What was I thinking? Forget about it!

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It is awesome ... for some use cases.

But, when you realize that many places in the country have cold winters with ice and snow. Because of that, roads are quite different in those places -- no reflectors in the road surface (center lines, lane edges, fire hydrant locations, etc) no imbedded traffic sensors in the road surfaces, etc, -- nothing that could be ripped up by a snow plow. Then, there's the whole infrastructure in place to plow, salt and maintain these roads -- with a vested interest in the status quo.

The video asserts that the roads can be heated (at what cost) to prevent the need for plowing.

I'm not saying that there isn't practical application for this kind of tech in some places -- but I doubt that it has as universal applicability as the video suggests.

But there are some places like Downtown Phoenix which have become heat islands -- they could benefit greatly from this tech ... 'cept during monsoon season when the roads are awash with water.

Ha! I remember one really wet monsoon season in the Tucson foothills. After a really hard rain one afternoon, there was so much water in the ground that it drove the tarantulas out of their nests -- they headed for the high ground -- the roads. Never saw anything like it -- the roads were literally crawling with spiders ... Really slick and almost impossible to drive anywhere ... better than a snow day!

 

I think that, more than anything, these are concepts that need to have all the bugs ironed out. It's going to take a while. Certainly not within the next 20 years.

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How is an iBeacon going to let me confirm that I did not leave the garage door open when I left for work? Or open it remotely for the UPS driver to place my package inside, then close it again. I don't really want automation as much as I want control.

iBeacon is a word that is [mis]applied to several, varying capabilities.

But there are some devices that take advantage of Apple's iBeacon standard -- but are capable of doing a lot more sensing and yes, even initiate control using WiFi, Cell, power line, BTLE, etc.

A good example of this is the $25 TI SensorTag:



This device has the following sensors built in:

2.5 Sensors
2.5.1 Contactless IR Temperature Sensor
2.5.2 Accelerometer
2.5.3 Humidity Sensor
2.5.4 Magnetometer/Compass
2.5.5 Barometric Pressure Sensor
2.5.6 Gyroscope

http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/SensorTag_User_Guide

All of these can be accessed via an iBeacon-like app with BTLE extensions.

If you take the time to peruse their docs, you will find it is a quite capable device/app.

Certainly, WiFi or straight [non-iBeacon] protocols may have superior application for static and/or anticipated situations such as your, afore-mentioned garage door.

But what about mobile uses, around the home -- it may be better to install a more inexpensive iBeacon device to detect breaking windows, unexpected window or door openings, unexpected temperature.humidity in the greenhouse, etc.

I suspect the winners will deploy several technologies to satisfy home-automation needs.
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There are [power line control] switches and outlets currently available at reasonable prices. Also there are warts that plug into an existing outlet, then you plug the device into the wart.


So it is possible to bring existing, non-smart, devices under control without having to replace/upgrade all your lamps, appliances at once.


The big payback for homes is, likely, HVAC monitoring and control -- and that's doable now, with, say, a 3-5 year ROI for the cost of devices and installation.
Indeed there are devices available.  I have been using low level home automation with X10 and now Insteon for more than a decade.  I now can control most of my lighting with my iPhone from anywhere via Indigo.  I can also view security cameras on the phone.  There are two distinct markets for home automation and Apple.  One is the retrofit like I have done.  it is sometimes messy, but it works.  However, it is not for people who don't like to fiddle around with tech gizmos.  There are problems and there always will be.  The second market is new homes.  This brings the control of devices to a much higher level and is very expensive.  I know of at least two people who got all excited by the idea of automating their new homes and then dropped the plans once they found out how much it cost.  If Apple will bring their typical "slickness" to home automation they might be on to something.  I also think any move by Apple into this arena will be a slow and longer term bet on their part.

This biggest problem with HA is the lack of any real standard.  Light switched, sockets, light, fans, motors appliances etc all adhere to an electrical standard and a mechanical standard for connections etc.  Someone, hopefully Apple, needs to bring a similar standard to HA and connected devices.  The Internet of Thing will be a colossal mess unless it gets standardized early on.

Ha! I can remember as far back as 1978 when I saw a Mountain Computer solution for the Apple ][. Their system included software, a microphone peripheral card, a clock peripheral card and an I/O peripheral card that could control a device.

1) You trained the software to recognize voice commands.

2) You set the software to respond with certain actions when recognizing commands from the microphone or clock

3) The software would issue the necessary commands to the I/O card to control the target device.

The dealers had a demo kit that included the above plus a miniature garage door [in frame] and a small light bulb.

After a few minutes of training ... "Open garage door";  "Turn on light";  "Turn off light";  "Close garage door".

AIR, the Mountain Computer package retailed for about $300-400 ($1,000-$3,000 in today's dollars).


That was 36 years ago! Most of today's iBeacon devices have ARM APUs and communication capability far superior to that old Apple ][.
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How is an iBeacon going to let me confirm that I did not leave the garage door open when I left for work? Or open it remotely for the UPS driver to place my package inside, then close it again. I don't really want automation as much as I want control.
It won't do the remote checking or opening for the UPS guy. That's what traditional connections are for (like power line networking, which works without having to put WiFi in the garage).

However, an iBeacon will detect when your iPhone leaves the garage and can close your garage door if you forget. Likewise an iBeacon could lock your front door as soon as you leave the house.

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Nearables connected to farables, that is sensors connected to servers.
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It is awesome ... for some use cases.


But, when you realize that many places in the country have cold winters with ice and snow. Because of that, roads are quite different in those places -- no reflectors in the road surface (center lines, lane edges, fire hydrant locations, etc) no imbedded traffic sensors in the road surfaces, etc, -- nothing that could be ripped up by a snow plow. Then, there's the whole infrastructure in place to plow, salt and maintain these roads -- with a vested interest in the status quo.


The video asserts that the roads can be heated (at what cost) to prevent the need for plowing.


I'm not saying that there isn't practical application for this kind of tech in some places -- but I doubt that it has as universal applicability as the video suggests.


But there are some places like Downtown Phoenix which have become heat islands -- they could benefit greatly from this tech ... 'cept during monsoon season when the roads are awash with water.


Ha! I remember one really wet monsoon season in the Tucson foothills. After a really hard rain one afternoon, there was so much water in the ground that it drove the tarantulas out of their nests -- they headed for the high ground -- the roads. Never saw anything like it -- the roads were literally crawling with spiders ... Really slick and almost impossible to drive anywhere ... better than a snow day!

I think that, more than anything, these are concepts that need to have all the bugs ironed out. It's going to take a while. Certainly not within the next 20 years.

Technology isn't always the answer. It's interesting to visit Taos Pueblo in New Mexico. They have no electricity -- the running water is a stream/river running through the Pueblo. The winters are very cold and the summers are very hot.

They designed their houses out of [mostly] straw and mud with walls and ceilings 6 feet thick. Windows are very small and there are few doorways. The houses are situated to minimize or maximize the rays of the sun depending on the season. A small fire will heat the whole house in the winter. The construction will maintain comfortable interior temperatures regardless of outside conditions.

Here's a mor modern version of an adobe house.


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